Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

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That verse is before the cross ,still under the law .
Murder is still murder no matter which side of the Cross in history you stand. Dispensationalism is a lie of the devil and those who read the Bible through its lens cannot hope to understand prophecy, Christian duty, the Plan of Salvation...nothing.
 
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Isn't this a bit rich considering everything you've said so far ?
You seriously don't see the difference between reiterating a Biblical warning and passing judgment?

It's too bad CC doesn't make people pass a basic knowledge test before allowing entrance, because there's too many people in here throwing around provocative accusations that have no basis whatsoever.
 

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You have no right to judge whether a person is saved or not by their behavior. Who do you think you are, God?

There are many verses which teach saved people will be lost, but you're just going to sit down in Christ's judgment seat and take His place like the Pope claims to take his place when it comes to forgiveness, right? Both of you are ANTICHRISTS.
Your claims are "Heretical", stating if a believer breaks a commandment of God, they will be thrown into the Lake Of Fire following demons

A woman caught in Adultery, guilty of death by stoning, as she was forgiven by Jesus Christ my Lord, as you pass judgement, with the scribes and pharisees

1 John 2:1KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 8:3-11KJV
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
 

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Murder is still murder no matter which side of the Cross in history you stand. Dispensationalism is a lie of the devil and those who read the Bible through its lens cannot hope to understand prophecy, Christian duty, the Plan of Salvation...nothing.
Yes murder is still murder. Apples are still apples . But back to my point . That verse is before Jesus died for the sins of the world . You don't see any difference with this ?
 

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You seriously don't see the difference between reiterating a Biblical warning and passing judgment?

It's too bad CC doesn't make people pass a basic knowledge test before allowing entrance, because there's too many people in here throwing around provocative accusations that have no basis whatsoever.
I'm Still waiting for the verses that explicitly SAY what you believe on how a person is saved today , How salvation is appropriated today and what the prerequisite is for being saved today ? You have lots of anecdotes , assumption, inference , analogies but no explicit verses ? Why is this ?
 
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Your words in my opinion are "heretical", in total disregard of the provision of Gods grace regarding sin and repentance

If a believer sinfully covets his neighbors house, car, wealth, etc and ask to be forgiven, they are forgiven as scripture teaches below

You have passed eternal judgement in the Lake Of Fire, in complete disregard of Gods provision below, in repentance and forgiveness, are you "God" or of the sect of the "Pharisees"

1 John 2:1KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Please explain these verses:

"Hereby we do know that we know (love) Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I konw Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth (Jesus) is not in him."

And how is that different from this:

"Hereby a wife knows that her husband loves her if he comes home to her at night. The husband that says, I love her, and screws around with every indecently dressed flirt in town is a liar and fidelity is just a word he saw on an old stereo turntable".
 
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Another verse before Jesus dies for the sins of the world. If anything your consistent at glossing over this point.
Dispensationalismis a lie....not Biblical, but the brainchild of a deceived man (J. N. Darby) who was seduced by Jesuit ideas.
 

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What's so hard to understand about James telling us that if we keep the whole Ten Commandments but break one, we're guilty of all: that if we don't commit adultery, but kill, we become guilty of breaking the entire Ten? Then, he says we are to speak and act as people who know we have to stand in judgment for what we do.

This is not rocket science or even the new the science which teaches how a man can get pregnant. This is elementary stuff...and the day is coming when those who refused to let go of their sinful habits in preparation of that judgment will be as those who banged on the door of the Ark with all their might and voice to be let in, but were horrifically drowned with the rest of that rebellious generation.
um no it’s not rocket science
James subject is showing favoritism to rich well dressed church members over poor members dressed in rags it’s not specific to the Ten Commandments it’s about any and all sin according to the law

“My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:1-4, 8-10‬ ‭

that’s the problem he’s stating and James is telling us true solution because we’re all sinners by the law like he’s explaining we have to live by Jesus law of liberty the law of mercy for the merciful is how we should live and act is James point because of we don’t we aren’t going to receive it when we face the lord for our works good and bad we should have a merciful heart or we shouldn’t expect mercy

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Brother you are looking to be judged by Moses still so you are headed for this judgement

