Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

preacher4truth · Jun 11, 2017

Apparently then, followjesus is following a "different" jesus. That explains a lot! All these lectures from him about reading the 4 gospels and obeying Jesus and he doesn't even have the right Jesus!

2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if someone comes and proclaims another/different Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

Jesus’ words in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, "I did not claim to be God." That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). JESUS IS GOD.

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.

The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)

Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.

John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and "the Word was God." John 1:14 says that "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].

Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" *The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in essence/nature; yet they are three distinct persons.

Good post. Yes, he would be worshiping a creature, not God, according to his unbiblical defining of Jesus.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

graceNpeace said:

So then God must Have been denying who Jeus is ? when He said Clearly " This is my beloved SON in whom i am well Pleased? id rather believe God was telling the truth about Jesus

and agree with God Himself the Father of Jesus our Lord. seems a wise Move ill remain in What God, His Son Jesus, Peter, paul, John, isaiah, martha, and the rest of the winesses in scripture say " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God"

if you want to say " thats a denial of Jesus " you are free to do so, its doesnt affect me in any way, thats more an issue you should look at. your judgement of me only shows How confused you are thinking it matters in any way what Judgement you make of me or anyone else who stays with the Belief that Jesus is the Only begotten of the Father, who is God alone, because thats what the Word of God says. the only Judgement that matters to me, is that Of Jesus christ the Son of the One true God, His Father.

who is Jesus Christ ? He is the Son of God and He is the Promised Christ who was sent By God, to save the World through Belief in the name of His Only begotten Son. -pretty simple stuff. when you have an issue with "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" its not the other person who needs to change anything. Im good right where I am I believe" Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" and thats the Only belief that offers eternal Life. I would encourage you to try to reach a point where " The name Jesus means the name of the Son of God" because thats whats there meant to believe and Hold fast to.

where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

do you know of any scriptures that say " these things are written that you should believe Jesus is God?"

john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< seems Jesus Gods Son understood His Father God is greater than Himself

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; andto my God, and your God. <<< seems Jesus believes that He has a God, who is His Father. does then the only God, have a God and Father?

Mark 16:19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God<<< seems Jesus sits at the right Hand of God, His Father

Luke 9:35 "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. seems God must be confused calling Jesus His Son according to your Logic ?

seems Peter is confused as well

2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

or maybe possibly, Jesus Is The Christ, the Son of God, and God is His Father and His God.

" I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; andto my God, and your God.'

you know maybe they all are denying " Jesus divinity" but i myself, will simply choos to believe Jesus My Lord.

john 14:1-2 " Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God,..... believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

i would humbly suggest , that you believe in the Name of Gods Only begotten Son, Jesus . but its your own decision.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

mailmandan said:

lol unbiblical hahaha you guys crack me up for sure thanks for that

1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Jesus baptism.

matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus transfigured

mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. ( Notice 3 witnesses of this on earth, peter James and john. and 3 witnesses in Heaven God, elijah and moses. ) then remember this

peters confirmation of Gods voice speaking this.
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount

the witness of the Son of God

mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"

John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."

the witness of the holy spirit, according to paul

romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"

the witness of the spirit according to John

1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." see the witness in us (1 john 5:9-12)

the witness of the apostles

Peters witness and Jesus it is blessed and comes from God.

matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven

the entire purpose of Johns Gospel

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Pauls witness to who He preached as Jesus

2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

the witnes of Hebrews

Hebrews 1:2-4 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"

the witness 2 more disciples

martha

john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

The ethiopien at His baptism

acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

the Son of God is worshipped.
matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

seems all this scrupture in the Bible sort of disagrees . but again, im just really Glad things are written so clearly and that mailman dans apparent "knowledge" and judgement seems to be as backwards as one can Get. unbiblical haha the Bible defines jesus very clearly " He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" "that gospel of the grace of Christ teaching really has twisted minds.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

beta said:

amen Just appreciation for the fact that you believe scripture, and dont try re defining it

as is probably pretty apparent...many do that in a place such as the bdf . usually those who stick to scripture, in the bdf, are pretty much rejected by those with the Idea, thay have figured out something and refuse to Hear and see. thats why i appreciate what the Lord makes evidant in your words.

