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Ironically Jesus not only taught pretrib but declared we are to "pray that you may be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the entire plant..."
In fact, Jesus taught no such thing.

Psssst...you need noah taken out/removed AFTER THE FLOOD.
Don't need Noah at all. We've already got 2 Thess 2:1. Why haven't you taken up my challenge to prove me wrong about that verse?

....and lot taken out/removed AFTER THE JUDGEMENT.
Ah, yes. Good ol Lot. He WALKED away from danger. Some "rapture" huh. Then he impregnated both of his daughters in a cave. Wow. What an example of the rapture.

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...and the baby Jesus removed AFTER the slaughter of the firstborn.
Rev 3:10 shows believers who endure in their faith will be kept from trial. It doesn't say they will be removed from the earth.

You NEED all that ( you know the stuff you omit that is not going away) taken out( no pun intended) from the bible
What pretribbers don't have is any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven.
 
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In fact, Jesus taught no such thing.


Don't need Noah at all. We've already got 2 Thess 2:1. Why haven't you taken up my challenge to prove me wrong about that verse?


Ah, yes. Good ol Lot. He WALKED away from danger. Some "rapture" huh. Then he impregnated both of his daughters in a cave. Wow. What an example of the rapture.

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Rev 3:10 shows believers who endure in their faith will be kept from trial. It doesn't say they will be removed from the earth.


What pretribbers don't have is any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven.
The Lot comment was funny. I was dying laughing
 
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If a believer is just doing what you suggested above, then you are not watching or anticipating the Lord's return, but instead have an attitude of "whenever!"
Ahwatukee.

Please re-read what I wrote. I'll quote it here: "born again, saved by God's grace through your faith in Jesus, following the Lord and living your life as He has commanded. If you take this position, you'll be sure to be rapture ready."

Do you see it? "As He has commanded."

When Jesus said to be ready, Jesus made a command to His followers.
 
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Take it up with Jesus.
He used lot and noah.
No, Jesus uses 2 Thess 2:1 which teaches a posttrib rapture. Take it up with Jesus.

Neither escaped after the judgement.
Why do you think posttribbers believe there is an escape after judgment? What would that accomplish?

In fact, the resurrection and rapture occur when Christ returns at the Second Advent and will be present when Jesus sets up His Millennial Kingdom, of which they will serve Him while He rules the nations with a rod of iron.

The bible ends with The bride calling for the pretrib rapture in harmony with the Spirit of God.
Show us that in the last chapter of Rev.
 
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You have no verses.
Says the pretribber who has no verses. 2 Thess 2:1 refutes your theory. And you won't take my challenge to disprove my views.

Debate the substance.
When will you debate 2 Thess 2:1? The verse that refutes pretrib.

Go concept for concept.
We've been trying. Pretribbers won't do it.

Getting mad and personal is not constructive.
Who has?

My job is easy
Then why not take up my challenge regarding 2 Thess 2:1 to show me my error? What's holding you back, if you job is so easy?
 
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But in the pretrib rapture theory, God removes believers to avoid His wrath, then brings them BACK to earth at the Second Advent, which no one argues against.
So your argument doesn't work.
What? My position (what you call an argument) is that 2 Thess 2:1 places the rapture AT the Second Advent. I've challenged many pretribbers to take up my challenge by quoting the verse and placing in parentheses the words you think define/explain the words "coming" and "gathered to Him".

Will you take up my challenge?

1st Seal/Rider white horse = Represents the emergence of the antichrist
Since he is in power only the last half of the Trib, this isn't possible. It's simply the rise to power of many different agencies trying to subdue people and enslave them. Like Marxism is doing right now.

2nd Seal/Rider Red horse = Takes peace from the whole world so that men kill each other
Right. Happening at a frightening rate right now.

3rd Seal/Rider black horse = World wide famine
With the effects of the Chinese Communist virus unleashed on the world, and stupid lockdowns all over the world, of course we're gonna see a lot of famine everyone.

4th Seal/Rider on the pale green horse = Death and Hades personified, are given authority to kill a fourth of the worlds population
I wonder if John was referring to geography or population. Either way, yes, there will be lots of death.

