Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Evmur]

You suggest that "Gods" 10 commandments written in stone is the Law of of "Moses" that has been abolished, "Wrong"

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

Your claim that observance of God's 10 Commandments is a work of Satan?

Your claim is Bold and plain ignorance on display

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

just a minute

that rich young ruler said he had kept the commandments from his youth ... but Jesus said it was not enough.

The law came from Moses but grace and truth from Jesus Christ ... you can't mix them up. Faith and obedience to laws are 2 different things.

The law is outward but grace is in the inner man.

 

[Truth7t7]

Freedom is scary for some, so they turn to legalism, because that's where they feel most secure . They fight tooth and nail for laws , rules , perimeters . Grace and freedom is terrifying for these types . They are drawn to certain cults and religions ,because it seemingly offers ' security ' and boundaries , They will be drawn to the groups that offer the most ' certainty ' " Come to our organisation, we have the answers " . The offer of free falling into grace is not good news to them ,that's why they call it Licence to sin . They can't imagine any different.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, I have repented of my sin, and received his finished work on Calvary, Im saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise

I follow no religious denomination or sect, only the words of God contained in the KJV Holy Bible

Does That Sound Like A Cult?

Jesus Is The Lord, Amen

 

[Evmur]

Agreed...but you OSAS License to Sin preachers want that gift bestowed upon those who HATE Jesus and refuse to obey His commandments.

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3 KJV

Who can hate Jesus and be saved?

We have obeyed His commandments, His commandment is to only believe, His commandment is to love.

 

[Evmur]

False Gospel? You OSAS License to Sin preachers are the ones preaching that.

We know full well the power to resist the devil and make him flee is already guaranteed, but our desire to sin is why we fail. But, instead of manning up and admitting this and then asking Jesus to give us upright desires, we stubbornly insist on this false Gospel of OSAS and the License to Sin if provides us. That is the problem.

You say you are failing, I'm not failing. I am righteous.

You are on the sin merry-go-round, you live like an perfect angel until you fall off. Then you start beating yourself up.

The way to attain to holiness is to understand that Jesus has gotten the victory for us once and for all. You can't even begin with God until you understand that.

 

[Evmur]

You say you are failing, I'm not failing. I am righteous.

You are on the sin merry-go-round, you live like an perfect angel until you fall off. Then you start beating yourself up.

The way to attain to holiness is to understand that Jesus has gotten the victory for us once and for all. You can't even begin with God until you understand that.

Fact is you love that sin merry-go-round, you don't really want to have done with sin once and for all.

 

[Truth7t7]

just a minute

that rich young ruler said he had kept the commandments from his youth ... but Jesus said it was not enough.

The law came from Moses but grace and truth from Jesus Christ ... you can't mix them up. Faith and obedience to laws are 2 different things.

The law is outward but grace is in the inner man.

As it has explained several times, the law of Moses has been Abolished in Jesus Christ And The Cross of Calvary, its now (Grace)

The woman at the well was guilty of (Adultery)the death penalty by stoning under the law of "Moses", did she die? "NO"

Jesus Christ forgave her sins, just as those who would break the 10 commandments today (Grace)

The Law Of "Moses" in penalties in ordinances, taste not, touch not, has been Abolished, not the Law of "God" in the 10 commandments

Jesus Christ (Grace)

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

[Truth7t7]

Who can hate Jesus and be saved?

We have obeyed His commandments, His commandment is to only believe, His commandment is to love.

Your claim is in error, his commandment are 10, as seen in Exodus 20:1-17

 

[Truth7t7]

Who can hate Jesus and be saved?

We have obeyed His commandments, His commandment is to only believe, His commandment is to love.

Your Claim Is In Error Of Biblical Truth

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments, at no place have they been revoked or replaced

Matthew 5:19-48KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[TheLearner]

falling asleep

 

[Phoneman-777]

what do you mean stop focusing on those who failed FYI you failed I failed LOl That is why Jesus is the only answer

Yes, Antinomianists/OSAS Licensees fatally focus on human weakness and sin instead of overcoming it. Did God just gratuitously change the man's name from "crook" to "overcomer"? No, He knew Israel's conversion would result in a life marked by victory over sin by the submission of his will to His will, the channel through which overcoming power flows.

Three Biblical truths to ponder:​

1. The will of God is that His law, the same written by Him in stone, be in our heart. (Psalms 40:8 KJV; 2 Cor. 3:3 KJV)

2. The mindset of the true Christian will be to submit his will to God's will. (Luke 22:42 KJV)

3. God has no time nor patience to hear anyone whining about how "We can't keep the law!!!" when He knows full well they don't even break a sweat in their fight against temptation, let alone paint the ground red with their blood-mingled sweat fighting to overcome temptation like our Divine Example Jesus. (Hebrews 12:3-4 KJV)

 

[CS1]

Yes, Antinomianists/OSAS Licensees fatally focus on human weakness and sin instead of overcoming it. Did God just gratuitously change the man's name from "crook" to "overcomer"? No, He knew Israel's conversion would result in a life marked by victory over sin by the submission of his will to His will, the channel through which overcoming power flows.