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what Jesus is saying is that Moses foretold of Jesus coming with Gods true word of requirement not Moses but Moses wrote that another who would be like Moses was to come with the word of Gods requirement

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16-19‬ ‭


That’s a prophecy that they didn’t believe that Moses wrote so they then didn’t believe Jesus words who is who Moses was speaking about here is the apostle Peter explaining this

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭

Gods word of truth and everlasting dominion and authority is everything Jesus taught. Moses himself with news of this in his written law above is one example that is actually proven by a chief apostle after he received the Holy Ghost the one Jesus said he would build his church upon identified Moses as prophecy of of Christ and his words

his words are going to judge us not Moses words

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

what Moses said would come is why Jesus was always saying he was the one God sent to teach the truth

it really isn’t rocket science it’s about believing the New Testament and not trying to lug the old with us
 
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What about Ezekiel 9:1-4 KJV, which was SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS BEFORE ACTS 2?
Different words , different things , different seal , different context, different thing entirely. Absolutely nothing to do with Acts 2 . Eph 4.30 , Eph 1.13 at all .
 

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Dispensationalismis a lie....not Biblical, but the brainchild of a deceived man (J. N. Darby) who was seduced by Jesuit ideas.
I've never said that's who I'm following ? I'm simply pointing out what's different. You quoted a SDA this clearly shows what your following and its not the bible. Still waiting for those verses that explicitly SAYS what you believe?
 

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Heres an example of what I mean by EXPLICITLY SAYS .
Ok I believe the adoption is the redemption of the body .
Rom 8.23
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
wow! ,would you look at that . That verse EXPLICITLY SAYS what I believe. Do you see it ?
Now you don't have verses like this that Say what you believe.
 

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Please explain these verses:

"Hereby we do know that we know (love) Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I konw Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth (Jesus) is not in him."

And how is that different from this:

"Hereby a wife knows that her husband loves her if he comes home to her at night. The husband that says, I love her, and screws around with every indecently dressed flirt in town is a liar and fidelity is just a word he saw on an old stereo turntable".
God never had Paul tell any Christian on this earth to “keep his commandments” in reference to the Old Testament commandments.
 

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You seriously don't see the difference between reiterating a Biblical warning and passing judgment?

It's too bad CC doesn't make people pass a basic knowledge test before allowing entrance, because there's too many people in here throwing around provocative accusations that have no basis whatsoever.
Being a SDA puts you at odds with NT salvation .
 

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Ahhh, so you think "salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of my sin remaining in me".

That means if Jesus comes in the clouds and finds three men gang raping a woman and one of them prayed the sinner's prayer and "believes" he is saved and is "trusting" that Jesus overcame his gang rape habit...well, he's going up in the clouds to meet Jesus while the other two are "left behind", right?

Talk about turning "grace" into "disgrace" LOL
the Law proved you were a sinner.
 

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If you think you are succeeding while at the same time teaching others we don't have to keep the commandments Jesus spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger in stone, then your spiritual condition is the worst possible one to be in.

Jesus said those like you who teach such satanic doctrine on Earth are called "the least" by those in the kingdom of heaven watching you do it. (Matthew 5:17-19 KJV)
You twisted that
It doesn't say "are called the least by those in the kingdom of heaven" it says "shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven" why did you twist it?

You have said previously they will be damned but Jesus said they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, they are though still in the kingdom of heaven.

Paul taught exactly the same doctrine about false teachers who would build upon the foundation he had laid their works would be burned up and they will suffer loss although they will be saved but as through fire. This also is the famous doctrine of Hebrews chapter 10 that everybody worries about.

There is no such thing as a born again christian losing their salvation.

As to the covenant of the law it was God who wrote it who also annulled it. In Jeremiah God foretold He would make a new covenant with the Jews because they had broken the covenant that then existed. Jesus said His blood was the blood of that new covenant.

God never at any time entered into a covenant of law with the Gentiles, we are not given the commandments of Moses we are given the good news about Jesus Christ. We do keep HIS commands.

And if you want to preach Moses you should be aware that you opening the door to adultery for Moses law allows for divorce upon the production of a written note of divorce ... Jesus said that is adultery.