God bless and praise Be unto God, through the name Lord Jesus Christ, His Only begotten Son !!

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

miknik5 said:

Ive answered all the questions i have seen, but really this isnt a grilling of me having to answer anyones " questions" the op is pretty evident in itself. and its Just a circle with some of You guys one question, leads to another, to another...But the thing is some of You seem to disregard all the scripture ive used thats also in your own Bibles and daoent take a speacial Lens to undrstand. as far as bluto ive responded 2 times but its a waste of time apparently to show you all the scriptures because some of you have a wierd " i need to prove the othr guys all wrong because i have the special understanding, who needs scripture" type mindset.

its Just a circle of wuestions and then not accepting the answers which i always use scripture. and then get responses that have obviouslt disregarded them and labeled them " unbiblical" lol and then leads to some other off base question. Let me ask you a question

" Is Jesus the Only begotten Son of God that God sent into the World to save us and offer eternal Life to those who believe in the name of Gods Only begotten Son, the name Jesus >? "

if you answer yes, then why is it so apparently offensive to you folks to say such a thing?

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

mailmandan said:

"John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? "

The answer to your question

john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

the same reason in your example, but you dont see it because you are plucking one verse, which is what the inbelieving jews though, and Not what Jesus actually was saying

John 10:33-33-36 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (<< your looking at this and omitting this >>>)34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

the issue with understanding many display here is trying to let your mind define things based on one verse rather than seeing whats being said. to the Jews to make the claim " I am the Son of God" was blasphemous. its the very reason Jesus was crucifed because He said I am Gods Son.

mark 14:6-65 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. 65And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their hands.

doesnt it strike you as strange How I am holding to " Jesus is the Son of God, and you guys are all accusing me of not getting it and blasphemy, and denial of who Jesus is? sort of resembles How the jews received jesus claim to be " The Son of God" but maybe thats just unbiblical ? because its written in the Bible and possibly offends your thinking that Jesus is the Christ and Son of God?

seems that phrase encites certain folks to " round up the posse, grab the torches and nooses, saddle the horses" Kind of Like the Jews who rejected His claim to be Gods Son Gathered up to condemn Him for saying such a thing. until you can accept " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" and not need to argue that fact, it seems like to me anyways, and im not your Judge, that you may need to re assess your conviction that God doesnt Have a Son that He sent into the World to save mankind. just based on this scripture

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

doesnt that Kind of at least make you consider " God has an only begotten Son, that He sent to save the World ? and also that its pretty important to accept it being that the person who refuses that truth is already condemned? because they do not believe the name of Gods only begotten Son?

im not really understanding where you guys find offense in such straight forward clear in context scriptures and end up thinking its not biblical. If you look in your Bible, i bet it says the same thing.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

preacher4truth said:

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

do you believe that God sent His only begotten Son to save the World? and that those who do not believe in the name of Gods Only begotten Son are already condemned?

given all the scripture that confirms this in the Holy bible ? its strange that its unbiblical when Its so plainly written so many times........id encourage you to first believe the above scriptures and then attempt to make them "unbiblical because you dont agree with them" it shows alot of adjustment to be made when we deny the foundation. because we have learned something else, and refuse to acknowledge the Bible as biblical.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

BenFTW said:

it is to Believe in Jesus and the Gospel He spoke into the World. His word is Gods Word, Gods Word has this Power " God said let there be Light...and Light began to shine"

Jesus Word is Life. is is new Birth and transforms our Mind and Heart. Obedience comes Because of things Like this

mathew 7:24-27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

When we simply believe Jesus Words and dont cme up with reasons they dont apply to us, Gods Word works in us to sever the things that arent acceptable to God from Our minds anbd Hearts, and creates minds that think Like Jesus. Jesus came not only to die for our sins, He came to teach us How to think Like a child of God. as we persevere in Belief Gods Word does the Work in Us, God has always done his work by speaking it.

