It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[homwardbound]

Heb 6:4,5 proves that the Hebrew writer is talking about Christians, "if they (Christians) shall fall away, to renew them again..."

Actually people in the church, that are not yet saved and do not know what God has done for them in depth as in Eph. 3:16-18

 

[homwardbound]

Unfair? I was not talking about "fairness" but was speaking to the fact that somethings in the bible are in past tense even though it has not occurred based upon the certainty of God's promises.

All predictions and law is fulfilled, past tense when it comes to Son's finished work John 19:30 for you, yes yes and yes

 

[Cassian]

Tell me, those who deny eternal security, what really leads you to this denial? Is it the unwillingness to admit your own depravity and throw yourself on God's mercy and grace? Are you trying to establish your own righteousness by obedience to commandments? Consider Rom 10:

"For being ignorant of God’s righteousness and
seeking to establish their own,
they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

"And he spake also this parable to certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes to heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be merciful to me a sinner."

Trusting yourself as your "Savior" is a refusal to trust the Lord Jesus as your savior.

Your first citation has nothing to do with eternal life. It is addressing "justification by faith".

OSAS is false because it denies the purpose of God in creating man and then saving man from death and sin. God created man, Adam, good, but not perfect. It was the purpose of Adam to work with God to perfect himself as a human being. He was to attain to immortality. He failed in that vocation. The condemnation of death precluded God ever having a relationship with man for an eternity.

Christ redeems man so that man is now free to choose whether he desires to be united with Christ to work out that perfection of being a human being. Christ is our example and model of perfection. He attained perfection in His Humanity.
It is absolutely absurd to think that God grants a person eternal life security, guaranteed when He did not even create
Adam perfected.
When we are baptised into Christ, we are rebirthed into a relationship again with God. A relationship that Adam lost for man.
We take possession of eternal life as a promise IF we continue to follow Christ. If we continue to work with Him to mature, to grow into His Likness. To be conformed to His Image. He commands us to be perfect as He is perfect. God does not grant eternal life to those that will trample that gift as many do. We entered by faith, we are being saved through that same faith. If we lose faith, how can one be granted eternal life? We have it to lose it. We are under the same command as Adam. Abide in Me, or die.

Now, I know you are going to say where is my proof. Scripture. Read it. But read it without your blinders. Every Christian from the very first believer to the present will understand perfectly what I have explained. It has been the Gospel of Christ from the beginning. It has not been altered by the perversions of man such as OSAS.

 

[svedbygrace]

To Deny Eternal Security is to Deny the Power of God 1 Pet 1:4-5

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Yes that is satanic !

 

[newbirth]

To Deny Eternal Security is to Deny the Power of God 1 Pet 1:4-5

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Yes that is satanic !

That is the power He gave you to become a son of God do you deny he gave you power to become a son of God

 

[Atwood]

I do believe that future sins are forgiven if we confess them.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Don't you?

Good morning Peaceful. I can imagine someone else taking the screen name "BrassKnucklesBeliever" LOL.

Do you really think that Christians can confess all their sins? In many things we all stumble, as James says. Surely we forget many sins and leave them unconfessed. If we are given eternal life, that implies that all our sins are forgiven: past, present, and future. Verses which state that our past sins are forgiven, do not say that our future sins are unforgiven.

We need to distinguish between confession of sin (evaluating ourselves in judgment) to receive wood-shed-forgiveness vs the forgiveness of sins which is essential to obtaining eternal life. When we trust Christ as Savior, we come as sinners to a Savior and depend on Him for Salvation, which implies forgiveness. In that case we do not run a grocery list of sins by the Lord as if we needed to enumerate them to be saved; they are too many to do that. But as Christians we very specifically confess our sins to get wood-shed-forgiveness, to avoid chastisement and restore fellowship. The chastisement could even be delivery of the Christian's body to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved (1 Cor 6). This is something quite different from that forgiveness which is essential to eternal life, for there is no question of going to the Lake of Fire, only of chastisement (judgment in chastising).


1 Cor 11
For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep. But if we evaluate ourselves in judgment, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

I have translated one word in Greek (diakrino) with the phrase "evaluate in judgment," as the word means both evaluate and judge.

1 John 2 " I write unto you, my little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake."

Col 1: "the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:"

Rom 4: "Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin."

