Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[pumpkinbread1567]

after the END of the FIRST half of the last week or 1.260 days-Rev.13:v.5. We will enter in the period of the last week-Daniel 9:v.27

Again, as I messaged to someone, the first half was already fulfilled when Christ was crucified. Believe it or not, it was apparently 3.5 years after He arrived on the donkey, which signified the part "unto messiah the prince."

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

First will fulfil the events of the first HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27

And if you think about it, the first beast from the seas is the only one associated with the duration of 42 months (3.5 yrs.) Not the second beast. I used to think like you, but I believe God has led me in the right path (about Daniel week).

Yes, the Two Prophets are associated with 42 months, but for the beast, it only says it will "wage war against them." But nonetheless, it's probable that there is a 7-year period for the tribulation from various parts.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

It's also God's glory to conceal a thing, and for kings to search out the secrets hidden in wisdom (as Solomon wrote). There are minor errors and differences and whatnot between LXX and Tanach, but nothing too badly different. Also between Greek Matthew and Hebrew Matthew. For general understanding, I think current translations are sufficient, but there are things otherwise unobtainable from context. You shouldn't miss the fact that there are now translators of many genuine and ingenuine translations, and God certainly would not let the genuine ones go extinct (as with KJV once filled with Freemasonic signs.) It's for you to discern which ones are genuine. And by the way, NIV is said to be satan's Bible.

Interesting. I never really studied the translation histories themselves. The more knowledge of the world I accumulate, the more confusing it is.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

That doesn't mean that they rose in the immortal and glorified bodies. Scripture states that Jesus is the first fruits of those who rise from the dead and the church is next. Those people who rose from the tombs did so in the mortal bodies and died again, just as Lazarus also died again after he was resurrected.



This above has to do with the resurrection of the two witnesses which is a future event that takes place in the middle of the seven years and has nothing to do with those who rose from their graves after Christ resurrected.



The the second death is another name for the lake of fire, the final place of punishment for the unsaved dead.

There were multiple people in scripture who were resurrected in their mortal bodies and died again:

* Lazarus (brother of Mary and Martha)
* Eutychus (fell out of the third story window listening to Paul)
* Jairus 12 year old daughter
* Tabitha (translated as Dorcas)

The people above were all resurrected back into their mortal bodies and all died again. They will be resurrected immortal and glorified at the appointed time in the future.

I don't think the saints that resurrected from their opened graves at the time of Jesus' death on the cross contradicts the first fruits truth at all. Certainly if Jesus resurrected people from the dead, the people you listed, and doesn't contradict the first fruits doctrine, then the many saints were bodily resurrected from their open graves shouldn't either.

 

[Runningman]

This is also a well known false teaching which I have contended against many times. All you're doing is repeating what you have heard or read. The truth is that believers are not appointed to suffer any wrath from God, neither God's wrath that is quickly coming upon the earth nor the wrath of being thrown into the lake of fire, because Christ already satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer, not just some of it.

You're still conflating wrath with tribulation. Christians will be martyred during the great tribulation:

Revelation 20:4
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And as I have posted many times here, Jesus said that believers would have trials and tribulations as a result of our faith, which come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. The tribulation period, i.e. God's coming wrath is not the same as those trials and tribulations, because they will be direct wrath from God in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is God's wrath that believers are not appointed to suffer. It is paramount to understand that there is a difference between the two. It is God's tribulation/wrath that we will not be exposed to. In the book of Revelation John spoke about being a companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus. This is an example of the trials and tribulations that Jesus said all believers would experience. What we won't experience is God's coming wrath upon this earth.

The great tribulation is not God's wrath, but rather it is Satan's wrath:

Revelation 12:12
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I would suggest that you go and look up all scriptures regarding "The Day of the Lord" and understand what that time period entails. This time period is what the majority of the book of Revelation is covering, i.e. the things/events which must take place in quickness.

As i said, the coming wrath of God is not the same as the trials and tribulations that Jesus said that we would have as a result of our faith. God's wrath is a completely different issue and we are appointed to suffer His coming wrath, nor His ultimate wrath at the great white throne judgment.

Correct. Christians are spared the wrath of hellfire and damnation and the bowls. The bowls of wrath happen after the tribulation is over.

1). The Pre-Tribulation Gathering of the Church - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Closely notice that 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says nothing about a pre-tribulational gathering of the church. No where is that mentioned. You're preaching a false doctrine.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6

Now about the times and seasons (of the above event), brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Yes, the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night after the tribulation. Like sudden destruction in the days of Noah:

Matthew 24:42-44
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.



