It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[notuptome]

The ones that are "in the kingdom", "in Christ" is the group Christian. As long as one remains in that group he will for a fact be saved. Yet one can fall from that saved group and be lost. That group is still saved yet that person is just no longer part of the saved group.

Frankly this is an absurd contention. We are not in Christ by our own will. We are in Christ by the determinate divine will of God. God can do anything but fail. We are His possession.

As long as you rely on your strength you can do nothing but fail.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

You misuse Isa 64:6 for obeying Gods will is not filthy rags, see Isa 64:5 where God meets/entreats/helps those that WORK RIGHTEOUSNESS.[/unquote]

"For from of old men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither has the eye seen a God besides thee, who works for him who waits for him. You meet him who rejoices and works righteousness, those who remember you in your ways. Behold, you were wroth, and we sinned: in them have we been of long time; and shall we be saved? For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. And there is none who calls upon thy name, who stirs up himself to take hold of you; for you have hid your face from us and have consumed us by means of our iniquities."

You call attention to the positive statement:
"You meet him who rejoices and works righteousness, those who remember you in your ways."

Is this hypothetical in view of the statement that none calls upon thy name?

There is the principle. But the we in the passage does not qualify.
The "we" sinned. Is it fair to say the "we" has been in sin from long ago?
We fade;
We have iniquities,
We are taken away by iniquities.
None calls on His name.
The "we" has been consumed by reason of "our" iniquities.

Which side will you claim?
That of the Pharisee who bragged on his righteousness?
Or that of the publican who cried out, "God be merciful to me a sinner"?

Come ye sinners,
Tired and weary,
Weak and wounded,
Sick and sore;
If you tarry till your better,
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous, not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.

Consider the Word of God:

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,

1 John 5:10-12
He who believes on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life,and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.

Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.

John 15:9
And God, who knows the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

If obeying God's will is filthy rags then YOU are rewriting the following verses by substituting "filthy rags" for odedience to God:

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he filthy rags by the things which he suffered;

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that have filthy rags

2 Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that have no filthy rags

 

[SeaBass]

Heb 6:9 exposes your false interpretation !

You are straining to force eternal security into Heb 6:9 when it is not there. Not only that, you are ignoring all the admonishments/warnings the Hebrew writer is giving those Christians Jews about falling away, Heb 2:1-3; Heb 3:12-15; Heb 4:1,11; Heb 6:4-6

 

[SeaBass]

That's the Church !

Rewriting the bible for no reason other than to promote man-made false doctrines.

 

[SeaBass]

What scripture says that ? Those Christ died for never had sin charged to them 2 Cor 5:19 !

1 Jn 1:9 Can a Christian NOT confess his sins but God forgives those sins anyway?

 

[SeaBass]

They believe that future sins are forgiven when you are born again that is the basis of ES I have never gotten any response to these two verses. But I guess they will come up with some antecedent or whatever

• Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

1 Jn 1:7,9 present and future sins are NOT cleansed away/forgiven if the Christian does not sustained his walking in the light/confessing his sins.

They are:

1) trying to get around these obedient WORKS (walking/confessing) that are necessary to maintain/sustain/keep the promise of salvation.

2) trying to get around both these CONDITIONAL verses (1 Jn 1:7,9) that use "IF" which makes salvation CONDITIONAL not unconditional as ES falsely makes it.

 

[SeaBass]

Please you tell us, I know this:
1 John 2

New International Version (NIV)


2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

But if ES were true, then why does a Christian need an advocate for?

 

[SeaBass]

If one casts aside to beleive, then one had never come to full term, the cocoon they were in to become that new person was destroyed and they never were transferred from a worm to a butterfly. On their way yes, not there yet, and is why god has said to stand in the Faith, and therefore stand

So if a Christian sins, he was never really saved to begin with?

 

[SeaBass]

How many sins did Christ go to the cross for? All or just a few?
How many are left for you?
Is there any forgiveness ever without the shedding of blood in the First or the second Testaments?
Any and every time you ask God for more forgiveness, is God going to come down and die again on a cross and shed his blood some more, as if God's sacrifice for you was not enough?

Christ went to the cross for everyone's sins, all sin......so does that mean will every one be unconditionally saved?

 

[Atwood]

Originally Posted byAtwoodJOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life,even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I sayin whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption ofGod’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.

Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved

1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.

Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.

John 6:47

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life.

Doing GOD's righteousness in not filthy rags, Isa 64;5, Acts 10:35.

"There is none who does good, no not one." Romans

You CONTINUE to misuse, abuse Isa 64:6.

Have you yet taken it to heart, how all your phony righteousnesses are as filthy rags? Once you do that, you will understand why you must be saved by grace.