Jer 31, New Covenant:

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know YHWH; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. "

BDAG:



διακρίνωfut. διακρινῶ; 1 aor. διέκρινα LXX; impf. mid. διεκρινόμην. Pass.: fut. διακριθήσομαι LXX; 1 aor. διεκρίθην (s. κρίνω, διάκρισις; Hom.+).
1. to differentiate by separating, separate, arrange (Jos., Ant. 11, 56; Ath. 13, 2; 22, 1; Mel. P. 82, 611) of created things πάντα κατὰ τάξιν δ. effect an orderly arrangement for everything Dg 8:7. ἑαυτὸν δ. separate oneself IEph 5:3 (but the ominous tone of the context favors 3b below).
2. to conclude that there is a difference, make a distinction, differentiate (PGM 5, 103f σὺ διέκρινας τὸ δίκαιον καὶ τὸ ἄδικον; 4 Macc 1:14; Jos., Bell. 1, 27; Just., D. 20, 3; Ath. 15, 1) μεταξὺ ἡμῶν τε καὶ αὐτῶν betw. us and them Ac 15:9. τίς σε διακρίνει; who concedes you any superiority? 1 Cor 4:7 (Appian, Bell. Civ. 5, 54 §228 δ. τινά=concede superiority to someone, beside ἐπιλέγεσθαί τινα=select someone; cp. Philo, Op. M. 137 διακρίνας ἐξ ἁπάσης τὸ βέλτιστον). μηθὲν διακρίνων τίνι δῷ without distinguishing to whom he should give Hm 2:6; cp. Ac 11:12.—Pass. διακρίνεσθαί τινος be differentiated fr. someone Dg 5:1.
3. to evaluate by paying careful attention to, evaluate, judge
a. judge correctly (Job 12:11; 23:10) the appearance of the sky Mt 16:3; evaluate oneself 1 Cor 11:31; recognize τὸ σῶμα vs. 29.
b. pass judgment on w. acc. ἑαυτόν on oneself IEph 5:3 (mng. 1 is also prob.); προφήτην D 11:7; abs. 1 Cor 14:29.
4. to render a legal decision, judge, decide, legal t.t. (X., Hell. 5, 2, 10; Appian, Bell. Civ. 5, 76 §324 δίκαι διεκρίνοντο; SIG 545, 18; OGI 43, 4 and11; pap; EpArist 110; Just. A II, 7, 2) ἀνὰ μέσον τινός decide betw. pers. (as Ezk 34:17, 20) 1 Cor 6:5; s. EvDobschütz, StKr 91, 1918, 410–21 and ἀνά 1b, μέσος 1b.
5. to be at variance w. someone, mid., w. pass. aor. (B-D-F. §78)
a. because of differing judgments dispute τινί w. someone (Polyb. 2, 22, 11) Jd 9.
b. by maintaining a firm opposing position or adverse judgment take issue πρός τινα w. someone (Hdt. 9, 58, 2; Ezk 20:35f; Jo 4:2) Ac 11:2 (=criticize).
6. to be uncertain, be at odds w. oneself, doubt, waver (this mng. appears first in NT; with no dependence on the NT, e.g., Cyril of Scyth. p. 52, 17; 80, 10; 174, 7) Mt 21:21; Mk 11:23; Ro 14:23; Jd 22. ἐν ἑαυτῷ in one’s own mind Lk 11:38 D; Js 2:4; GJs 11:2. W. εἰς Ro 4:20 μηδὲν διακρινόμενος without any doubting Js 1:6; hesitate Ac 10:20.—DELG s.v. κρίνω. M-M. TW.

 

[newbirth]

Tell me, those who deny eternal security, what really leads you to this denial? Is it the unwillingness to admit your own depravity and throw yourself on God's mercy and grace? Are you trying to establish your own righteousness by obedience to commandments? Consider Rom 10:

Do you love Christ.Are you denying Christ said to keep his commandments. yes or no? we are not talking Moses law here Christ commands will you keep them yes or no?

• John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
  • John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    [h=3]1 John 2:5-7[SUP]
    5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.[/h]
    
  
  
  

"For being ignorant of God’s righteousness and
seeking to establish their own,
they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

"And he spake also this parable to certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes to heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be merciful to me a sinner."

Trusting yourself as your "Savior" is a refusal to trust the Lord Jesus as your savior.

