Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh

[phil36]

PPS

If you want to answer these in reference to what you said on the other thread I would be happy for you too, but to me any answer could not contradict the plainest of scripture

Please believe me if anyone could fully answer all of my questions and without evasion on this subject and without contradicting scripture I would have no choice but to accept what they were saying to be true. I would have more questions besides this but if you want to answer them please feel free.
But it is a tough task, not because you do not know your Bible but because in exhaustively discussing this subject I have as previously said never met anyone who can answer every question put to them from either side of the argument

I still believe it is the mystery of Father, son and Spirit.
The spirit exhibits in the son fully, thereofre we can say that the Father is fully in the son via the spirit, but as you know I believe scripturally we cannot then say the son is the one true God and the Father must be greater than the son

And that LBG makes you a heretic, proclaiming to be a christian and then denying the beliefs of Christianity..

With beliefs like that and knowing full well of what you are saying, you say in one hand you are a christian and yet in another breath deny the central belief of Christianity..well, Now I can see why you don't go to church, because no Spirit lead fellowship would have you in their midst unless you repented of your Idolatry and blasphemy!

 

[livingbygrace]

And that LBG makes you a heretic, proclaiming to be a christian and then denying the beliefs of Christianity..

With beliefs like that and knowing full well of what you are saying, you say in one hand you are a christian and yet in another breath deny the central belief of Christianity..well, Now I can see why you don't go to church, because no Spirit lead fellowship would have you in their midst unless you repented of your Idolatry and blasphemy!

Wow !

Firstly I like the way you scrubbed the questions to my above post, I WONDER WHY !!!!

Secondly, such love Phil leaves me speechless(I know you are speaking out of love to defend the truth)

Thirdly it is a simple fact that I have repeatedly stated. If anyone could answer the scriptures I place before them on this subject and show me my error I would have to accept I was wrong

But many just condemn me but have no answers to the scriptures placed before them. It's a bit like
Empty vessels.............................. etc etc etc

Fourthly
No point in me going to a Trinitarian church. Although they don't preach from the pulpit what you have said is the central belief of Christianity I would still be considered a heretic anyway

A Godly woman said to me last week she would not go on internet Christian chat sites, there were too many fanatics on them!!!!!

You only heap coals on your own head with your words, and show your lack of true understanding of what the heart of Christianitry is all about

I really don't think those theology courses are doing you any good at all. I have never done any and I only read the Bible and you can't answer the simple questions I put to you, but doubtless you still consider yourself an authority on scripture

 

[phil36]

Wow !

Firstly I like the way you scrubbed the questions to my above post, I WONDER WHY !!!!

Secondly, such love Phil leaves me speechless(I know you are speaking out of love to defend the truth)

Thirdly it is a simple fact that I have repeatedly stated. If anyone could answer the scriptures I place before them on this subject and show me my error I would have to accept I was wrong

But many just condemn me but have no answers to the scriptures placed before them. It's a bit like
Empty vessels.............................. etc etc etc

Fourthly
No point in me going to a Trinitarian church. Although they don't preach from the pulpit what you have said is the central belief of Christianity I would still be considered a heretic anyway

A Godly woman said to me last week she would not go on internet Christian chat sites, there were too many fanatics on them!!!!!

You only heap coals on your own head with your words, and show your lack of true understanding of what the heart of Christianitry is all about

I really don't think those theology courses are doing you any good at all. I have never done any and I only read the Bible and you can't answer the simple questions I put to you, but doubtless you still consider yourself an authority on scripture

Your questions have been answered LBG, you just won't accept, especially concerning 1 cor 15. and others, but your eyes are full of your own imaginations.

Secondly, such love!! I would certainly not love you if I didn't warn you, another reason of the warning is that you are not only endangering yourself, but also, other Christians with your idolatrous beliefs.

Remember you are the one proclaiming to be a christian and then deny the central belief of Chritianity.
So I stand by what I say.. you should not be welcome in any Christian fellowship until you repnet of your idolatry and blasphemy.

We expect such things from non christians, but those masquarading as a brother yet teaching falshoods, are wolves clothed as sheep. you are a danger.

 

[livingbygrace]

Your questions have been answered LBG, you just won't accept, especially concerning 1 cor 15. and others, but your eyes are full of your own imaginations.