its why Jesus says this so many times

john 7:16-17 "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, ....or whether I speak of myself.

john 12:48-49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

john 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

just a very few examples of Jesus saying this Our part is to accept the Gospel with faith, understand Jesus was sent By God to teach us the truth from God as He says (john 17:8, john 17:17) when we see things like " obey my word" which he says so much or like the "wise and foolish Builders teaching" to believe Him creates a mind and Heart that believes unto righteousness. because Gods Word, spoken By Jesus is " spirit and life" (John 6:63) were supposed to believe in Jesus, because if we do, we will abviously take His word to heart, and that is the Power of God to change the things in us that need to change. Gods Power is always expressed in What He says. thats why Jesus makes the Point so often " My word is not mine, But its Gods word who sent me. its not only in the gospel, its in the apostles and the prophets that God would send Jesus with His words, and that we are to believe them .

some will see His words as condemning them, others will accept His words as a Gift from God and be full of Joy to accept them as God teaching us His ways. some see death in Gods word because they Love thier selves and thier desires more than what God is saying His will is. others Have accepted that Jesus suffered and died for them, and His words are Life because He is the Lord and He says they are.

our only part is to Believe Jesus because we believe in Him and Gods word creates in us, and transforms who we werem to who we are when we are in Christ.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

miknik5 said:

I dont Have a Son.

But where does a child come from? the seed of His Father correct? Yea Jesus was Born of Gods Spirit, because God is His Father. but as you and others have said " Jesus had the nature of man, and the nature of God" << one thing you have correct.

we when we are born Human children have the spirit of man in us from Birth. were clearly told that through true Faith In Jesus Christ, we will receive the Spirit Of God. at that point we also Have 2 natures that of man, and that Of God Living in us. its the Whole purpose of Paul saying " follow the spirit and Live, put to death the old man by following the spirit"

Jesus had the spirit of Man Like we do, and the spirit of God Jesus took the spirit of man perfectly to the cross because He lived Hois life following Gods spirit or " nature". and denying the mans spirit or "nature"

the spirit of Jesus the Christ, is what Leads us to receive the spirit of God and thus be born of God and called His children.

miknik5 · Jun 11, 2017

I feel a need to tell you that I don't read your posts anymore
you put together a slew of scriptures and your posts are full and wordy but you never respond to the questions asked you

a father's spirit does not pass down to his son

that isn't a truth

and a father and a son do not share 1 spirit

your logic does not work when it comes to THE TRUTH of GOD

GOD is SPIRIT and HE never had a physical fleshly form until THE WORD which came forth from
GOD was made flesh

bluto · Jun 11, 2017

followjesus said:

This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."

For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.

Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.

Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"

At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.

What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.

In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.

How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"

Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

mailmandan · Jun 11, 2017

bluto said:

This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."

For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.

Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.

Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"

At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.

What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.

In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.

How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"

Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Amen! Excellent post!

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

miknik5 said:

I feel a need to tell you that I don't read your posts anymore
you put together a slew of scriptures and your posts are full and wordy but you never respond to the questions asked you

a father's spirit does not pass down to his son

that isn't a truth

and a father and a son do not share 1 spirit

your logic does not work when it comes to THE TRUTH of GOD

GOD is SPIRIT and HE never had a physical fleshly form until THE WORD which came forth from
GOD was made flesh

okay thats wonderful, it saves a bunch of nonsense, thank you and God Bless

Grandpa · Jun 11, 2017

BenFTW said:

Romans 12:1-2
[FONT=&quot]1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.[/FONT]

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

bluto said:

no im asking for the scripture that says "Jesus is God" not you peicing it together. something Like the hundreds ive shared with you saying ": Jesus is the Christ, the son of God" im not asking for you to interpret scattered verses.

" God with us" is a reference to the holy Ghost " God with us"

Jesus name is very Clear. Je is the Christ, the Son of God" why is it that in order to explain how "Jesus is God" yopu cant find the scripture of anyone sayoing Clearly " Jesus is God? or that " Unless someone believes that Jesus is God...."

its because you are trying to connect dots and not simply believing the truth of the contect of this very clear and no need to peice together or explain scriptur, the same plain point that is repeatedthrough scripture

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Where then is the issue you have with acknowledging that God Sent His only Son?

why does paul explain this again like usually really clearly ?

