Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide
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God has said so.
I figured you were of the no one can teach you camp. That is so unbiblical. You'll most likely never see it since you're in rebellion to God's Word. I showed you plainly where Scripture refutes you and you skip over it. You are your own god when you can simply discount His Word that refutes you. That ma'am is a fact.
I figured you were of the no one can teach you camp. That is so unbiblical. You'll most likely never see it since you're in rebellion to God's Word. I showed you plainly where Scripture refutes you and you skip over it. You are your own god when you can simply discount His Word that refutes you. That ma'am is a fact.
And you realize, of course, that you have misinterpreted John 3:13 - because Jesus (identifying Himself as the Son of Man here) is, in fact, declaring that He did descend from Heaven, and that means that your interpretation of John 20:17 is incorrect.
Jesus came from heaven (because He is actually God) and He returned to heaven (as described in Mark 16:19, and Luke 24:50-53, and Acts 1:9-11).
The "Word" spoken of here is the pre-incarnate Jesus:
[FONT="]1 [/FONT][FONT="]In the beginning was the Word[/FONT][FONT="], and [/FONT][FONT="]the Word was with God[/FONT][FONT="], and [/FONT][FONT="]the Word was God[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]2 [/FONT][FONT="]He was in the beginning with God[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT][FONT="] John 1:1-2
The Word is described as eternal, with God, and WAS/IS God!
Later on the same chapter:
14 And the [/FONT][FONT="]Word became flesh[/FONT][FONT="] and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
Now the "Word" becomes "flesh".
The Word previously described as eternal, and with God, and WAS/IS God, now takes on a human form.
Do not be fooled by the word begotten here - in the Greek that word means unique - nothing more and nothing less.
Begotten in no way implies Jesus being a created being.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:15-16
In John 1:15 who is John the Baptist referring to here "This was He of whom I said,"?
The Word mentioned in verse 14.
And who does John then go on to indentify as the Word?
None other than Jesus Christ:
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:16-18
John's word in John 1:15 are also very interesting: He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’
First He says that Jesus is to come after Him, then He says that Jesus was before Him!
Was He confused?
No, emphatically no!
He understood that Jesus was divine (and therefore eternal), and so when he states that Jesus is to come after him that is a reference to His human status in two parts, John was older than Jesus, and Jesus ministry would follow, while the reference to Jesus being before Him acknowledges the eternal divinity of Jesus Christ.
So, Jesus Christ (John 1:17) is the only begotten Son (John 1:18) is unambiguously identified as the Word (John 1:1-2), and the Word is unambiguously described as eternal, with God, and WAS/IS God!
Jesus Christ IS God!
Game, set and match...
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Jesus came from heaven (because He is actually God) and He returned to heaven (as described in Mark 16:19, and Luke 24:50-53, and Acts 1:9-11).
The "Word" spoken of here is the pre-incarnate Jesus:
[FONT="]1 [/FONT][FONT="]In the beginning was the Word[/FONT][FONT="], and [/FONT][FONT="]the Word was with God[/FONT][FONT="], and [/FONT][FONT="]the Word was God[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]2 [/FONT][FONT="]He was in the beginning with God[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT][FONT="] John 1:1-2
The Word is described as eternal, with God, and WAS/IS God!
Later on the same chapter:
14 And the [/FONT][FONT="]Word became flesh[/FONT][FONT="] and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
Now the "Word" becomes "flesh".
The Word previously described as eternal, and with God, and WAS/IS God, now takes on a human form.
Do not be fooled by the word begotten here - in the Greek that word means unique - nothing more and nothing less.
Begotten in no way implies Jesus being a created being.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:15-16
In John 1:15 who is John the Baptist referring to here "This was He of whom I said,"?
The Word mentioned in verse 14.
And who does John then go on to indentify as the Word?
None other than Jesus Christ:
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:16-18
John's word in John 1:15 are also very interesting: He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’
First He says that Jesus is to come after Him, then He says that Jesus was before Him!
Was He confused?
No, emphatically no!
He understood that Jesus was divine (and therefore eternal), and so when he states that Jesus is to come after him that is a reference to His human status in two parts, John was older than Jesus, and Jesus ministry would follow, while the reference to Jesus being before Him acknowledges the eternal divinity of Jesus Christ.
So, Jesus Christ (John 1:17) is the only begotten Son (John 1:18) is unambiguously identified as the Word (John 1:1-2), and the Word is unambiguously described as eternal, with God, and WAS/IS God!
Jesus Christ IS God!