[/quote]Can one "trust" Jesus yet NOT obey what Jesus said, Lk 6:46? NO![/quote]

Luke 6:46 does not negate the fact that men may receive the free gift of eternal life, have themselves completely cleansed, yet stumble in many ways and need foot-washing.

Jesus said to believe, jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and be baptized, Mk 16:16 to be saved.

Believe = trust the Lord Jesus (not your works).
Repent = change mind from non-trust to trust (same thing).

Confess before men: Your Luke passage doesn't mention the word save or eternal life. Stick to passages which are definitely about salvation. Confess before men cannot be an essential act for salvation, because 1) salvation is often offered just for believing / faith and 2) confessing before men is a work; and works do not save. "Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Confess Rom 10:9-13 (go through 13, don't stop at 10)
Confess = homologeo (homo = same; log- = saying). Saying the same thing is agreeing. When one trusts Christ as savior, one must AGREE with the Lord about Who the Lord Jesus is. Jesús the Mexican mechanic cannot save you and trusting him does no good; neither is it salvific to trust Michael the Archangel. Lord in context refers to YHWH, as Rom 10:13 proves, since it quote the OT applying YHWH to Jesus; Whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved. Thus to be saved, the only requirement is faith in the Savior, but the Savior must be real, not a figment of the imagination or an idol. One must trust the Jesus who is YHWH, God become man, risen from the dead.

Be baptized.
1) The very rare verses that mention baptized in this context, do not mention water.
2) "baptized" is not something men do, it is something done to them; they are passive.
3) Being baptized into Christ (as opposed to into water) in Rom 6 places the believer into Christ and thus make his Old Man co-crucified with Christ. All believers are baptized with the Spirit (1 Cor 12:13)
4) Since salvation is offered over and over just for belief / faith, baptism cannot be an essential act by man for his salvation. If it were, it would be a work, which cannot save.

Lk 13:3,5; Mt 10:32,33; Mk 16:16; Rom 10:9,10; Acts 2:38 are other salvic verses some people tend to ignore.

None of these verses indicates that man is saved by works and not by faith in Christ.

 

[SeaBass]

peaceful



That's not scriptural ! Col 2:13-14

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

You are creating contradictions between 1 Jn 1:7,9 and Col 2:12,13.

Col 2:12,13;

12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses.


How were they made alive, have a new life, walk in newness of life? By being buried in baptism of verse 12 where all the sins a person has committed in the past are washed away by the blood of Christ. Back when those Colossian's sins were all washed away by the blood of Christ was when they were water baptized and as long as they continue to walk in the light/confess their sins, Christ's blood continues to cleanse away all future sins they commit.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

But if you repented of the life you were living, that was coming as a sinner, an implicit confession of sin. Was it not implying that you judged your whole life as sinful? Your sins after being born again must be covered by the atonement of Christ, or you could not have eternal life. There is no limitation of forgiveness to sins done before being saved.

Then you can tell me why God inspired John to write 1 John 1:9? Correct there is no limitation of forgiveness of sins done before being saved . . . I believe that I was speaking of those after being saved. "Now, what do I do with the sins I commit after being born again? 1 John 1:9 makes provision for that or else why would it even be written? And yes, it does restore my fellowship with the Father and the Son."

Yes, the context is chastisement for not discerning the Lord's body (that is, eating and drinking as if it were merely food). I am at a loss as to how you get "healing" into it. BTW, the word translated "stripes," is singular and refers to the terrible bruising of Christ's body on the cross.

Well, apparently it has something to do with 'healing' since many were 'weak and sickly among them'.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him and with his stripes we are healed. We are to discern that the blood was shed for remission of sins and his body was bruised and beaten for our health.

You don't see the difference between the confession of sin that leads to the forgiveness that prevents being chastised, and the forgiveness for a lifetime of sins which allows the free gift of eternal life, forgiveness based on the substitutionary experience of punishment for sin, which the Lord Jesus endured on the cross?

I know that Jesus Christ paid the price for my sins and that I am forgiven of any and all sin - I don't know about you but if I flub up - I feel really bad and I have a need to have a clear conscience toward God and that comes with confession of what I have done and asking forgiveness. Maybe I am just speaking for myself?

1 Cor 3:11

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 each man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work shall abide which he built thereon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire.

The passage does not say "sin" or "sins," though you may infer that works which were burned up were sinful. The loss is loss of reward.

The reason for the appending of the lexicon on diakrino is that I found the word an interesting and edifying word study, and I appended it largely as an aside for anyone' edification.

No it doesn't say 'sin' or 'sins' but it does say 'work' and my works are either good or bad . . . . and I know what the loss is . . . .

Thanks for the word study.

