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Hevosmies

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Where did you hear that Moses turned a stick into a snake?
Exodus 7:15 Get thee unto Pharaoh in the morning; lo, he goeth out unto the water; and thou shalt stand by the river's brink against he come; and the rod which was turned to a serpent shalt thou take in thine hand.
 

Zmouth

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Exodus 7:15 Get thee unto Pharaoh in the morning; lo, he goeth out unto the water; and thou shalt stand by the river's brink against he come; and the rod which was turned to a serpent shalt thou take in thine hand.
A rod is not a stick, and a serpent is not a snake. They are symbolic.
 

jb

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The days of signs and wonders are over...
Completely Untrue!

So God is the Great I Was and today doesn't do miracles and the Devil is the great I am who does!

What you're putting forward here is almost blasphemy!

The gifts of the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ working through His Body, the Church, to meet the needs of a needy Church and world. The Lord Jesus today is completely shut out of many Churches here in the West simply because of the Lie, that the gifts of the Spirit disappeared at the end of the 1st Century and aren't needed because it has the Scripture canon.

Scripture clearly teaches that the gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit are available throughout the whole of the age of Grace, right up until the Second Coming of Christ, and especially during the last three and a half years of the age, the period known as The Great Tribulation, when the mystery of iniquity will work fully and there will be a great deluge of evil into the world and the occult manifestations greatly increased. Dan 8v23,24, 11v32,36, 12v1,7, Matt 24v12,15-24, Acts 2v16-21,38,39, 1Cor 12v7-11,28, Eph 4v7-16, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 11v3-6, Rev 13 (all).
 

Nehemiah6

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What you're putting forward here is almost blasphemy!
No it is not. Read and study Counterfeit Miracles by B.B. Warfield and learn the truth.

"...How long did this state of things continue? It was the characterizing peculiarity of specifically the Apostolic Church, and it belonged therefore exclusively to the Apostolic age—although no doubt this designation may be taken with some latitude. These gifts were not the possession of the primitive Christian as such; nor for that matter of the Apostolic Church or the Apostolic age for themselves; they were distinctively the authentication of the Apostles. They were part of the credentials of the Apostles as the authoritative agents of God in founding the church. Their function thus confined them to distinctively the Apostolic Church, and they necessarily passed away with it.

Of this we may make sure on the ground both of principle and of fact; that is to say both under the guidance of the New Testament teaching as to their origin and nature, and on the credit of the testimony of later ages as to their cessation. But I shall not stop at this point to adduce the proof of this. It will be sufficiently intimated in the criticism which I purpose to make of certain opposing opinions which have been current among students of the subject. My design is to state and examine the chief views which have been held favorable to the continuance of the charismata beyond the Apostolic age. In the process of this examination occasion will offer for noting whatever is needful to convince us that the possession of the charismata was confined to the Apostolic age..."

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/warfield/warfield_counterfeit.html#one
 

1ofthem

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#66
I listen to ex devil agent, ex shaman that convert, 2 of them are the my friend. They say the power from the devil is not free. You will sorry if you use they power.

One of my friend, before he repent, he able to read a letter in the envelope from other room.

But the devil demand a lot of sacrifice, not worthy.

You will lost you soul.

It not make you happy. It make people respect you, but not make you happy. Yes in the Bible say antichrist will use that kind of miracle, he call the fire from heaven, to impress people how powerfull he is.

In the Bible God use miracle to attract people, to make people believe in Him and save.

Devil use miracle to attract people to believe and work for him and go to hell with him

God use miracle to save people

Devil use miracle to kill people
The Devil is not always that easy to pin down. He comes at different people in different ways. Like I stated in my other post sometimes he can appear to others as an angel of the light. He is out to steal, kill, and destroy the soul. He does this by misleading people in anyway he can and like I said he appeals to the person personally. He's not always going to just show his hand, that he is the devil...That's why we need to use the Word and Spirit of God for discernment.
 

1ofthem

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The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "When Pharaoh says to you, 'Perform a miracle,' then say to Aaron, 'Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,' and it will become a snake." So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts. (Exodus 7:8-11)
 

jb

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No it is not. Read and study Counterfeit Miracles by B.B. Warfield and learn the truth.