The will of God is that His law, written by Him in stone, be obeyed in our heart. (Psalms 40:8 KJV; 2 Cor. 3:3 KJV)

The mindset of the true Christian will be to submit his will to God's will. (Luke 22:42 KJV)

God has no time nor patience to hear anyone whining about how "We can't keep the law!!!" when He knows they don't even break a sweat in their fight against temptation, let alone paint the ground red with their blood-mingled sweat fighting to overcome temptation like our Divine Example Jesus. (Hebrews 12:3-4 KJV)

But God has made it clear overcoming is BY Jesus not by keeping the Law.

The will of God is to love Him with all. and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said doing this is the whole Law.

You say God has no patience to hear anyone whining how " WE CAN'T KEEP THE LAW"

But you fail you address the penalty by God for Breaking IT. Without Jesus you keep nothing. Without the blood of Jesus and repentance, You have nothing. You are under judgment because of the Law from what you have already done.

And not breaking a sweat about temptation?

FYI Jesus was tempted, being tempted is going to happen.

It is not a sin to be tempted, it is a sin to be a willful participant. When you have the lust in your heart that draws you to sin. Obeying the law will not help one's, sinful heart. Jesus said that in Matthew 5

 

[Truth7t7]

But God has made it clear overcoming is BY Jesus not by keeping the Law.

The will of God is to love Him with all. and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said doing this is the whole Law.

You say God has no patience to hear anyone whining how " WE CAN'T KEEP THE LAW"

But you fail you address the penalty by God for Breaking IT. Without Jesus you keep nothing. Without the blood of Jesus and repentance, You have nothing. You are under judgment because of the Law from what you have already done.

And not breaking a sweat about temptation?

FYI Jesus was tempted, being tempted is going to happen.

It is not a sin to be tempted, it is a sin to be a willful participant. When you have the lust in your heart that draws you to sin. Obeying the law will not help one's, sinful heart. Jesus said that in Matthew 5

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry, at no time have they been revoked or replaced

John 14:14-15KJV
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I fully agree with you on the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath, but your view on OSAS in (Eternal Security) is flawed

The scripture is very clear below, the gospel is heard, the gospel is believed, the Holy Spirit seals until the day of redemption (Eternal Security)

My favorite preacher C. D. Brooks (RIP) said he once got up in a airplane that went through the worst turbulence he and the others onboard had ever experienced. The plane banked and dipped so sharply and violently that many were screaming and crying out to God, certain that the plane would break apart.

He said, "I fastened the seat belt tight, grasped the arm rests with both hands, hooked my foot around the bottom of the seat in front of me, prayed for the Lord to have mercy......I DID EVERYTHING BUT GET OFF THE PLANE!"

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The "seal" is not some "locked door" behind which we can't escape -- that is an extremely juvenile, irresponsible, Calvinist interpretation ("Irresistible Grace") by those who flatly ignore other Scripture in their desire to hold onto Jesus and sin at the same time. Many verses teach we can walk away from salvation.

The "Seal of God" - unlike the Mark of the Beast which goes in either the hand or forehead - refers to an "identifying mark" which is the Law of God identifying those who have surrendered their will to His will (Isaiah 8:16 KJV; Ezekiel 9:4 KJV; Luke 22:42 KJV) and is placed only in the forehead (Revelation 7:3 KJV) by the Holy Spirit Who empowers us to obey. (2 Corinthians 3:2-3 KJV).

 

[Phoneman-777]

So accordong to your own words then a believer WILL keep the commandments of God and thus cannot be lost . This is similar to calvinisms perseverance of the saints.

No, Calvinism's "Perseverance of the Saints" is a non-free will, pre-programmed obedience rendered to God by those "predestined" to obey whereby the deviation from which is not possible.

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God

Congratulations on paraphrasing 1 John 2:3-4 KJV and 1 John 5:2-3 KJV -- even though it's mine, you can use it

So why are you going on about loss of salvation then ?
Keeping the commandments is 'works of the law 'But your preaching that he WILL keep them. By force ? Can't do otherwise, no free will ?

What I teach is the Biblical axiom that says repentance is a state of voluntary, conscious surrender of the human will to the Divine will (Luke 22:42 KJV) in which the Holy Spirit writes God's Law on our hearts (2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV) and makes possible a loving, obedient relationship with Jesus. (Acts 1:8 KJV) Do you see that after we surrender our will, God takes over and does the rest?