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

why do these apostles continually refer to Jesus as the Christ and Son of God? why do you suppose they dont say " when the time Had come, God came forth Himself, made of a woman, made under Law? are the apostles who certainly understand more than you or I trying to trick us into not getting it?

you or no other person should ever be offended that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" thats the message of Gods Salvation. that He sent His Son into the World, Gave Him all things, all men, all the world as his inheritance being His Son. He gave Him all power Just as He God the Father has gave Him the power and authority. and why is it repeated over and over things just Like john 3:16...speaking directly and clearly about the Son of God , Jesus Christ? why the roos by God to come and pretend He is His own Son, and talk to an imaginary voice in Heven, call it " My Father" ?

Why does Gopds voice explicitely say of Jesus " This is My son" more than Once? why is peters answer to Jesus asking who am I? " You are the christ, the Son of the Living God? and why does Jesus immediatly respond " blessed are you...that is not taught to you by men, but by My Father who is in Heaven? why doesnt the scripture Just say

Jesus is God there is no Father Who is God it was Just Jesus calling Himself His father? or Just Jesus throwing Hos voice into Heaven to convice people that He was Gods Son? its very simple if you cant Believe that God sent is One and Only son Jesus Christ, to save the World through faith in THE NAME OF GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" there is no promise of eternal Life in the Bible. thats why all the apostles, why Jesus, Why God the Father, why all the accounts of His followers all remain in the truth that ": Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

its not a trick , it is a problem not for me to believe God sent His Son whos name is Jesus, i just believe what He said all through scripture the stuff that doesnt rewuire half a verse here, connected to another verse there.

i choose to believe and will remain and encourage others to not go beyond what is written. and i dont believe the catholic view of Jesus being God , I believe the Bibles clear repeated and not mistakable message of "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" no reason to disbelieve it when its God saying it

1 john 5:1-Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

see how scruipture like this doesnt need me to pluck one verse and then send you to romans to understand it? but its really simply put on its own? show me anything like that that says " Jesus is God" but again, just use the scriptures in the context of just whats there. again another perfect example...notice again how the scripture Just says what it says

1 john 5:9-If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1

1And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

see the difference? how its Just straight forward ? no interpretation required?

again an example of any 1 verse that makes a statement with no interpretation or explaination required

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. ( there you have the meaning of "emmanuel"

To accept the truth " God sent Hois Only begotten Son into the World to save man, is eternal Life. its not found anywhere else.

I encourage you to just accept scripture and not worry about proving your thoughts by connecting things that are actually meant to be clear to you that : Jesus is the Christ, The Son of God" but to me this is a ridiculous argument, the op was already pretty clearly meant to do this

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. << again doesnt rewuire anything but to believe whats plainly clearly there.

simplest question Known to mankind in the Bible

Who is Jesus? answer " He is the Christ, the Son of God and eternal Life is found in that belief"

i ask you again " who is Jesus ?

Grace777x70 · Jun 11, 2017

Revelation 1:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

That is who Jesus Christ our Lord is. He reigns as one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

Grandpa said:

How do we "abide"...."John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

....a few verses later v9-11 "As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

Zi · Jun 11, 2017

Agreed! He was given the highest name by His Father BC He completed His assignment, now He gets to claim all titles.. He was destined before the foundation so yeah, He's always been the first and last...

followjesus said:

no im asking for the scripture that says "Jesus is God" not you peicing it together. something Like the hundreds ive shared with you saying ": Jesus is the Christ, the son of God" im not asking for you to interpret scattered verses.

" God with us" is a reference to the holy Ghost " God with us"

Jesus name is very Clear. Je is the Christ, the Son of God" why is it that in order to explain how "Jesus is God" yopu cant find the scripture of anyone sayoing Clearly " Jesus is God? or that " Unless someone believes that Jesus is God...."

its because you are trying to connect dots and not simply believing the truth of the contect of this very clear and no need to peice together or explain scriptur, the same plain point that is repeatedthrough scripture

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Where then is the issue you have with acknowledging that God Sent His only Son?

why does paul explain this again like usually really clearly ?

