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they are not all the same
I like the one I attend
are you aware they had a big split a few years back? had to do with the operation of it
I like the one I attend
are you aware they had a big split a few years back? had to do with the operation of it
I left basically about sacramentarianism. I have become sacramental. In other words I believe in the presence of Jesus in his sacraments, and reject symbolism only. I put that in the category with iconism.
Now, hold on @CS1 -
In John 20:22, when Jesus Christ breathed on his disciples He was SEALING them with the Holy Spirit.
If Jesus was baptizing his disciples in John 20:22 then He would NOT have later said for them to tarry in Jerusalem for not many days hence you will be BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:1-5 New King James Version (NKJV)
Prologue
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
The Holy Spirit Promised
4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
The baptism with the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost - 50 days after Jesus Christ rose from the dead and AFTER Jesus Christ SEALED His believers with the Holy Spirit by breathing on them.
When the Believers were baptized with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, it was the FIRST TIME they were 100% FILLED with the Holy Spirit.
The SAME THING happens to us.... We are SEALED with the Holy Spirit the moment we believe and receive Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and King. His Blood takes away our sin and His Body gives us His Righteousness. We become born again and are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
We still need the Baptism with the Holy Spirit and we need to learn how to be continually FILLED with the Holy Spirit so we can walk by the Spirit and NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh.
In John 20:22, when Jesus Christ breathed on his disciples He was SEALING them with the Holy Spirit.
If Jesus was baptizing his disciples in John 20:22 then He would NOT have later said for them to tarry in Jerusalem for not many days hence you will be BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:1-5 New King James Version (NKJV)
Prologue
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
The Holy Spirit Promised
4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
The baptism with the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost - 50 days after Jesus Christ rose from the dead and AFTER Jesus Christ SEALED His believers with the Holy Spirit by breathing on them.
When the Believers were baptized with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, it was the FIRST TIME they were 100% FILLED with the Holy Spirit.
The SAME THING happens to us.... We are SEALED with the Holy Spirit the moment we believe and receive Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and King. His Blood takes away our sin and His Body gives us His Righteousness. We become born again and are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
We still need the Baptism with the Holy Spirit and we need to learn how to be continually FILLED with the Holy Spirit so we can walk by the Spirit and NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Correct, the disciples were NOT SEALED until Jesus Christ breathed on them in John 20:22 because they had not fully understood the Gift of Salvation until AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead and appeared to them and opened their understanding of the scriptures - then they BELIEVED and were SEALED.
This is also why Judas Iscariot could fall away - Judas was NEVER SEALED.
This is also why Judas Iscariot could fall away - Judas was NEVER SEALED.
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I am holding on.... to Jesus
.You used the term baptizing in context to John 20:22 let me be clear on that I did not say that. What I believe we see in John 20:22 is the Holy Spirit open g their understanding that Jesus is Lord unto salvation. The Holy Spirit became a resident in the believer that day.
In Acts chapter 1 Jesus is now telling them this same Holy Spirit IN you will come upon you for power to be a witnesses of The Lord Jesus and His resurrection .
no one bullied anyone. I guess you think those here are incapable of speaking for themselves? You have know back. You could have explained how by the word of God in English for us where the context of your Biblical position you stated was?
Bla-bla- bla. Jesus didn't even speak English out loud to the Disciples according to scriptures! You are making an debate over words that didn't even exist yet. Your point is moot.
The only bully here is you.
Bla-bla- bla. Jesus didn't even speak English out loud to the Disciples according to scriptures! You are making an debate over words that didn't even exist yet. Your point is moot.
The only bully here is you.
I am holding on.... to Jesus .
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No, I do NOT use the term "baptizing" in reference to John 20:22, instead I used the term "SEALED" and yes, I agree with you that Jesus Christ opened up the disciples understanding of the Scriptures by breathing on them and saying "Receive the Holy Spirit," BUT they were NOT Baptized with the Holy Spirit in John 20:22, they were SEALED.
Correct, Jesus Christ did NOT use the term "SEALED."
From the scriptures and snuggling with the Holy Spirit, I've learned that there are 3 distinct interactions God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) do with Believers - Seal, Baptize and Fill.
Ephesians 1:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 1:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Being "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit is staying at 100% which like Jesus means we got go away and spend some quiet time alone with God and charged up again, making melody in our heart to God, singing songs of praise and worship, prayer, meditating on God's Word, fellowshipping with God and other Believers, etc.
There are gifts, fruit and offices that the Holy Spirit operates in Believers but, our interaction is to be sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Then we are effective witnesses for Jesus Christ.
The Father's Will is accomplished with His Word (Jesus Christ) and His Holy Spirit. Both need to be operating in us, both make us able to worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth.
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Amen!
No, I do NOT use the term "baptizing" in reference to John 20:22, instead I used the term "SEALED" and yes, I agree with you that Jesus Christ opened up the disciples understanding of the Scriptures by breathing on them and saying "Receive the Holy Spirit," BUT they were NOT Baptized with the Holy Spirit in John 20:22, they were SEALED.
Correct, Jesus Christ did NOT use the term "SEALED."
From the scriptures and snuggling with the Holy Spirit, I've learned that there are 3 distinct interactions God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) do with Believers - Seal, Baptize and Fill.