In verse 3, Paul says that "while people (unbelievers) are saying "Peace and security" destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."

Then in verse 4, he says "But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day (the Day of the Lord) should overtake you like a thief.

"But you, brothers" immediately infers the opposite of not escaping, i.e. where unbelievers will not escape that sudden destruction of God's wrath, believers in Christ will via the event described in 1 Thess.4:15-17, which Paul previously wrote about.

Q:

And how will they escape?

A: By what Paul had previously written in 1 Thess.4:15-17 where the dead are resurrected and the living in Christ are changed and caught up.

Q: Why will believers escape?

A: Because we do not belong to the darkness or to the night (v.4 & 5)

Q: What does the darkness and night refer to?

A: It represents that time of sudden destruction that will come upon the whole earth, the time of God's wrath, the Day of the Lord.

Q: What is the Day of the Lord?

A:

“I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth, declares the LORD.

I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, and the idols with their wicked worshipers.

I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,” - Zephaniah 1:2-3 (see the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments)

I mostly agree with this part. I think the main thing we disagree on are pre-trib and what is God's wrath verses tribulation.

Isaiah 13:6-13

Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.

Because of this, all hands will go limp, every heart will melt with fear.

Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor.

They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.

The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. (see Matt.24:29)

I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. (God will punish the wicked, not the righteous)

I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.

Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger.

I strongly encourage you to compare Isaiah 13:6-13, Matthew 24:29, and the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-17.

Since we (believers) do not belong to the darkness or to the night which represents the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, the church cannot be on the earth because we belong to the day and the light. And the way in which we will escape is through Paul's description of the gathering of the church in 1 Thessalonian 4:15-17.

Read the next chapter too. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10. It is not talking about the gathering of the church being literally or figuratively in the day or night. The day and night is referring to our conduct as Christians. While the master is away, don't be squandering your grace and liberty getting drunk, sinning, etc.

6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

Those who believe and teach that God is going to put the living church through His wrath first and then gather us, are not comforting you with those words.

The comfort Paul was talking about was the resurrection, rapture, and being with Jesus. Closely notice Paul is addressing the concern in 1 Thess. 4:13
13Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.

 

[Runningman]

Do you want to eat literal flesh? Is that the intention of this reply?

I'm not sure if you're seriously asking if I am a cannibal or not. LoL. I'll just assume you're joking.

No, the point of my reply was to show you that the fowls in Revelation 19 are most likely eating literal flesh at the supper of God.

 

[TMS]

And if you think about it, the first beast from the seas is the only one associated with the duration of 42 months (3.5 yrs.) Not the second beast. I used to think like you, but I believe God has led me in the right path (about Daniel week).

Yes, the Two Prophets are associated with 42 months, but for the beast, it only says it will "wage war against them." But nonetheless, it's probable that there is a 7-year period for the tribulation from various parts.

i believe the 42 months are joined together as one time prophesy. Can you show me when it started from the bible? and that there are gaps in the time from start to finish?
Does the bible support gaps in the time prophesy?

 

[Ahwatukee]

I don't think the saints that resurrected from their opened graves at the time of Jesus' death on the cross contradicts the first fruits truth at all. Certainly if Jesus resurrected people from the dead, the people you listed, and doesn't contradict the first fruits doctrine, then the many saints were bodily resurrected from their open graves shouldn't either.

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

But each will be resurrected, Jesus the first fruits then those at His coming would the church.

He hasn't come yet!

 

[ewq1938]

I understand, but the Great Tribulation will be in near future immediately after the END of the FIRST half of the last week or 1.260 days-Rev.13:v.5. We will enter in the period of the last week-Daniel 9:v.27 when the MAN Beast of the earth like a lamb with two horns (a false lamb, of course) manifest himself speaking as Dragon.

That's not what the verse says:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

G721
????´??
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30

A lambkin is the young child form of an adult lamb and this it's horns are "little".

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two LITTLE horns of a YOUNG lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


That should automatically make someone think of the little horn in Daniel.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but we know that same person is found in both books under a different name. Isn't it clear that the little horn and FP are the AC?

little horn = false prophet = antichrist.

Why two little horns?

