Is unconditional election biblical?

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

not one person has stated atonement is universal

listen to Jesus here:

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. John 3:16

everyone seems to be a word that is not understood by some

it says everyone WHO BELIEVES


the only people here saying anything about universalism, which actually is heresy, are the Calvinists who are sadly and too often trying to make false claims stick about what non-Calvinists believe

The opposite of limited atonement is universal atonement, correct?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

not one person has stated atonement is universal

listen to Jesus here:

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. John 3:16

everyone seems to be a word that is not understood by some

it says everyone WHO BELIEVES


the only people here saying anything about universalism, which actually is heresy, are the Calvinists who are sadly and too often trying to make false claims stick about what non-Calvinists believe

What is universal atonement?
by Matt Slick

Universal atonement is the teaching within non-Reformed theology which states that Jesus bore the sin of every individual who ever lived, and that he died for that sin on the cross. Therefore, the atonement is universal in that it paid the price of redemption for everyone. The argument used to support universal atonement is found in such verses as John 3:16 which says that "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever would believe in him would never perish but have everlasting life." Here, the word world is interpreted to mean every individual who has ever lived. Likewise, 1 John 2:2states "He is the propitiation not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world." Again, the word world is interpreted to mean every individual who has ever lived.
However, even though Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived, not everyone receives Christ. So, as salvation is a free gift (Romans 6:23), and gifts must be received, those who do not receive the gift do not benefit from the atonement. Therefore, Jesus could atone for everyone who ever lived but it is up to the individual to receive, by faith, that atonement so as to appropriate it to himself.


The extent of the atonement is debated within Christianity. The Reformed camp teaches limited atonement, which is the doctrine that Christ only bore the sins of those whom God had predestined to salvation. Non-Reformed Christians hold to the universal atonement theory.
We should be careful not to pass judgment on debatable issues. This is a debatable issue, and both views (Reformed and non-Reformed) are within orthodoxy. As Romans 14:5 tells us, each person must be convinced in his own mind. This tells us that we ought to study the word of God and make up our own minds regarding this issue. Furthermore, we are not to condemn our Christian brothers and sisters who do not agree with us in this area.


https://carm.org/what-is-universal-atonement

 

[7seasrekeyed]

IF there is no sin in the world then EVERYONE is saved. With or without belief in Christ. We know this is not the case.

OBVIOUSLY, The Lamb of God has taken away the sin of all who believe in Him, in the world.


People who don't believe in Christ don't have their sins taken away.


How is this not obvious to you??? (And to your commentary?)

your understanding is really skewed

no one said a thing about universalism

I have seen you do this universalism red herring thing over and over

it stinketh

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

And unlimited atonement won’t work for a description, either. As the atonement is limited in its application.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The opposite of limited atonement is universal atonement, correct?

LOL!

get real

YOU Calvinists claim limited atonement

WE claim ALL WHO BELIEVE, in Jesus's own words, atonement

quit the red herring garbage you people love to use

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

LOL!

get real

YOU Calvinists claim limited atonement

WE claim ALL WHO BELIEVE, in Jesus's own words, atonement

quit the red herring garbage you people love to use

We don’t claim it, the Bible avers it.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

LOL!

get real

YOU Calvinists claim limited atonement

WE claim ALL WHO BELIEVE, in Jesus's own words, atonement

quit the red herring garbage you people love to use

So, then the atonement is limited. You believe in limited atonement, too!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What is universal atonement?
by Matt Slick

Universal atonement is the teaching within non-Reformed theology which states that Jesus bore the sin of every individual who ever lived, and that he died for that sin on the cross. Therefore, the atonement is universal in that it paid the price of redemption for everyone. The argument used to support universal atonement is found in such verses as John 3:16 which says that "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever would believe in him would never perish but have everlasting life." Here, the word world is interpreted to mean every individual who has ever lived. Likewise, 1 John 2:2states "He is the propitiation not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world." Again, the word world is interpreted to mean every individual who has ever lived.
However, even though Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived, not everyone receives Christ. So, as salvation is a free gift (Romans 6:23), and gifts must be received, those who do not receive the gift do not benefit from the atonement. Therefore, Jesus could atone for everyone who ever lived but it is up to the individual to receive, by faith, that atonement so as to appropriate it to himself.


The extent of the atonement is debated within Christianity. The Reformed camp teaches limited atonement, which is the doctrine that Christ only bore the sins of those whom God had predestined to salvation. Non-Reformed Christians hold to the universal atonement theory.
We should be careful not to pass judgment on debatable issues. This is a debatable issue, and both views (Reformed and non-Reformed) are within orthodoxy. As Romans 14:5 tells us, each person must be convinced in his own mind. This tells us that we ought to study the word of God and make up our own minds regarding this issue. Furthermore, we are not to condemn our Christian brothers and sisters who do not agree with us in this area.


https://carm.org/what-is-universal-atonement

are you promoting this now?