Secondly, such love!! I would certainly not love you if I didn't warn you, another reason of the warning is that you are not only endangering yourself, but also, other Christians with your idolatrous beliefs.

Remember you are the one proclaiming to be a christian and then deny the central belief of Chritianity.
So I stand by what I say.. you should not be welcome in any Christian fellowship until you repnet of your idolatry and blasphemy.

We expect such things from non christians, but those masquarading as a brother yet teaching falshoods, are wolves clothed as sheep. you are a danger.

blah blah blah

Can you tell me why ther Trinitarian churches do not preach the basis of the Christian faith(according to you) from the pulpit Phil, I'm just interested to know

 

[Red33]

LBG,

I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man. Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word? Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation? Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you? Is it possible that even the demons and Satan recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God?

These questions you can answer in your own heart, I don't need to know.

 

[livingbygrace]

LBG,

I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man. Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word? Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation? Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you? Is it possible that even the demons and Satan recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God?

These questions you can answer in your own heart, I don't need to know.

Red

I know you are once again trying to impress others by putting the above post on three seperate threads, you can hardly be doing it for my benefit as twice now I have replied to this post

I think it is sad that you are so driven to impress man, as it is impossible for you firstly to be trying to please God and seek his honour and glory with such an attitude

How can you believe if you accept(or seek) praise from one another, yet make no effort to seek the praise that comes from the only God

John 5:44

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him

John 7:18

Red it is tragic to see you trying so hard to impress people on this website and the way you therefore have to lash out when your standing(in your eyes) is threatened by your inability to answer scripture put before you

Ifd only you could firstly in your heart seek glory for God your peace, happiness and contentment would increase dramatically

 

[Red33]

Red

I know you are once again trying to impress others by putting the above post on three seperate threads, you can hardly be doing it for my benefit as twice now I have replied to this post

I think it is sad that you are so driven to impress man, as it is impossible for you firstly to be trying to please God and seek his honour and glory with such an attitude

How can you believe if you accept(or seek) praise from one another, yet make no effort to seek the praise that comes from the only God

John 5:44

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him

John 7:18

Red it is tragic to see you trying so hard to impress people on this website and the way you therefore have to lash out when your standing(in your eyes) is threatened by your inability to answer scripture put before you

Ifd only you could firstly in your heart seek glory for God your peace, happiness and contentment would increase dramatically

The hope is that saying things a few times over and over just might sink in or create a capacity to receive the truth. As one homoletics preacher points out, 'Reiteration is useful to amplify the point you are trying to make, sometimes it is received sometimes it's no, but love will always try to find a way because it is longsuffering'.

 

[livingbygrace]

The hope is that saying things a few times over and over just might sink in or create a capacity to receive the truth. As one homoletics preacher points out, 'Reiteration is useful to amplify the point you are trying to make, sometimes it is received sometimes it's no, but love will always try to find a way because it is longsuffering'.

A problem with pride and trying to impress others is sadly that untruths inevitably have to follow. One sin invariably leads to another

Your above statement is fiull of falseness as anyone who has read enough of your comments can testify.

I actually find what you are trying to do embarrassing for someone who so proclaims their Christianity


Oh Red, do not be blind to this, you will have no peace with this attitude and a heart driven by these things

 

[Red33]

A problem with pride and trying to impress others is sadly that untruths inevitably have to follow. One sin invariably leads to another

Your above statement is fiull of falseness as anyone who has read enough of your comments can testify.

I actually find what you are trying to do embarrassing for someone who so proclaims their Christianity


Oh Red, do not be blind to this, you will have no peace with this attitude and a heart driven by these things

I think you could have fit a few more things in if you thought it over and really concentrated.

 

[Tigger2]

And that LBG makes you a heretic, proclaiming to be a christian and then denying the beliefs of Christianity..

With beliefs like that and knowing full well of what you are saying, you say in one hand you are a christian and yet in another breath deny the central belief of Christianity..well, Now I can see why you don't go to church, because no Spirit lead fellowship would have you in their midst unless you repented of your Idolatry and blasphemy!

Phil;
The Bible, says we will be judged the way we judge others. According to the way you are calling LBG an Idolater, (which I have seen no evidence of) & of Blasphemy,( he hasn't once ever denied The Father, Son or Holy Spirit) just your interpretation of it. & a heretic, all I've seen is him constantly quoting Scripture> I would hate to be in your shoes come judgment!!!