The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You're still conflating wrath with tribulation. Christians will be martyred during the great tribulation:

Revelation 20:4
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



The great tribulation is not God's wrath, but rather it is Satan's wrath:

Revelation 12:12
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I would suggest that you go and look up all scriptures regarding "The Day of the Lord" and understand what that time period entails. This time period is what the majority of the book of Revelation is covering, i.e. the things/events which must take place in quickness.





Correct. Christians are spared the wrath of hellfire and damnation and the bowls. The bowls of wrath happen after the tribulation is over.


Closely notice that 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says nothing about a pre-tribulational gathering of the church. No where is that mentioned. You're preaching a false doctrine.



Yes, the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night after the tribulation. Like sudden destruction in the days of Noah:

Matthew 24:42-44
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.



In verse 3, Paul says that "while people (unbelievers) are saying "Peace and security" destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."

Then in verse 4, he says "But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day (the Day of the Lord) should overtake you like a thief.

"But you, brothers" immediately infers the opposite of not escaping, i.e. where unbelievers will not escape that sudden destruction of God's wrath, believers in Christ will via the event described in 1 Thess.4:15-17, which Paul previously wrote about.



I mostly agree with this part. I think the main thing we disagree on are pre-trib and what is God's wrath verses tribulation.




I strongly encourage you to compare Isaiah 13:6-13, Matthew 24:29, and the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-17.



Read the next chapter too. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10. It is not talking about the gathering of the church being literally or figuratively in the day or night. The day and night is referring to our conduct as Christians. While the master is away, don't be squandering your grace and liberty getting drunk, sinning, etc.

6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.




The comfort Paul was talking about was the resurrection, rapture, and being with Jesus. Closely notice Paul is addressing the concern in 1 Thess. 4:13
13Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.

Runningman, If you want to continue to believe that it is Satan's wrath, then that is your choice. I know, as well as everyone else here, that the tribulation period is God's wrath, the Day of the Lord. There is no such thing as Satan's time of wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

And if you think about it, the first beast from the seas is the only one associated with the duration of 42 months (3.5 yrs.) Not the second beast.

The second beast has 42 months or maybe a little less based on this:

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

He can't exercise the all the power of the first beast if that beast is gone and is powerless.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Both beasts are destroyed at the same time, cast into the lake of fire while they both are still alive. That means both have no more than that same 42 months to reign then they will be destroyed at Armageddon.

 

[Ahwatukee]

That's not what the verse says:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

G721
????´??
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30

A lambkin is the young child form of an adult lamb and this it's horns are "little".

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two LITTLE horns of a YOUNG lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


That should automatically make someone think of the little horn in Daniel.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but we know that same person is found in both books under a different name. Isn't it clear that the little horn and FP are the AC?

little horn = false prophet = antichrist.

Why two little horns?

The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Little horn = 1st beast/antichrist/man of lawlessness

False prophet = 2nd beast

 

[Oseas3]

And if you think about it, the first beast from the seas is the only one associated with the duration of 42 months (3.5) yrs. Not the second beast. I used to think like you, but I believe God has led me in the right path (about Daniel week).

Yes, the Two Prophets are associated with 42 months, but for the beast, it only says it will "wage war against them." But nonetheless, it's probable that there is a 7-year period for the tribulation from various parts.

It seems you perceived not that in my post 334 I associated the FIRST HALF of the last week - week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 - to the Beast of sea when I highlighted (in details) Revelation 13:v.5 in that post.

Revelation 13:v.5 that I mentioned in my post 334, it combines or is linked with Revelation 11:v.2


(Post 334 - quote) Revelation 11:v.1-2:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. <---> Revelation 13:v.5

Yes, the Two Prophets are associated with 42 months, but for the beast, it only says it will "wage war against them." But nonetheless, it's probable that there is a 7-year period for the tribulation from various parts.

Well, hope that you understand that we both are in agreement regarding the MAN Beast of sea -Revelation 13:v.1-10-ruling by 42 months or 1,260 days, the FIRST HALF of the last week, week 70th.

Regarding the MAN Beast of the earth,who has two horns like a lamb,and he speaks as a Dragon-Revelation13:11-18 - much more powerful than the MAN Beast of sea, the FIRST Beast, he will rule the 2nd HALF of the week 70th, in fulfilment Matt. 24:v.15 - 15 When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) , and he will rule by 1,290 days conform Daniel prophesied. The current Devil's world with all its structures will END in this period of 1,290 days ruled by the Man Beast of earth.