"...How long did this state of things continue? It was the characterizing peculiarity of specifically the Apostolic Church, and it belonged therefore exclusively to the Apostolic age—although no doubt this designation may be taken with some latitude. These gifts were not the possession of the primitive Christian as such; nor for that matter of the Apostolic Church or the Apostolic age for themselves; they were distinctively the authentication of the Apostles. They were part of the credentials of the Apostles as the authoritative agents of God in founding the church. Their function thus confined them to distinctively the Apostolic Church, and they necessarily passed away with it.

Of this we may make sure on the ground both of principle and of fact; that is to say both under the guidance of the New Testament teaching as to their origin and nature, and on the credit of the testimony of later ages as to their cessation. But I shall not stop at this point to adduce the proof of this. It will be sufficiently intimated in the criticism which I purpose to make of certain opposing opinions which have been current among students of the subject. My design is to state and examine the chief views which have been held favorable to the continuance of the charismata beyond the Apostolic age. In the process of this examination occasion will offer for noting whatever is needful to convince us that the possession of the charismata was confined to the Apostolic age..."

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/warfield/warfield_counterfeit.html#one
Try studying the Scriptures on this subject instead of regurgitating the writings of a spiritually blind unbelieving Pharisee! Psalm 78v41,Matt 15v1-20.

Ascribing the gifts and miracles of God, the Holy Spirit, to the Devil is a very serious sin! Mark 3v28-30.
 

Zmouth

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#70
Uhh..

What exactly are they symbolic of, if thats the case?
For one, a snake is not a beast, it is a creeping thing.

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Gen 3:1

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Gen 1:24

Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination Lev 11:42

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. Titus 1:12

As far as what they symbolic for is liken to the symbolic language used in Matthew 7:6 wherein it is written, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
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(See: Gal 6:4)
 

Jackson123

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The Devil is not always that easy to pin down. He comes at different people in different ways. Like I stated in my other post sometimes he can appear to others as an angel of the light. He is out to steal, kill, and destroy the soul. He does this by misleading people in anyway he can and like I said he appeals to the person personally. He's not always going to just show his hand, that he is the devil...That's why we need to use the Word and Spirit of God for discernment.
Yep, some people think shaman pray to God. They helping people, heal the sick, it was no insurance for the poor, doctor was too expensive for us, so people go to witch doctor, they think he pray to God.

In the last few years, government have a free doctor for poor, it may change.

Not all witch doctor are good. Some are fake.
 

Zmouth

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As long as it is a witch doctor.:cool:
A least someone caught the play on words. But regardless of which doctor, even the witch doctor, it is the truth that heals us not the doctor, but we receive the truth by receiving the doctor who treats us. (Proverbs 23:23)

While they are no longer given the credit for the treatment of malaria, medical researchers learned from the witch doctors indigenous to the area where the Panama Canal was being constructed that the fatal infection was the result of mosquitoes infected with the parasite which was resulting in the death of almost 10% of the workers on the Panama Canal in 1905. And not only did they learn what caused the deadly infection but that the witch doctors used the bark of the cinchona tree to successfully treat the indigenous people who became infected by the mosquitoes carrying the parasite. The bark of the cinchona tree contains quinine which effectively cure yellow fever and malaria.
 

Jackson123

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A least someone caught the play on words. But regardless of which doctor, even the witch doctor, it is the truth that heals us not the doctor, but we receive the truth by receiving the doctor who treats us. (Proverbs 23:23)

While they are no longer given the credit for the treatment of malaria, medical researchers learned from the witch doctors indigenous to the area where the Panama Canal was being constructed that the fatal infection was the result of mosquitoes infected with the parasite which was resulting in the death of almost 10% of the workers on the Panama Canal in 1905. And not only did they learn what caused the deadly infection but that the witch doctors used the bark of the cinchona tree to successfully treat the indigenous people who became infected by the mosquitoes carrying the parasite. The bark of the cinchona tree contains quinine which effectively cure yellow fever and malaria.
 