 

[perfectperfection]

First off the bible tells me only by ONE NAME can a man be saved and his name is NOT JESUS CHRIST> his name is Yahshua and the Fathers name is Yahweh. How can someone be saved speaking a man made name like these so many?????????

 

[phil36]

Phil;
The Bible, says we will be judged the way we judge others. According to the way you are calling LBG an Idolater, (which I have seen no evidence of) & of Blasphemy,( he hasn't once ever denied The Father, Son or Holy Spirit) just your interpretation of it. & a heretic, all I've seen is him constantly quoting Scripture> I would hate to be in your shoes come judgment!!!

Your right Tigger,

I will say it again. LBG denies the plain fact that Jesus Christ Is God. it could not be any simpler. That is Idoaltry,

I will ask you this one question Tigger.

When you stand before God and he asks you why did you stand up for those who denied me..

what will you say Tigger?

It is plain and simple idolatry. are we now to accept all beliefs because peope quote scripture? was David brent Berg, a child of God, and he actually believed Jesus was God, what about Jimmy Jones, he quoted scripture far better than LBG can.

So now tell me Tigger. When God asks you why did you not stand for truth and warn others what will you say?? please answer.

And do you believe along with LNG that Jesus is not God? please answer

 

[Tigger2]

Your questions have been answered LBG, you just won't accept, especially concerning 1 cor 15. and others, but your eyes are full of your own imaginations.

Secondly, such love!! I would certainly not love you if I didn't warn you, another reason of the warning is that you are not only endangering yourself, but also, other Christians with your idolatrous beliefs.

Remember you are the one proclaiming to be a christian and then deny the central belief of Chritianity.
So I stand by what I say.. you should not be welcome in any Christian fellowship until you repnet of your idolatry and blasphemy.

We expect such things from non christians, but those masquarading as a brother yet teaching falshoods, are wolves clothed as sheep. you are a danger.

What you call warning, most would call condemnation, of which you have no right to do. How do you figure him, & me I might add, to be Idolatrous. Neither of us worship anything other than what scripture says! The central belief of Christianity is that Christ was the Son of God, died on a cross, was resurrected by the Father, ascended to heaven & sent back his Holy Spirit to strengthen all mankind to fight the enemy. I have no idea what you believe, but the way you make accusations of others I want no part of it. LBJ would be welcome at our little Christian gatherings anytime & would even be asked to be a guest speaker occasionally. You however with your show of hatred for people who don't conform to your theology would not be welcome!!

 

[phil36]

Just re read your post Tigger, you see no evidence of Idolatry.

In LBG's view Jesus is like another sort of God, I take you have read his posts??? do you agree with this.

 

[livingbygrace]

Your right Tigger,

I will say it again. LBG denies the plain fact that Jesus Christ Is God. it could not be any simpler. That is Idoaltry,

I will ask you this one question Tigger.

When you stand before God and he asks you why did you stand up for those who denied me..

what will you say Tigger?

It is plain and simple idolatry. are we now to accept all beliefs because peope quote scripture? was David brent Berg, a child of God, and he actually believed Jesus was God, what about Jimmy Jones, he quoted scripture far better than LBG can.

So now tell me Tigger. When God asks you why did you not stand for truth and warn others what will you say?? please answer.

And do you believe along with LNG that Jesus is not God? please answer

The Father is greater than I John 14:28
The Father is greater than all John 10:29
That they may know you,(the Father) the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you hjave sent John 17:3

Yet for us therei s buut ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM WHOM all things cane and FOR whom we live asnd one LORD JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM WE LIVE
1 Cor 8:6

No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12

And yet John lived with Christ for three years while he lived on earth

No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father
John 6:46
Christ and John note were refering to the same person
Noiw when it says that everything has been put under his feet IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDEWR CHRIST
1 Cor 15:27

So according to John Paul and Christ the Father is the one true God asnd as John said God has never been seen

 

[phil36]

We've been through all this, i posted on it Red has posted on it, you just don't want to believe what ahs been said.

You are adamant that Jesus is NOT God, but soem sort of other God.