Ephesians 1:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 1:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Being "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit is staying at 100% which like Jesus means we got go away and spend some quiet time alone with God and charged up again, making melody in our heart to God, singing songs of praise and worship, prayer, meditating on God's Word, fellowshipping with God and other Believers, etc.
There are gifts, fruit and offices that the Holy Spirit operates in Believers but, our interaction is to be sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Then we are effective witnesses for Jesus Christ.
The Father's Will is accomplished with His Word (Jesus Christ) and His Holy Spirit. Both need to be operating in us, both make us able to worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth.
No, I do NOT use the term "baptizing" in reference to John 20:22, instead I used the term "SEALED" and yes, I agree with you that Jesus Christ opened up the disciples understanding of the Scriptures by breathing on them and saying "Receive the Holy Spirit," BUT they were NOT Baptized with the Holy Spirit in John 20:22, they were SEALED.
Correct, Jesus Christ did NOT use the term "SEALED."
From the scriptures and snuggling with the Holy Spirit, I've learned that there are 3 distinct interactions God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) do with Believers - Seal, Baptize and Fill.
Ephesians 1:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 1:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Being "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit is staying at 100% which like Jesus means we got go away and spend some quiet time alone with God and charged up again, making melody in our heart to God, singing songs of praise and worship, prayer, meditating on God's Word, fellowshipping with God and other Believers, etc.
There are gifts, fruit and offices that the Holy Spirit operates in Believers but, our interaction is to be sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Then we are effective witnesses for Jesus Christ.
The Father's Will is accomplished with His Word (Jesus Christ) and His Holy Spirit. Both need to be operating in us, both make us able to worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth.
Ok agree I have nor said they were Baptized with the Holy Spirit in John 20:22, what I believed the word of God does say, is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit which is the empowerment described in Acts Chapter 2 being distinctly different from the work of the Holy Spirit for salvation.
The word "Sealed" imho was not used by Jesus as much if any over " Saved" (Sozo), Belief, faith , and power of the Holy Spirit. The issue with some here is you get everything after you come to the saving knowledge of Jesus as Lord. Yet we see the Holy Spirit does far more than just lead one to salvation. HE becomes a resident in the believer and HE comes upon the believer to empower them to be a witnesses an Effective witness.
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Whoa! Whoa! Dear sweeeeeet brothers of mine - @calibob and @CS1 - no need to argue!
@calibob - I was NOT taking ANYTHING CS1 was posting as bullying me. Nothing he posted was offensive to me at all. No worries!
What a sweet brother you are, though... to jump in and guard my back! Very precious to me!
I'll let you in on a little secret.......CS1 has jumped in and guarded my back on several occasions, too. We are not enemies.... there is mutual love and respect for each other.
Now, now..... @CS1 - watch your temper. No need to get upset with calibob - he misunderstood your post.
Come on, you two.... make up it was just all a misunderstanding!
Much love and respect and honor to both of you - you're both very dear to my heart!
@calibob - I was NOT taking ANYTHING CS1 was posting as bullying me. Nothing he posted was offensive to me at all. No worries!
What a sweet brother you are, though... to jump in and guard my back! Very precious to me!
I'll let you in on a little secret.......CS1 has jumped in and guarded my back on several occasions, too. We are not enemies.... there is mutual love and respect for each other.
Now, now..... @CS1 - watch your temper. No need to get upset with calibob - he misunderstood your post.
Come on, you two.... make up it was just all a misunderstanding!
Much love and respect and honor to both of you - you're both very dear to my heart!
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Whoa! Whoa! Dear sweeeeeet brothers of mine - @calibob and @CS1 - no need to argue!
@calibob - I was NOT taking ANYTHING CS1 was posting as bullying me. Nothing he posted was offensive to me at all. No worries!
What a sweet brother you are, though... to jump in and guard my back! Very precious to me!
I'll let you in on a little secret.......CS1 has jumped in and guarded my back on several occasions, too. We are not enemies.... there is mutual love and respect for each other.
Now, now..... @CS1 - watch your temper. No need to get upset with calibob - he misunderstood your post.
Come on, you too.... make up it was just all a misunderstanding!
Much love and respect and honor to both of you - you're both very dear to my heart!
@calibob - I was NOT taking ANYTHING CS1 was posting as bullying me. Nothing he posted was offensive to me at all. No worries!
What a sweet brother you are, though... to jump in and guard my back! Very precious to me!
I'll let you in on a little secret.......CS1 has jumped in and guarded my back on several occasions, too. We are not enemies.... there is mutual love and respect for each other.
Now, now..... @CS1 - watch your temper. No need to get upset with calibob - he misunderstood your post.
Come on, you too.... make up it was just all a misunderstanding!
Much love and respect and honor to both of you - you're both very dear to my heart!
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Sorry Bro, you and I have had our differences before so I put you on ignore for the sake of my serenity. I've been away so long I forgotten why I did it. After I read Laffturs post then, "Show ignored content. I over reacted and jumped to her defense as a reaction. She is a dear friend and sometimes that's what friends do. I apologize.
That's my story and I approved of this message.
That's my story and I approved of this message.
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Sorry Bro, you and I have had our differences before so I put you on ignore for the sake of my serenity. I've been away so long I forgotten why I did it. After I read Laffturs post then, "Show ignored content. I over reacted and jumped to her defense as a reaction. She is a dear friend and sometimes that's what friends do. I apologize.
That's my story and I approved of this message.
That's my story and I approved of this message.
God bless,
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