I trust him he gave me power to become a Son of God.
Your refusal to obey him shows you don't trust him.
Put away the man made doctrine for one moment and trust in him you will see the difference.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Good morning Peaceful. I can imagine someone else taking the screen name "BrassKnucklesBeliever" LOL.

Do you really think that Christians can confess all their sins? In many things we all stumble, as James says. Surely we forget many sins and leave them unconfessed. If we are given eternal life, that implies that all our sins are forgiven: past, present, and future. Verses which state that our past sins are forgiven, do not say that our future sins are unforgiven.

We need to distinguish between confession of sin (evaluating ourselves in judgment) to receive wood-shed-forgiveness vs the forgiveness of sins which is essential to obtaining eternal life. When we trust Christ as Savior, we come as sinners to a Savior and depend on Him for Salvation, which implies forgiveness. In that case we do not run a grocery list of sins by the Lord as if we needed to enumerate them to be saved; they are too many to do that. But as Christians we very specifically confess our sins to get wood-shed-forgiveness, to avoid chastisement and restore fellowship. The chastisement could even be delivery of the Christian's body to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved (1 Cor 6). This is something quite different from that forgiveness which is essential to eternal life, for there is no question of going to the Lake of Fire, only of chastisement (judgment in chastising).

Good morning to you - Atwood. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean. When I was born again I did not confess any sin - I repented of the life I was living, confessed Jesus as my Lord and believed God raised him from the dead and I was saved and my sins 'previously' committed were forgiven and I was granted eternal life. Now, what do I do with the sins I commit after being born again? 1 John 1:9 makes provision for that or else why would it even be written? And yes, it does restore my fellowship with the Father and the Son.

1 Cor 11
For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep. But if we evaluate ourselves in judgment, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

I have translated one word in Greek (diakrino) with the phrase "evaluate in judgment," as the word means both evaluate and judge.

In context, the above verse is related to taking communion. Many were weak and sickly for eating and drinking unworthily by not discerning the Lord's body, i.e. by his stripes we were healed; for healing.

1 John 2 " I write unto you, my little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake."

Col 1: "the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:"

Rom 4: "Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin."

Jer 31, New Covenant:

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know YHWH; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. "

BDAG:

διακρίνωfut. διακρινῶ; 1 aor. διέκρινα LXX; impf. mid. διεκρινόμην. Pass.: fut. διακριθήσομαι LXX; 1 aor. διεκρίθην (s. κρίνω, διάκρισις; Hom.+).
1. to differentiate by separating, separate, arrange (Jos., Ant. 11, 56; Ath. 13, 2; 22, 1; Mel. P. 82, 611) of created things πάντα κατὰ τάξιν δ. effect an orderly arrangement for everything Dg 8:7. ἑαυτὸν δ. separate oneself IEph 5:3 (but the ominous tone of the context favors 3b below).
2. to conclude that there is a difference, make a distinction, differentiate (PGM 5, 103f σὺ διέκρινας τὸ δίκαιον καὶ τὸ ἄδικον; 4 Macc 1:14; Jos., Bell. 1, 27; Just., D. 20, 3; Ath. 15, 1) μεταξὺ ἡμῶν τε καὶ αὐτῶν betw. us and them Ac 15:9. τίς σε διακρίνει; who concedes you any superiority? 1 Cor 4:7 (Appian, Bell. Civ. 5, 54 §228 δ. τινά=concede superiority to someone, beside ἐπιλέγεσθαί τινα=select someone; cp. Philo, Op. M. 137 διακρίνας ἐξ ἁπάσης τὸ βέλτιστον). μηθὲν διακρίνων τίνι δῷ without distinguishing to whom he should give Hm 2:6; cp. Ac 11:12.—Pass. διακρίνεσθαί τινος be differentiated fr. someone Dg 5:1.
3. to evaluate by paying careful attention to, evaluate, judge
a. judge correctly (Job 12:11; 23:10) the appearance of the sky Mt 16:3; evaluate oneself 1 Cor 11:31; recognize τὸ σῶμα vs. 29.
b. pass judgment on w. acc. ἑαυτόν on oneself IEph 5:3 (mng. 1 is also prob.); προφήτην D 11:7; abs. 1 Cor 14:29.
4. to render a legal decision, judge, decide, legal t.t. (X., Hell. 5, 2, 10; Appian, Bell. Civ. 5, 76 §324 δίκαι διεκρίνοντο; SIG 545, 18; OGI 43, 4 and11; pap; EpArist 110; Just. A II, 7, 2) ἀνὰ μέσον τινός decide betw. pers. (as Ezk 34:17, 20) 1 Cor 6:5; s. EvDobschütz, StKr 91, 1918, 410–21 and ἀνά 1b, μέσος 1b.
5. to be at variance w. someone, mid., w. pass. aor. (B-D-F. §78)
a. because of differing judgments dispute τινί w. someone (Polyb. 2, 22, 11) Jd 9.
b. by maintaining a firm opposing position or adverse judgment take issue πρός τινα w. someone (Hdt. 9, 58, 2; Ezk 20:35f; Jo 4:2) Ac 11:2 (=criticize).
6. to be uncertain, be at odds w. oneself, doubt, waver (this mng. appears first in NT; with no dependence on the NT, e.g., Cyril of Scyth. p. 52, 17; 80, 10; 174, 7) Mt 21:21; Mk 11:23; Ro 14:23; Jd 22. ἐν ἑαυτῷ in one’s own mind Lk 11:38 D; Js 2:4; GJs 11:2. W. εἰς Ro 4:20 μηδὲν διακρινόμενος without any doubting Js 1:6; hesitate Ac 10:20.—DELG s.v. κρίνω. M-M. TW.