I am wondering, because only you Calvinists keep bringing it up

you are in conflict with Jesus Himself as He said anyone who belives in Him

Calvinists are going to be very disappointed to see non limited with Christ

such a stupid stupid arguement to keep saying this nonsense about a heretical belief that you dudes really know we are not promoting

if we were promoting that, we would all be banned as this site considers universalism a heresy and it is

grow up

 

[7seasrekeyed]

We don’t claim it, the Bible avers it.

no that's not true

you are promoting Calvinism

Calvin the intolerant promoted your doctrine

not the Bible

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

are you promoting this now?

I am wondering, because only you Calvinists keep bringing it up

you are in conflict with Jesus Himself as He said anyone who belives in Him

Calvinists are going to be very disappointed to see non limited with Christ

such a stupid stupid arguement to keep saying this nonsense about a heretical belief that you dudes really know we are not promoting

if we were promoting that, we would all be banned as this site considers universalism a heresy and it is

grow up

No. You are the ones promoting it. The atonement is limited to believers.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So, then the atonement is limited. You believe in limited atonement, too!

answer a fool according to his folly

answer not a fool according to his folly

I believe in Jesus and He said whosoever

He did not quote Calvin and Calvin does not quote Jesus

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

are you promoting this now?

I am wondering, because only you Calvinists keep bringing it up

you are in conflict with Jesus Himself as He said anyone who belives in Him

Calvinists are going to be very disappointed to see non limited with Christ

such a stupid stupid arguement to keep saying this nonsense about a heretical belief that you dudes really know we are not promoting

if we were promoting that, we would all be banned as this site considers universalism a heresy and it is

grow up

Your side of this debate said that the Christ’s death was for everyone. The death, the shedding of His blood, is what gave us the atonement. If He died for everybody, then He atoned for everybody. Ergo, an unlimited/universal atonement.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

are you promoting this now?

I am wondering, because only you Calvinists keep bringing it up

you are in conflict with Jesus Himself as He said anyone who belives in Him

Calvinists are going to be very disappointed to see non limited with Christ

such a stupid stupid arguement to keep saying this nonsense about a heretical belief that you dudes really know we are not promoting

if we were promoting that, we would all be banned as this site considers universalism a heresy and it is

grow up

Grow up? Srsly? Wow!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No. You are the ones promoting it. The atonement is limited to believers.

LOL!

you WISH we were promoting it so you could get us banned

 

[7seasrekeyed]

the same red herring nonsense over and over

get a life

no one is promoting universalism

that's a lie and you need to stop doing that

although it does pretty much illustrate how a Calvinist behaves when they want to win

they simply lie

thing is, no one is winning here and again the gospel is left in limbo while lies are spouted

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

no that's not true

you are promoting Calvinism

Calvin the intolerant promoted your doctrine

not the Bible

“I am the good Shepherd. The Shepherd gives His life(the atonement) for the sheep”.[John 10:11, John 10:15]

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

answer a fool according to his folly

answer not a fool according to his folly

I believe in Jesus and He said whosoever

He did not quote Calvin and Calvin does not quote Jesus

You’re backpedaling here. The atonement is limited to believers, right?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

“I am the good Shepherd. The Shepherd gives His life(the atonement) for the sheep”.[John 10:11, John 10:15]

I won't disagree with scripture but it does not promote your beliefs

in fact, is disallows for Calvins' false doctrines

you are really cringeworthy with the way you attack over and over with the same lies

done with it

people know better

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

the same red herring nonsense over and over

get a life

no one is promoting universalism

that's a lie and you need to stop doing that

although it does pretty much illustrate how a Calvinist behaves when they want to win

they simply lie

thing is, no one is winning here and again the gospel is left in limbo while lies are spouted

Another name for unlimited atonement is universal atonement. I didn’t make this term up. Look it up for yourself. These insults coming from you need to stop. I am not insulting you nor am I lying and mispresenting your beliefs. Another falsehood.

If you believe the Christ died for everybody w/o exception, you hold to universal atonement. Please look this up for yourself.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I won't disagree with scripture but it does not promote your beliefs

in fact, is disallows for Calvins' false doctrines

you are really cringeworthy with the way you attack over and over with the same lies

done with it

people know better

Where have I lied? I have not told you one.

The Christ said He gives His life for the sheep. In Matthew 25, sheep and goats are judged, so obviously not everyone is a sheep. So, then He didn’t give His for everybody w/o exception, but for the sheep.