Have a good night LBG

 

[Tigger2]

First off the bible tells me only by ONE NAME can a man be saved and his name is NOT JESUS CHRIST> his name is Yahshua and the Fathers name is Yahweh. How can someone be saved speaking a man made name like these so many?????????

I myself, have often wondered why the translators changed his name, Emanuel, Yeshua, to Jesus Christ. This really does bother me deeply. A name never needs to be translated, no matter what the original language!

 

[livingbygrace]

We've been through all this, i posted on it Red has posted on it, you just don't want to believe what ahs been said.

You are adamant that Jesus is NOT God, but soem sort of other God.

Have a good night LBG

Red does not respond to my verses of scriptiure on this subject

I have given you the plainest of scripture on this subject and you refuse to accept it, and you
most certainly do not respond to all the scripture I produce either

And I repeat

You demand what Christ did not demand for a person to have eternal life, and you call people heretics for standing
on Christ's words alone as to what is the neccessary belief for a person to have eternal life


The Bible is the final authority for man, not human minds that contradict the plainest of scripture in it

 

[phil36]

What you call warning, most would call condemnation, of which you have no right to do. How do you figure him, & me I might add, to be Idolatrous. Neither of us worship anything other than what scripture says! The central belief of Christianity is that Christ was the Son of God, died on a cross, was resurrected by the Father, ascended to heaven & sent back his Holy Spirit to strengthen all mankind to fight the enemy. I have no idea what you believe, but the way you make accusations of others I want no part of it. LBJ would be welcome at our little Christian gatherings anytime & would even be asked to be a guest speaker occasionally. You however with your show of hatred for people who don't conform to your theology would not be welcome!!

Hi Tigger,

I never said you were Idolatrous, I asked you do you agree with him.? there is a big diference.

Secondly, it is a very palin fact that if someone is committing Idolatry then the are idolatrous.

no even worse, when someone claims to be a christian and yet is in idolatry, this is a grave danger and needs to be called out. it should not be tolerated.

I do not hate LBG, But I can assure you if you would have amn who denies Jesus is God, as a guest speaker at your church and welcome him with open arms, then I am afraid it doesnt say much for your little church. well of course thats maybe you just saying that and not the other memebers.

Tigger, its not conforming to my theology, it is comforming to God himself.

So is it ok to believe Jesus is some sort of other god? just because LBG can quote scripture doesnt mean anything.

Jimmy Jones could qoute scripture like you would believe

David Brent berg could quote scripture like you wouldnt believe, he also taught that sex is great there is no such thing as adultry it was free love, sex with children was god oradiened, his organisation believe that when you are having intercourse you are actually doing it with Jesus.


By your standards we shopuld not condemne these peoples as false , because they can quote scripture and they say they have a belief in the Father, the son and the Hly Spirit.

now, would you welcome these peopel to your church... they can prove their teachings from scripture and they don't fit MY theology.

So where does that leave you Tigger? they are kost definatly false teachers, and heretics, that doesnt mean I dont love them, but they are dangerous wolves.

as Is ay when you stand before God and he asks you..why did you stand with my enemies what are you going to say?

 

[Tigger2]

Your right Tigger,

I will say it again. LBG denies the plain fact that Jesus Christ Is God. it could not be any simpler. That is Idoaltry,

I will ask you this one question Tigger.

When you stand before God and he asks you why did you stand up for those who denied me..

what will you say Tigger?

It is plain and simple idolatry. are we now to accept all beliefs because peope quote scripture? was David brent Berg, a child of God, and he actually believed Jesus was God, what about Jimmy Jones, he quoted scripture far better than LBG can.

So now tell me Tigger. When God asks you why did you not stand for truth and warn others what will you say?? please answer.

And do you believe along with LNG that Jesus is not God? please answer

Ask & you shall receive. First of all Idolatry is the worship of another God other than YHWH. LBJ & myself both believe in & worship this God of the Bible. The TRUTH is God's Word not twisted around to match a particular doctrine or tradition of man. God, YHWH will not ask me your silly question for he will already know from my heart that I love him & worship him only. According to scripture Jesus is YHWH's Son, Yeshua, Emmanuel. I also believe God has given him all authority over heaven & earth until all his enemies have been defeated. Then Yeshua turns his kingdom back over to the Father. I don't fully understand how the God of my Bible works, all I know is that I must follow him & obey because I love him for what he has done for me.