6th Seal = Sun darkened, moon turned blood red, great earthquake stirring the islands and mountains

1st Trumpet = A third of the earth and trees are burned up

2nd Trumpet = A third of the creatures over all the earth are killed and a third of the ships are destroyed

3rd Trumpet = Something falls on the rivers and springs of water contaminating it so that Many die from drinking the water

4th Trumpet = The sun, moon and stars are darkened by a third, so that one third of the light both night and day will be missing

5th Trumpet/1st woe = Demonic being resembling locusts are released from the Abyss to torment having stings like a scorpion

6th Trumpet/2nd woe = Four angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill a third of mankind

7th Trumpet/3rd woe = Satan and his angels cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth

1st Bowl = Painful ugly sores break out on those who worship the beast and receive his mark

2nd Bowl = The seal turned into literal blood

3rd Bowl = Rivers and springs (all fresh water) turned into literal blood

4th Bowl = Sun scorches the inhabitants with intense heat, searing them

5th Bowl = Beasts kingdom is plunged into spiritual darkness

6th Bowl = Euphrates dried up for the kings of the east and all the kings and their armies gathered for Armageddon

7th Bowl = World-wide earthquake causing the islands and mountains to disappear. 75 to 100 pound hail stones
Nice review. But the question is begged; so what?

I wrote all those down above to show how utterly ridiculous it is to compare the trials and tribulations that the apostles and first century Christians went through in comparison to those events of wrath.
I've never mentioned the 1st Century Christians. Do you have me confused with another poster?

Now getting back to Noah and Lot, where do you think that the church could go to get away from all of that? Not to mention that we are not appointed to suffer those. Since these plagues will affect the entire world, there will be no Ark's that we can get on and no small cities to flee to. Now include the fact that the word church never appears within the narrative of God's wrath in the book of Revelation.
Such opinions insinuate that God's aim ain't so good.

The fact is that scripture states that believers are not appointed to suffer those plagues of wrath and therefore must be gathered prior to their on-set.
No it doesn't. Egypt is the perfect example of God's perfect aim.

And since all of the above must take place prior to the Lord returning to the earth to end the age, then we cannot be on the earth to experience them.
Don't bet on it.

What does it take to get you guys to understand that the church is not appointed to suffer the above plagues of wrath?
We already understand that. What it take to get you pretribers to understand that 2 Thess 2:1 shows the rapture AT the Second Advent?

So take my challenge to prove me wrong.

The purpose of the book of Revelation is not to warn the church of what they are going to go through, but to give us the information to warn unbelievers of God's coming wrath.
How naive. The church LITERALLY bookends the entire book of Revelation. ch 1-3 and 22:16.

God gave us the book of Revelation to study and understand what is going to come upon the earth,
And it is exactly This that the church must be ready for.

What's to prepare for with a pretrib rapture, since there would be absolutely nothing to prepare for?



which are those things mentioned verse 1 which must take place in quickness. We, the church, are not appointed to suffer those and therefore will be gathered from the earth prior to said wrath.
2 Thess 2:1 proves differently.

So please take my challenge with that verse to prove me wrong.
 

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You are at a typical mocker.
What is it that *I* am "mocking"?

I seriously do not see the correlation you are making between the possibility of our being "martyred" at any time throughout church history and even NOW (which pre-tribbers fully acknowledge)... and that of our [meaning, members of this board] discussing "rapture-timing" on a discussion board (which you seem to want to forbid).



Anyway, I do recall your saying that you personally do not care to "debate" with anyone on the Subject of rapture-timing, so I am not asking you for that. Just to be clear.
 

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Yes, I agree we must be watching and always be ready, because we don'tknow the day or hour of His coming. I love the Lord not because He has promised to rapture me; I love the Lord because He has saved me and given me eternal life.

But when did His return actually become imminent?
Well for one, when He said the following:

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.

Not knowing what day the Lord will come infers His imminent return, i.e. on the horizon, in the making, looming, about to happen, forthcoming, inevitable, impending, etc.

For those who are believing and teaching that the church is going to go through God's wrath and be gathered after God's wrath, to them it cannot be imminent, because plagues of wrath that must take place first. As I said before, if I was on the earth during the time of God's wrath, I could follow the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments like a road map and I would know that the Lord could not appear and gather His church until after thee 7th bowl has been poured out.

I'm convinced that even if Paul or the Lord himself explained these truths that you others would still not believe.
 
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Well for one, when He said the following:

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.

Not knowing what day the Lord will come infers His imminent return, i.e. on the horizon, in the making, looming, about to happen, forthcoming, inevitable, impending, etc.

For those who are believing and teaching that the church is going to go through God's wrath and be gathered after God's wrath, to them it cannot be imminent, because plagues of wrath that must take place first. As I said before, if I was on the earth during the time of God's wrath, I could follow the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments like a road map and I would know that the Lord could not appear and gather His church until after thee 7th bowl has been poured out.

I'm convinced that even if Paul or the Lord himself explained these truths that you others would still not believe.
Ahwatukee,

My question is rather straightforward: when did His return actually become imminent?
 
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Well for one, when He said the following:

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.

Not knowing what day the Lord will come infers His imminent return, i.e. on the horizon, in the making, looming, about to happen, forthcoming, inevitable, impending, etc.