 

[Atwood]

Originally Posted byAtwoodJOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life,even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I sayin whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption ofGod’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.

Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved

1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.

Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.

John 6:47

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life.

Doing GOD's righteousness in not filthy rags, Isa 64;5, Acts 10:35.

"There is none who does good, no not one." Romans

You CONTINUE to misuse, abuse Isa 64:6.

Have you yet taken it to heart, how all your phony righteousnesses are as filthy rags? Once you do that, you will understand why you must be saved by grace.

[/quote]Can one "trust" Jesus yet NOT obey what Jesus said, Lk 6:46? NO![/quote]

Luke 6:46 does not negate the fact that men may receive the free gift of eternal life, have themselves completely cleansed, yet stumble in many ways and need foot-washing.

Jesus said to believe, jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and be baptized, Mk 16:16 to be saved.

Believe = trust the Lord Jesus (not your works).
Repent = change mind from non-trust to trust (same thing).

Confess before men: Your Luke passage doesn't mention the word save or eternal life. Stick to passages which are definitely about salvation. Confess before men cannot be an essential act for salvation, because 1) salvation is often offered just for believing / faith and 2) confessing before men is a work; and works do not save. "Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Confess Rom 10:9-13 (go through 13, don't stop at 10)
Confess = homologeo (homo = same; log- = saying). Saying the same thing is agreeing. When one trusts Christ as savior, one must AGREE with the Lord about Who the Lord Jesus is. Jesús the Mexican mechanic cannot save you and trusting him does no good; neither is it salvific to trust Michael the Archangel. Lord in context refers to YHWH, as Rom 10:13 proves, since it quote the OT applying YHWH to Jesus; Whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved. Thus to be saved, the only requirement is faith in the Savior, but the Savior must be real, not a figment of the imagination or an idol. One must trust the Jesus who is YHWH, God become man, risen from the dead.

Be baptized.
1) The very rare verses that mention baptized in this context, do not mention water.
2) "baptized" is not something men do, it is something done to them; they are passive.
3) Being baptized into Christ (as opposed to into water) in Rom 6 places the believer into Christ and thus make his Old Man co-crucified with Christ. All believers are baptized with the Spirit (1 Cor 12:13)
4) Since salvation is offered over and over just for belief / faith, baptism cannot be an essential act by man for his salvation. If it were, it would be a work, which cannot save.

Lk 13:3,5; Mt 10:32,33; Mk 16:16; Rom 10:9,10; Acts 2:38 are other salvic verses some people tend to ignore.

None of these verses indicates that man is saved by works and not by faith in Christ.

 

[Atwood]

"There is none who does good, no not one." Romans



Have you yet taken it to heart, how all your phony righteousnesses are as filthy rags? Once you do that, you will understand why you must be saved by grace.

Can one "trust" Jesus yet NOT obey what Jesus said, Lk 6:46? NO!

Luke 6:46 does not negate the fact that men may receive the free gift of eternal life, have themselves completely cleansed, yet stumble in many ways and need foot-washing.



Believe = trust the Lord Jesus (not your works).
Repent = change mind from non-trust to trust (same thing).

Confess before men: Your Luke passage doesn't mention the word save or eternal life. Stick to passages which are definitely about salvation. Confess before men cannot be an essential act for salvation, because 1) salvation is often offered just for believing / faith and 2) confessing before men is a work; and works do not save. "Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Confess Rom 10:9-13 (go through 13, don't stop at 10)
Confess = homologeo (homo = same; log- = saying). Saying the same thing is agreeing. When one trusts Christ as savior, one must AGREE with the Lord about Who the Lord Jesus is. Jesús the Mexican mechanic cannot save you and trusting him does no good; neither is it salvific to trust Michael the Archangel. Lord in context refers to YHWH, as Rom 10:13 proves, since it quote the OT applying YHWH to Jesus; Whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved. Thus to be saved, the only requirement is faith in the Savior, but the Savior must be real, not a figment of the imagination or an idol. One must trust the Jesus who is YHWH, God become man, risen from the dead.

Be baptized.
1) The very rare verses that mention baptized in this context, do not mention water.
2) "baptized" is not something men do, it is something done to them; they are passive.
3) Being baptized into Christ (as opposed to into water) in Rom 6 places the believer into Christ and thus make his Old Man co-crucified with Christ. All believers are baptized with the Spirit (1 Cor 12:13)
4) Since salvation is offered over and over just for belief / faith, baptism cannot be an essential act by man for his salvation. If it were, it would be a work, which cannot save.


None of these verses indicates that man is saved by works and not by faith in Christ.


Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[SeaBass]

Actually people in the church, that are not yet saved and do not know what God has done for them in depth as in Eph. 3:16-18

The church is made up of the saved.