Game, set and match...
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[FONT="]Since no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven then he couldn't have been talking about himself since he states in John 20:17 that he had not ascended into heaven.
[/FONT]John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
john 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 8:38 "I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
1 john 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 6:46-51 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48I am that bread of life. 49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
[/FONT]John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
john 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 8:38 "I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
1 john 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 6:46-51 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48I am that bread of life. 49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
And later at his baptism, who descended upon Jesus ? So did the Holy Ghost say, "Thou art my beloved Son" or did the voice come from heaven?
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. ( matthew
17:5 transfiguration)psalm 2:7 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. ( prophecy)
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ( baptism)
Mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. ( matthew
17:5 transfiguration)psalm 2:7 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. ( prophecy)
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ( baptism)
Mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Well, out of your own mouth this clearly says it all! "this clearly again refutes your thinking that Jesus is God" Do you know what's "clear" to me about you? That your "clearly" Biblically ignorant and that's a real shame. 
IN GOD THE SON,
blluto
IN GOD THE SON,
blluto
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; andto my God, and your God.
it seems more like you are too proud to accept Jesus word. unles now " God has a God and a Father? and also that Jesus is calling the disci[ples His brothers,,,,not aware that God has brothers. im aware He has children though...so it makes sense that Jesus is Gods only son, who acknowledged His Father as His God really very clearly. ill have to find the bluto section of the bible to realllly understand lol , ill stick With the fact that Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, and rest with the truth of that.
john 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
pretty sure His name is Jesus.
thanks for the insult though lol it only kind of reveals that im not the One who seems to Know whats actually not in the Bible. .....
i cant Help you accept the truth that Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, you should consider its better to accept scripture than stick with a catholocized misrepresentation, but thats only something you can do. peace.
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isaiah 53:2-3 :For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not........v11-12 "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Proverbs 11:30 "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."
revelation 22:2 "n the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
revelation 22:2 "n the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
you are exactly correct, and in the redemption....
Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
1 corinthians 14:29 "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
those with the gift of prophecy were who were to speak amongst the brethren in the church and both male and female were to prophecy according to Peter who was quoting Joel a long standing prophecy. Paul was a pharisee beforehand and they were very insistant to the Law, which oppresed women according to what you are saying because after the fall, came " her desire shall be for Her husband, and He shall rule over Her" thats a part of the curse that Jesus took away. making male and female again one in Christ with no distinction based on gender " there is neither male nor female in Christ"
Paul says " I do not permit" He missed that one and contradicts Himself. saying " there is neither male nor female in Christ" and then forbidding a woman to speak though women also were partakers of the gift of prophecy. anyone annointed male or female should be respected because the Gift of the holy spirit for prophecy makes no distinction.
God has many different "Names" Jesus was Given His name By God, just like he did in the ot with angels
exodus 23:20-21 "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
same With Jesus God gave Him His name and sent Himn into the world as savior, it doesnt make the angel God in person, doesnt make Jesus God either Jesus came " In Gods name" Like the angel did to isreal come "in Gods name" with the power to pardon iniquities. the title of "Jesus Son of God "is the name above all names. Greater than angels who came in Gods name.
anyone truly of God will receive a name from God,
revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
who overcomes? 1 jOHN 5:5 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. ( just like those who overcome believing Jesus is the Son of God)
God will name us who are His children
exodus 23:20-21 "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
same With Jesus God gave Him His name and sent Himn into the world as savior, it doesnt make the angel God in person, doesnt make Jesus God either Jesus came " In Gods name" Like the angel did to isreal come "in Gods name" with the power to pardon iniquities. the title of "Jesus Son of God "is the name above all names. Greater than angels who came in Gods name.
anyone truly of God will receive a name from God,
revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
who overcomes? 1 jOHN 5:5 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. ( just like those who overcome believing Jesus is the Son of God)
God will name us who are His children
You followed the conversation, correct?
or are you just jumping in without following the conversation
sir, do you really believe that I owe you a response to any of your questions?
if you would like I could go back to every post where you skirted around the questions asked and list them
abd after you kindly respond to every question in the proper manner of answering a question directly, I will gladly answer you
until then, please do not respond to me
i have nothing to say to you
or are you just jumping in without following the conversation
sir, do you really believe that I owe you a response to any of your questions?
if you would like I could go back to every post where you skirted around the questions asked and list them
abd after you kindly respond to every question in the proper manner of answering a question directly, I will gladly answer you
until then, please do not respond to me
i have nothing to say to you