For those who are believing and teaching that the church is going to go through God's wrath and be gathered after God's wrath, to them it cannot be imminent, because plagues of wrath that must take place first. As I said before, if I was on the earth during the time of God's wrath, I could follow the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments like a road map and I would know that the Lord could not appear and gather His church until after thee 7th bowl has been poured out.

I'm convinced that even if Paul or the Lord himself explained these truths that you others would still not believe.
Ahwatukee,

My question is rather straightforward: when did His return actually become imminent?
I starting to get confused on who is a pretribber or post tribber.. lol
 

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My question is rather straightforward: when did His return actually become imminent?
If I may...

... biblically speaking, the word "RETURN" (re: Jesus) speaks ONLY of His Second Coming to the earth (Rev19)... it is never what pre-trib scholars label as "IMMINENT" (see the definition of "imminent / imminence" in a recent previous post of mine... which is NOT defined as "[can happen] AT ANY MOMENT" and the term is certainly NOT applied to His "RETURN" to the earth, by pre-trib scholars, as they use the term).

Hope that helps clarify. = )
 

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Ahwatukee,

My question is rather straightforward: when did His return actually become imminent?
The article posted here explains how scripture holds the rapture being imminent, because Jesus said there is no set day or hour but to watch for the signs leading to the rapture as a separate event than his second coming, which is a separate topic than your question about imminency.
Imminent because it could happen at any time and the signs we are to watch for is all we have to go by.

Imminency, as it relates to Bible prophecy, simply means that the return of Jesus Christ for the Church can happen at any moment. No warning signs will indicate a short-term countdown. We as Christians remain on alert 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

The only way for the rapture to be truly imminent is to have it transpire before the tribulation. If the Church were required to wait until after the manifestation of certain events, then there would be no doctrine of imminency.

The pretribulation rapture is the only view that allows for the rapture to be imminent in its timing. All the other views require a number of prophetic occurrences to take place before the rapture can be declared imminent. To be looking for the imminent return of Christ, you have to believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Jesus repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them.

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).”Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV).

“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13).

“And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power”(Acts 1:7).
Because we have no way to refute the fact that we will not know the timing of our Lord’s return, the tribulation is a barrier to the rapture. No wonder the late John Walvoord called imminency “the heart of Pretribulationism.”

This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation.

If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation.

Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful.

If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture.

Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming.

If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.

Maranatha
One the strongest cases one can make for the early Church expecting an imminent return of Christ is to note their use of the word maranatha, which was used as a greeting in those days. When believers gathered or parted, they didn’t say “hello” or “goodbye”; they would say “Maranatha!”

I’ve encountered some writings that say Maranatha is Hebrew and Greek, but it is actually an Aramaic expression. In fact, it is made up of three Aramaic words: Mar, which means “Lord”; ana, which means “our”; andtha, which means “come.”

So when you put it together, maranatha means “Our Lord, come.” It perfectly conveys the concept that the Lord could come at any moment.Maranatha is used once in the Bible by Paul as part of a curse. In 1 Corinthians 16:22, Paul said, “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha.” The word “anathema” means “banned,” so Paul was saying, “Let him be banned from our Lord’s coming.”

The interesting thing about maranatha is that it comes in the form of a petition. When a Christian in the early Church would make this statement, he was actually petitioning the Lord to come. This obviously implies the belief that it was possible for Jesus to answer the appeal.

If members of the first-century Church believed that certain events needed to take place before the Savior could return, they would have been silly to greet each other with “maranatha.” They lived nearly 2,000 years ago, and yet they seem to have had a deeper awareness of imminency than many of today’s Christians.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mat 24:36).Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” (Mat 25:1-6)
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Complete article here:

https://www.raptureready.com/2016/07/19/imminency/

Reference as to the rapture and the second coming being two separate events is available upon request. Maranatha!
 
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Jesus was talking about the Tribulation Period when He said, “Pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass” (Luke 21:36). He didn’t say, “Pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to endure some or all of these things that shall come to pass.”

35) There are no signs of the Rapture, but if the Rapture takes place during the Tribulation Period, it would have to be after the seven-year covenant is signed by the Antichrist and perhaps after several other things, depending upon what a person believes about Mid-Trib, Post-Trib, etc.

36) Jesus said, “When these things (the signs) begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads for your redemption draweth nigh” (Luke 21:28). He didn’t say, “After all these things have happened, your redemption draweth nigh.” He said, “When these things begin to come to pass, it’s close.”

37) The Church won’t go through the Tribulation Period because God intends to use the 144,000 children of Israel, the Two Witnesses, and an angel to preach the gospel during the Tribulation Period. He wouldn’t need or use Jews or an angel to preach the gospel if the Church was here.