Please...LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You're forgetting one thing: the "bar" is the Word of God which backs up every word I said. Now, if we refuse to believe Jesus when He says the workers of iniquity are going into the Lake of Fire so that we can manufacture a OSAS License to Sin in order to continue in iniquity, we are purposefully disregarding the "bar" the Word of God has set for us...with obvious eternal consequences for doing so.

You are accountable for what you understand others are accountable for what they understand belief your bar of judgement is for you

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:

and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭

faith works in the individual it doesn’t work for me to try to hold you accountable for what I know . It’s impossible for anyone to judge another except for Jesus because he only knows what they actually understand

we share the gospel and as people receive it they begin to be planted and grow as they are able and as God makes them able

 

[Truth7t7]

My favorite preacher C. D. Brooks (RIP) said he once got up in a airplane that went through the worst turbulence he and the others onboard had ever experienced. The plane banked and dipped so sharply and violently that many were screaming and crying out to God, certain that the plane would break apart.

He said, "I fastened the seat belt tight, grasped the arm rests with both hands, hooked my foot around the bottom of the seat in front of me, prayed for the Lord to have mercy......I DID EVERYTHING BUT GET OFF THE PLANE!"
The "seal" is not some "locked door" behind which we can't escape -- that is an extremely juvenile, irresponsible, Calvinist interpretation ("Irresistible Grace") by those who flatly ignore other Scripture in their desire to hold onto Jesus and sin at the same time. Many verses teach we can walk away from salvation.

The "Seal of God" - unlike the Mark of the Beast which goes in either the hand or forehead - refers to an "identifying mark" which is the Law of God identifying those who have surrendered their will to His will (Isaiah 8:16 KJV; Ezekiel 9:4 KJV; Luke 22:42 KJV) and is placed only in the forehead (Revelation 7:3 KJV) by the Holy Spirit Who empowers us to obey. (2 Corinthians 3:2-3 KJV).

I disagree, the word of God clearly teaches eternal security, no need to run about the bush, I'm set in my observation of scripture

I disagree that the seal of the Holy Spirit is the Law of God or observance of the 10 commandments

The scripture below clearly teaches that a believer who breaks the commandments will still be least in the Kingdom, shedding light on your claim

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Phoneman-777]

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With Christ in the heart, all things - including obedience - are possible for the saint. (Philippians 4:13 KJV)

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God,
Whilst Philippians is not about keeping the commandments. You mention ' 'possible ' ,then you talk about "he will keep the commandments of God" Which is it ? If he WILL keep the commandments this isn't about ' possibilities ' this is certainly he will ,if that's what you mean . Are you affirming that all believers KEEP the commandments ?

Have you any idea how stupid it sounds to suggest that Paul didn't mean "overcoming sin" when he said "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me"?

Jesus Himself said "all things are possible to him that believeth" just before he drove out a DEMON from a boy, but this same Jesus is not able to drive out from you a bad habit???

AND HERE LIES THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE: ​

If the OSAS crowd actually believed, "all things" would be possible including obedience to God's commandments...so why do they need a OSAS License to Sin? Because they don't believe!!!

 

[Phoneman-777]

Who can hate Jesus and be saved?

We have obeyed His commandments, His commandment is to only believe, His commandment is to love.

Those who break the Ten Commandments love neither God nor their neighbors and have only the belief of trembling demons, which they will join in the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV; Romans 6:16 KJV).

 

[throughfaith]

No, Calvinism's "Perseverance of the Saints" is a non-free will, pre-programmed obedience rendered to God by those "predestined" to obey whereby the deviation from which is not possible.
Congratulations on paraphrasing 1 John 2:3-4 KJV and 1 John 5:2-3 KJV -- even though it's mine, you can use it
What I teach is the Biblical axiom that says repentance is a state of voluntary, conscious surrender of the human will to the Divine will (Luke 22:42 KJV) in which the Holy Spirit writes God's Law on our hearts (2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV) and makes possible a loving, obedient relationship with Jesus. (Acts 1:8 KJV) Do you see that after we surrender our will, God takes over and does the rest?

Please...LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.

And yet you have no verses that explicitly say what you believe ( for today) . Which is interesting isn't it ?

 

[Phoneman-777]

You say you are failing, I'm not failing. I am righteous.

You are on the sin merry-go-round, you live like an perfect angel until you fall off. Then you start beating yourself up.

The way to attain to holiness is to understand that Jesus has gotten the victory for us once and for all. You can't even begin with God until you understand that.

If you think you are succeeding while at the same time teaching others we don't have to keep the commandments Jesus spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger in stone, then your spiritual condition is the worst possible one to be in.

Jesus said those like you who teach such satanic doctrine on Earth are called "the least" by those in the kingdom of heaven watching you do it. (Matthew 5:17-19 KJV)