Jackson123

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A least someone caught the play on words. But regardless of which doctor, even the witch doctor, it is the truth that heals us not the doctor, but we receive the truth by receiving the doctor who treats us. (Proverbs 23:23)

While they are no longer given the credit for the treatment of malaria, medical researchers learned from the witch doctors indigenous to the area where the Panama Canal was being constructed that the fatal infection was the result of mosquitoes infected with the parasite which was resulting in the death of almost 10% of the workers on the Panama Canal in 1905. And not only did they learn what caused the deadly infection but that the witch doctors used the bark of the cinchona tree to successfully treat the indigenous people who became infected by the mosquitoes carrying the parasite. The bark of the cinchona tree contains quinine which effectively cure yellow fever and malaria.
We do not know how witch doctor learn about quinine

There is a Chinese tradition to ask to the spirit for medical prescription


This video show how Chinese ask Spirit for medical prescription.

You see the boy shake a Bamboo till one of them falls, that bamboo has a number. Say number 9, you tell to Chinese drug store ask prescription number 9.

You may think it is stupid, it is random. Some time devil work that way.

My grandpa was itchy, he went to the doctor, not work, then he went to Chinese temple ask prescription to the spirit. Then we went to Chinese drug store, he ask the store owner infront of me to convince me that the spirit not make mistake.

What is this drug for

Store owner say, this is for ifchy.

Do not ask Spirit, it is devil, but yes devil know about medication.
 

jb

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You display your ignorance right here.
Those who (like yourself) insist that spiritual gifts and spiritual ministries have ceased and are not for today, must, if they (you) are to be consistent, insist that God has removed them all, and not just some of them. If they (you) really believe that spiritual gifts are not for today, how is it that they (you) pray for Divine healing? For this is a gift of healing. How is it that they (you) pray for illumination upon a problem, or guidance from God? For this is a word of wisdom. How is it that they (you) pray for ministers of the Gospel to receive the Holy Spirit's anointing? and for Satan's power to be lifted off people? and for people to be blessed? For these are the operations of the gift of faith. How is it that they (you) pray for material needs to be met? For this is the province of the working of miracles. How is it that they (you) pray for a revelation of God to the soul? For this is a discerning of spirits. How is it that they (you) pray for an inspired utterance from God to help others? For this is the realm of prophecy. How is it that they (you) pray for the Holy Spirit to inspire them in prayer? and then reject the gift of tongues, which is the Divine answer to this request. It is a fact that Christians who say that spiritual gifts have ceased to operate in the Church, actually pray for their manifestation. Those who reject spiritual gifts completely, have in reality tried to remove God's influence from His Church, and put it in the hands of men. We must accept that God has decreed that we need these gifts, and not frustrate the wise and loving reasons for their manifestation.

Who really display's their ignorance?
 

Jackson123

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Those who (like yourself) insist that spiritual gifts and spiritual ministries have ceased and are not for today, must, if they (you) are to be consistent, insist that God has removed them all, and not just some of them. If they (you) really believe that spiritual gifts are not for today, how is it that they (you) pray for Divine healing? For this is a gift of healing. How is it that they (you) pray for illumination upon a problem, or guidance from God? For this is a word of wisdom. How is it that they (you) pray for ministers of the Gospel to receive the Holy Spirit's anointing? and for Satan's power to be lifted off people? and for people to be blessed? For these are the operations of the gift of faith. How is it that they (you) pray for material needs to be met? For this is the province of the working of miracles. How is it that they (you) pray for a revelation of God to the soul? For this is a discerning of spirits. How is it that they (you) pray for an inspired utterance from God to help others? For this is the realm of prophecy. How is it that they (you) pray for the Holy Spirit to inspire them in prayer? and then reject the gift of tongues, which is the Divine answer to this request. It is a fact that Christians who say that spiritual gifts have ceased to operate in the Church, actually pray for their manifestation. Those who reject spiritual gifts completely, have in reality tried to remove God's influence from His Church, and put it in the hands of men. We must accept that God has decreed that we need these gifts, and not frustrate the wise and loving reasons for their manifestation.

Who really display's their ignorance?
Yes the spiritual gift is still happen today. A Lot of testimonies people all over the world come to the Lord because miracle.