Daniel 12:v.12 - Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
The glorious day 1.335, 45 days after the end of abomination of desolation. Amen

 

[TMS]

Rev_11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
History explains this very clearly. Gods people were persecuted for 42 months or 1260 days (day = year, Num 13:34, Eze 4:6).
Rev_13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Is there a power in History that had power over the people of God for 1260 years? yes
This same time period is mentioned seven times in the books of Daniel and Revelation (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5): three times as a “time, times, and half a time”; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3½ years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

One prophetic day equals one literal year

Thus, the little horn (antichrist) was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days; that is, 1,260 literal years.

The rule of the papacy began in ad 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today.

 

[TMS]

why look to the future if it has already happened.

 

[Oseas3]

That's not what the verse says:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

G721
????´??
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30

A lambkin is the young child form of an adult lamb and this it's horns are "little".

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two LITTLE horns of a YOUNG lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


That should automatically make someone think of the little horn in Daniel.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but we know that same person is found in both books under a different name. Isn't it clear that the little horn and FP are the AC?

little horn = false prophet = antichrist.

Why two little horns?

The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Read my resumed post 353

 

[ewq1938]

Is there a power in History that had power over the people of God for 1260 years? yes

There is only 1260 days mentioned in Revelation, not 1260 years. It coincides with the 42 months thee beast reigns.

The rule of the papacy began in ad 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted.

There is no uprooting of anything in Revelation. No horns are uprooted. Whatever you are talking about from the past has zero to do with any part of Revelation.

 

[TMS]

If the past holds the keys and you purposely choose to ignore them, you are going to miss the points God wanted us to see.
Revelation was written at about the end of the first century, It is arrogant to presume that it all applies to our time. Much is for the future and much has happened.

Has anyone investigated the evil minds that started futurism and how many false doctrines have started as a result of futurism?

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

But each will be resurrected, Jesus the first fruits then those at His coming would the church.

He hasn't come yet!

Are you sure you're understanding this completely? I mean, there are some very practical reasons why this scenario with the saints who had fallen asleep were resurrected to Heavenly New Jerusalem as opposed to Jerusalem on earth.

1. We know very little about these saints, i.e., how long they have been asleep.

2. If absent from the body, they're present with the Lord. Would they want to leave Heaven and their people to come back and live in Jerusalem, in this sin cursed world again at that time? They could have been asleep for 100 years, 90 years, 50 years, 30 years, 10 years, etc.

3. They would have to get jobs, find work, find a place to live, eat food, live under Roman occupation in a state of great apostacy with the leaders of Israel. They would be doomed to live in a desolate place that was going to undergo some horrible disruption in the near future.

Is that a blessing? Would you want to come back after you've been in Heaven with your people to live, grow old, or older, and die all over again when you have been in Heaven with the Lord?

I just don't think it's logical, merciful, practical. But, I just might not understand.

 

[Oseas3]

Why two little horns?.

Revelation 13:v.11-12
11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth (the dry land; the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon (a false lamb, in fact, a false messiah, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, the MAN of sin, son of perdition, future ruler and guide of Israel, and the main head of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, a Master of Torah).


12 And he (will) exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast (the Beast of sea=waters=peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues(all tongues) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, whose deadly wound was healed.(Revelation 13:v.2)


Then there will be two religious, and strong, and satanic Beasts on the Earth (Planet), according the entire Revelation 13:

1 - The Man Beast of sea - the Pope, the Papacy, who has 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his 10 horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. NOTE: In this current time, he works only with his 7 heads and name of blaspheme. The 10 horns is not still linked to the Beast of sea)


2 - The Man Beast of earth (earth here is Israel, the clay, the dry land) he has two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a dragon. HE IS THE 666. This devilish MAN already was born and will manifest himself in near future;

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Revelation 17:v.9-10
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The book of Revelation, chapter 13, reveals that there will be TWO religious Beasts on earth in this time of Apocalypse.

Well, the Papacy, the FIRST Beast, it is already running since the beginning of the Church of the LORD JESUS, i.e. from around two millenniums ago, and this FIRST Beast built a strong and gigantic and satanic religious structure in the 7 regions of the Earth: Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America, do you understand?

The WOMAN-the Roman Catholic Church,which rides upon the Beast of sea- in these past two thousand years have been developed and structured materially and spiritually in those 7 regions of the planet Earth.


10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (As soon as Pope Francis passes away, the seventh and last Pope to be elected may choose a nickname from a specific lineage of Popes, for example Popes Paul, then this will be Paul VII, and will be the last Pope) .