 

[newbirth]

[/COLOR]
But if you repented of the life you were living, that was coming as a sinner, an implicit confession of sin. Was it not implying that you judged your whole life as sinful? Your sins after being born again must be covered by the atonement of Christ, or you could not have eternal life. There is no limitation of forgiveness to sins done before being saved.



Yes, the context is chastisement for not discerning the Lord's body (that is, eating and drinking as if it were merely food). I am at a loss as to how you get "healing" into it. BTW, the word translated "stripes," is singular and refers to the terrible bruising of Christ's body on the cross.

You don't see the difference between the confession of sin that leads to the forgiveness that prevents being chastised, and the forgiveness for a lifetime of sins which allows the free gift of eternal life, forgiveness based on the substitutionary experience of punishment for sin, which the Lord Jesus endured on the cross?

You were doing great until this. When you were baptised in Christ by faith you became dead and was resurrected in newness of life. Since sin only have power over the living you being dead it has no power over you. But we are still in the flesh so God gave us the power to say no to sin while we are in the body but it is a learning process. The whole idea is while we are in this body we represent God on earth.They were called Christians because they emulated Christ. Even so we ought to walk like Christ. We are not to be servants of sin but rather servants of righteousness (doing what is right just like Christ) If the old man is dead why would you want to revive him for a lifetime of sins to be forgiven he is dead.Walk in newness of life by following the spirit of God in you.God has given us the power and all the instructions to accomplish this.He even makes provisions for if we sin.But if you continue sinning it means you are obedient to the flesh.But if you continue in righteousness you are obedient to the spirit .

1 Cor 3:

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 each man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work shall abide which he built thereon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire.

The passage does not say "sin" or "sins," though you may infer that works which were burned up were sinful. The loss is loss of reward.

The reason for the appending of the lexicon on diakrino is that I found the word an interesting and edifying word study, and I appended it largely as an aside for anyone' edification.

Read the whole chapter Paul is talking about divisions in the church it's about converts

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord
Romans 6:13-15
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2 Pet 1
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[SeaBass]

All predictions and law is fulfilled, past tense when it comes to Son's finished work John 19:30 for you, yes yes and yes

When Jesus said "it is finished", what was finished was the law of Moses, Col 2:14; the work of His personal teaching here on earth, His atonement for the sins of mankind but man is still to work out his salvation, obey Christ, Phil 2:12; Heb 5:9. Christ "finished" some things on his cross but man's work was NOT one of those things.

 

[SeaBass]

To Deny Eternal Security is to Deny the Power of God 1 Pet 1:4-5

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Yes that is satanic !

I have not seen anyone that denies 1 Pet 1:5. I have seen yourself and others try and force ES into this verse when it is not there. The verse does NOT say "kept by the power of God unconditionally" as some wish it would have said.

 

[SeaBass]

Frankly this is an absurd contention. We are not in Christ by our own will. We are in Christ by the determinate divine will of God. God can do anything but fail. We are His possession.

As long as you rely on your strength you can do nothing but fail.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

People of their own will choose to obey the gospel and are placed in the kingdom by God.

God does not choose for man which men will or will not be in the kingdom for that idea would put fault and blame upon God for those NOT in the the kingdom.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Rom 10:9,10 are just two verses out of literally dozen of salvic verses. To find out how to be saved ALL salvic verses must be considered, not just two. Will an impenitent person be saved, Lk 13;3,5? No.

The book of Romans is a doctrinal epistle and that tells us how to be saved. I don't believe a person would even want to confess Jesus Christ as Lord without turning to him with Godly sorrow which works repentance to salvation (2 Co. 7:10).

The church at Ephesus was sealed, Eph 1:13, but look what happened to that church later in Rev 2:1-7.

The church at Ephesus was sealed - as are all the faithful in Christ Jesus. I don't claim to understand Revelation thoroughly but I don't see where the church at Ephesus was condemned - you don't know if they repented or not - scripture does not say in that context. Why do you assume that people who believe OSAS never repent nor ever ask forgiveness?

In the context of 1 Cor 3 the "works" Paul speaks of are converts...if one's convert is burned up/lost on the day of judgment, the one that made that convert will not be lost if he has remained faithful. On the other hand it one's convert is saved on judgment day, then the one that made that convert will received a reward.

So someone that I convert is a 'work' on my part? I consider it a joy and privilege to assist someone becoming saved. I am responsible for someone's growth and walk? Did you forget = someone waters and it is God that gives the increase?
My foundation is Christ - whatever I build upon that will be made manifest. Wherefore we labour (work) that whether present or absent we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. (2 Co. 5:9,10) [good = gold, silver, precious stones; bad = wood, hay, stubble]