38) We are ambassadors for Christ (2 Cor. 5:20), and ambassadors are called home before war breaks out (before the Tribulation Period).

39) Daniel was a type of the Church and not present when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego (Jews; types of Israel) are in the fiery furnace (type of Tribulation Period).

40) If Jesus is already headed down to earth at the end of the Tribulation Period, there is no reason why we would need to be caught up to meet Him in the air.

41) If the post-Trib Rapture is true, those that are left behind after the Rapture will not need to hear the gospel from the 144,000, etc., because they will immediately be removed from the earth and cast into outer darkness.

42) If the post-Trib Rapture is true, and the Church is on earth during the Tribulation Period, but God uses the 144,000 Jewish evangelists, etc., instead of the Church, then the Church has rejected Jesus, or He has rejected the Church.

43) The Tribulation Period is meant for the redemption of Israel (Dan. 9:24), not for the redemption of the Church (Jesus redeemed the Church by His death on the cross (1 Pet. 1:18-19).

44) There is nothing unusual about Jesus keeping the Church out of the Tribulation Period. He has a history of protecting His people from tribulation on special occasions. He protected the Hebrews from the Ten Plagues, Noah and his family from the Flood, and Lot from Sodom and Gomorrah. He will seal and protect the 144,000 during the Tribulation Period, and He will protect the Jews in Judea that flee into the wilderness during the last half of the Tribulation Period. There is no reason to believe He won’t protect the Church.

45) The timing of the Rapture should be based on Scripture, not what others believed many years ago unless they backed it up with Scripture.

complete article that proves a pre-trib rapture


Pre-Trib Rapture Arguments
By Daymond Duck

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3967495/posts
 
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The article posted here explains how scripture holds the rapture being imminent, because Jesus said there is no set day or hour but to watch for the signs leading to the rapture as a separate event than his second coming, which is a separate topic than your question about imminency.
Imminent because it could happen at any time and the signs we are to watch for is all we have to go by.

Imminency, as it relates to Bible prophecy, simply means that the return of Jesus Christ for the Church can happen at any moment. No warning signs will indicate a short-term countdown. We as Christians remain on alert 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

The only way for the rapture to be truly imminent is to have it transpire before the tribulation. If the Church were required to wait until after the manifestation of certain events, then there would be no doctrine of imminency.

The pretribulation rapture is the only view that allows for the rapture to be imminent in its timing. All the other views require a number of prophetic occurrences to take place before the rapture can be declared imminent. To be looking for the imminent return of Christ, you have to believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Jesus repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them.

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).”Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV).

“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13).

“And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power”(Acts 1:7).
Because we have no way to refute the fact that we will not know the timing of our Lord’s return, the tribulation is a barrier to the rapture. No wonder the late John Walvoord called imminency “the heart of Pretribulationism.”

This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation.

If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation.

Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful.

If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture.

Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming.

If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.

Maranatha
One the strongest cases one can make for the early Church expecting an imminent return of Christ is to note their use of the word maranatha, which was used as a greeting in those days. When believers gathered or parted, they didn’t say “hello” or “goodbye”; they would say “Maranatha!”

I’ve encountered some writings that say Maranatha is Hebrew and Greek, but it is actually an Aramaic expression. In fact, it is made up of three Aramaic words: Mar, which means “Lord”; ana, which means “our”; andtha, which means “come.”

So when you put it together, maranatha means “Our Lord, come.” It perfectly conveys the concept that the Lord could come at any moment.Maranatha is used once in the Bible by Paul as part of a curse. In 1 Corinthians 16:22, Paul said, “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha.” The word “anathema” means “banned,” so Paul was saying, “Let him be banned from our Lord’s coming.”

The interesting thing about maranatha is that it comes in the form of a petition. When a Christian in the early Church would make this statement, he was actually petitioning the Lord to come. This obviously implies the belief that it was possible for Jesus to answer the appeal.

If members of the first-century Church believed that certain events needed to take place before the Savior could return, they would have been silly to greet each other with “maranatha.” They lived nearly 2,000 years ago, and yet they seem to have had a deeper awareness of imminency than many of today’s Christians.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mat 24:36).Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” (Mat 25:1-6)
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— Todd Strandberg

Complete article here:

https://www.raptureready.com/2016/07/19/imminency/

Reference as to the rapture and the second coming being two separate events is available upon request. Maranatha!
You can write a book and still makes no difference. That is made up doctrine. Yall are decieving people. There is not two second comings.
 
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You can write a book and still makes no difference. That is made up doctrine. Yall are decieving people. There is not two second comings.
Rev 14 jesus comes on a cloud during the gt and harvests ripe fruit holding a sickle in his hand.

Maybe you never saw that.