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

why do these apostles continually refer to Jesus as the Christ and Son of God? why do you suppose they dont say " when the time Had come, God came forth Himself, made of a woman, made under Law? are the apostles who certainly understand more than you or I trying to trick us into not getting it?

you or no other person should ever be offended that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" thats the message of Gods Salvation. that He sent His Son into the World, Gave Him all things, all men, all the world as his inheritance being His Son. He gave Him all power Just as He God the Father has gave Him the power and authority. and why is it repeated over and over things just Like john 3:16...speaking directly and clearly about the Son of God , Jesus Christ? why the roos by God to come and pretend He is His own Son, and talk to an imaginary voice in Heven, call it " My Father" ?

Why does Gopds voice explicitely say of Jesus " This is My son" more than Once? why is peters answer to Jesus asking who am I? " You are the christ, the Son of the Living God? and why does Jesus immediatly respond " blessed are you...that is not taught to you by men, but by My Father who is in Heaven? why doesnt the scripture Just say

Jesus is God there is no Father Who is God it was Just Jesus calling Himself His father? or Just Jesus throwing Hos voice into Heaven to convice people that He was Gods Son? its very simple if you cant Believe that God sent is One and Only son Jesus Christ, to save the World through faith in THE NAME OF GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" there is no promise of eternal Life in the Bible. thats why all the apostles, why Jesus, Why God the Father, why all the accounts of His followers all remain in the truth that ": Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

its not a trick , it is a problem not for me to believe God sent His Son whos name is Jesus, i just believe what He said all through scripture the stuff that doesnt rewuire half a verse here, connected to another verse there.

i choose to believe and will remain and encourage others to not go beyond what is written. and i dont believe the catholic view of Jesus being God , I believe the Bibles clear repeated and not mistakable message of "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" no reason to disbelieve it when its God saying it

1 john 5:1-Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

see how scruipture like this doesnt need me to pluck one verse and then send you to romans to understand it? but its really simply put on its own? show me anything like that that says " Jesus is God" but again, just use the scriptures in the context of just whats there. again another perfect example...notice again how the scripture Just says what it says

1 john 5:9-If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1

1And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

see the difference? how its Just straight forward ? no interpretation required?

again an example of any 1 verse that makes a statement with no interpretation or explaination required

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. ( there you have the meaning of "emmanuel"

To accept the truth " God sent Hois Only begotten Son into the World to save man, is eternal Life. its not found anywhere else.

I encourage you to just accept scripture and not worry about proving your thoughts by connecting things that are actually meant to be clear to you that : Jesus is the Christ, The Son of God" but to me this is a ridiculous argument, the op was already pretty clearly meant to do this

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. << again doesnt rewuire anything but to believe whats plainly clearly there.

simplest question Known to mankind in the Bible

Who is Jesus? answer " He is the Christ, the Son of God and eternal Life is found in that belief"

i ask you again " who is Jesus ?

Zi · Jun 11, 2017

This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God..

bluto said:

This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."

For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.

Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.

Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"

At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.

What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.

In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.

How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"

Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

followjesus · Jun 11, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

so Jesus is not the Only begotten Son of God?

Sure He remains one with God His Father, and according to all the explainations you constantly give on other subjects....arentyou also One with Jesus? who is One with God? does that make you God?

john 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

your consistant "teaching" Jesus lives in us and does the works.....so because He is in you, are you Jesus? that seems to be the idea of Being One with?

john 14:At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. ( does this make you God?) >>>>> and also 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

seems Like Jesus being One with God, doesnt mean He is God the father, just Like a believer being One with Jesus and God, doesnt make the believer God or Jesus.

it seems you guys are terrified of the confession " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" so you have to avoid it at all costs and explain from obscurity that He is not the Son of God. again pretty CLear stuff

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

who is the Only begotten Son of God? whats His name?

Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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