I really don't know the reason for all of the above. I just know that we confess our sins to restore fellowship and to get rid of them . . . 1 John 1:9 and any that we may not be aware of will be burned at judgment and we will suffer loss for them. 1 Cor. 3:13-15.

 

[Atwood]

I trust him he gave me power to become a Son of God.

But do you trust Him as your Savior? Do you believe that He will get you to Heaven? -- or do you suppose He just gives you a change if you grit your teeth and obey commandments? (Salvation by works?) Are you a Son of God depending on the Lord Jesus to get you to Heaven?

Your refusal to obey him shows you don't trust him.

What is your proof that I refuse to obey?
"And he spake also this parable to certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous,"
But I don't trust in myself that I am righteous as established by keeping commandments.
Do you?

Put away the man made doctrine (trusting in yourself that you are righteous)
for one lifetime and trust in Him, then you will see the difference.

 

[Atwood]

Good morning to you - Atwood. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean. When I was born again I did not confess any sin - I repented of the life I was living, confessed Jesus as my Lord and believed God raised him from the dead and I was saved and my sins 'previously' committed were forgiven and I was granted eternal life. Now, what do I do with the sins I commit after being born again? 1 John 1:9 makes provision for that or else why would it even be written? And yes, it does restore my fellowship with the Father and the Son.

But if you repented of the life you were living, that was coming as a sinner, an implicit confession of sin. Was it not implying that you judged your whole life as sinful? Your sins after being born again must be covered by the atonement of Christ, or you could not have eternal life. There is no limitation of forgiveness to sins done before being saved.

In context, the above verse is related to taking communion.

Many were weak and sickly for eating and drinking unworthily by not discerning the Lord's body, i.e. by his stripes we were healed; for healing.

Yes, the context is chastisement for not discerning the Lord's body (that is, eating and drinking as if it were merely food). I am at a loss as to how you get "healing" into it. BTW, the word translated "stripes," is singular and refers to the terrible bruising of Christ's body on the cross.

I really don't know the reason for all of the above. I just know that we confess our sins to restore fellowship and to get rid of them . . . 1 John 1:9 and any that we may not be aware of will be burned at judgment and we will suffer loss for them. 1 Cor. 3:13-15.

You don't see the difference between the confession of sin that leads to the forgiveness that prevents being chastised, and the forgiveness for a lifetime of sins which allows the free gift of eternal life, forgiveness based on the substitutionary experience of punishment for sin, which the Lord Jesus endured on the cross?

1 Cor 3:

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 each man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work shall abide which he built thereon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire.

The passage does not say "sin" or "sins," though you may infer that works which were burned up were sinful. The loss is loss of reward.

The reason for the appending of the lexicon on diakrino is that I found the word an interesting and edifying word study, and I appended it largely as an aside for anyone' edification.

 

[SeaBass]

Slander and bearing false witness !

All one has to do is look at some of your posts in the "Did God Create Evil?" thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/92239-did-god-create-evil.html

 

[SeaBass]

This is the how and why a person is saved:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth ocnfession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9,10

After that a person is sealed with holy Spirit until the day of redemption . . . . then the works they did whether good or bad will be judged by fire - what is burnt will result in loss of rewards - what is left will result in rewards - and the person himself will be saved.

Rom 10:9,10 are just two verses out of literally dozen of salvic verses. To find out how to be saved ALL salvic verses must be considered, not just two. Will an impenitent person be saved, Lk 13;3,5? No.


The church at Ephesus was sealed, Eph 1:13, but look what happened to that church later in Rev 2:1-7.


In the context of 1 Cor 3 the "works" Paul speaks of are converts...if one's convert is burned up/lost on the day of judgment, the one that made that convert will not be lost if he has remained faithful. On the other hand it one's convert is saved on judgment day, then the one that made that convert will received a reward.

 

[SeaBass]

Nothing in 1 Cor 6 says anyone loses salvation (to use an oxymoron).

they shall never perish!

Anyone that commits any of those sins listed will not inherit the kingdom of God. The prodigal cannot live in fornication yet still maintain salvation.

 

[SeaBass]

Seabass,

Heb 9:6 interprets the preceding:

9 But, beloved[a Believer], we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Those in the preceding context lacked the things that accompany salvation; they are professors, so enlightened that they cannot be brought to a change of mind to trust Christ as Savior.

Heb 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

They were enlightened, came out of darkness, Jn 8:12; Acts 26:18

Heb 9:6 says nothing about eternal security. The Hebrew writer is expressing his confidence those Jews to whom He was writing would not experience the fate of those of verse 6 but they would experience "better things" than those of verse 6

 

[SeaBass]

Bunch of verbage, Seabass. You give no proof from the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not made up speculation. Don't worry about Calvin, focus on the Word of God. You also don't have to figure out election and predestination to be saved. You just have to trust the Savior.


For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth (present tense) on him, may have (subjunctive mood) everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The verb believeth is present tense denoting a sustained, ongoing action.

The subjunctive mood, "may have" shows that everlasting life may or may not occur depending on circumstances, the circumstance being if one continues to believe or not.

 

[SeaBass]

In many ways we all stumble, Seabass. But there is a grossness of sin that indicates a man is not saved.

Come unto Me all you who labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

Then Simon (Acts 8), along with Judas and others in the bible, their sinning therefore does NOT prove they were never really saved to begin with.

 

[SeaBass]

You are the one making a faulty interpretation, a logical fallacy, denying an antecedent.
Prove your claim or retract.



What does Father forgive them mean?

1 Jn 1:7,9 are both CONDITIONAL verses with the word "IF" meaning the Christian must CONDITIONALLY walk in the light/confess his sins to have Christ's blood wash away all ains/be forgiven. So "IF" the Christian quits walking in the light/quits confessing his sins, then his sins are not washed away/forgiven. This is the implication of the conditional word "if"

 

[SeaBass]

Prove it or retract Seabass. Don't think you will be believed for pontificating.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Jn 3:18 the verb 'believeth" is present tense denoting a sustained ongoing action. And as long as one has a sustained ongoing belief he will not be condemned.

Psa 34:22 if one quit taking refuge in God will be condemned.

 

[SeaBass]

The claim is that those who trust Christ are eternally secure as He has paid for their sins and offered salvation on one condition only, trust in Him. There is no claim for unbelievers or persons playing church.

Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

The ones that are "in the kingdom", "in Christ" is the group Christian. As long as one remains in that group he will for a fact be saved. Yet one can fall from that saved group and be lost. That group is still saved yet that person is just no longer part of the saved group.

 

[SeaBass]

Of course Jude is not made up. Christians are kept for Jesus Christ.

The only obedience required for salvation is to trust Christ as Savior as repeated over and over. You disobey that command when you offer the fig leaves and filthy rags of your miserable works.

Doing GOD's righteousness in not filthy rags, Isa 64;5, Acts 10:35. You CONTINUE to misuse, abuse Isa 64:6.

Can one "trust" Jesus yet NOT obey what Jesus said, Lk 6:46? NO! Jesus said to believe, jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and be baptized, Mk 16:16 to be saved.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.

Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved

1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.

Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life.

Lk 13:3,5; Mt 10:32,33; Mk 16:16; Rom 10:9,10; Acts 2:38 are other salvic verses some people tend to ignore.