Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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A keyword instantly came to mind. Perhaps God wants me to focus on it in my post? The keyword is "blasphemer".

According to scripture, the Jews considered a blasphemer to be a person (created being) who claims to have the authority of God, particularly in forgiving sins. We know that only God can forgive sins, not a created being.

The pharisees believed Jesus to be a mere man and therefore wrongfully accused him of blaspheming...


John 10:31-33: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”


Mark 2:5-12: "When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”


Without the very real biblical incarnation of Christ (where God took on flesh and dwelt among us), Jesus would only be a mere man, a created being, with no authority, because no created being can forgive sins.

Jesus said that one will come after Him (Antichrist), who will be a created being, a true blasphemer, claiming to have authority as God on earth, an imitator of Jesus, and he will be accepted. Yet they rejected Jesus. There is a contrast shown here between Jesus and Antichrist. One is the Creator and the other a created being. One has authority to forgive sins but the other doesn't. One was rejected but the other will be accepted.


John 5:43: "I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive"

2 Thess 2:3-4: "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin (Antichrist) is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God (blasphemer)"


John 1:1-3: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made"

John 8:57-59: Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


John 1:14-18: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’” And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him"

Colossians 1:15-18: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence"

"According to scripture, the Jews considered a blasphemer to be a person (created being) who claims to have the authority of God, particularly in forgiving sins. We know that only God can forgive sins, not a created being.

The pharisees believed Jesus to be a mere man and therefore wrongfully accused him of blaspheming..."

john 5:27- 30 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


how is it its so hard for people to Believe that God sent His only Son toi save us, and Gave Him all athority to do so, including forgiving Sins? when scripture is all about Jesus Being given all Gods Power and authority because He is Gods Only Son? and also because He is the Christ ( son of man)??

john 3:34-36 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


if you were to read a few verses past your "example" you would find this

john 10:33-36 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. ( the jews are saying He is making Himself God)

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

This may Helo understand that Better, because it happened again Here

john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

to the Jews, to say " I am the Son of God" was a blasphemous statement. because it Would make Him equal to God, Bieng the Son of God. so you can take the Jews who didnt believe and were trying to stone Him multiple times or Just accept that God sent His one and Only Son, into the world to save us, i choose to believe Jesus. The Son of God. understanding that God has Given all things into the hand of His son, including Judgement and forgiveness because He came to die for those God gave to Him as an inheritance

psalms 2:7-8 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[followjesus]

one baptism
One God
One Lord
One Spirit (Not two)

and it's only through The Son that we have access to The Father by One Spirit (Not two)

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

seems Jesus is the Christ and Son of God ill stay right there with my belief, and encourage others to consider that God sent his Only Son to save us, through Belief in Jesus, the christ and Son of God.

 

[miknik5]

"According to scripture, the Jews considered a blasphemer to be a person (created being) who claims to have the authority of God, particularly in forgiving sins. We know that only God can forgive sins, not a created being.

The pharisees believed Jesus to be a mere man and therefore wrongfully accused him of blaspheming..."

john 5:27- 30 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


how is it its so hard for people to Believe that God sent His only Son toi save us, and Gave Him all athority to do so, including forgiving Sins? when scripture is all about Jesus Being given all Gods Power and authority because He is Gods Only Son? and also because He is the Christ ( son of man)??

john 3:34-36 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


if you were to read a few verses past your "example" you would find this

john 10:33-36 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. ( the jews are saying He is making Himself God)

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

This may Helo understand that Better, because it happened again Here

john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

to the Jews, to say " I am the Son of God" was a blasphemous statement. because it Would make Him equal to God, Bieng the Son of God. so you can take the Jews who didnt believe and were trying to stone Him multiple times or Just accept that God sent His one and Only Son, into the world to save us, i choose to believe Jesus. The Son of God. understanding that God has Given all things into the hand of His son, including Judgement and forgiveness because He came to die for those God gave to Him as an inheritance

psalms 2:7-8 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

It isn't hard to believe that GOD sent HIS SON
What is hard to believe is that some subtle imply that there is somehow two gods

when there isn't

 

[followjesus]

It isn't hard to believe that GOD sent HIS SON
What is hard to believe is that some subtle imply that there is somehow two gods

when there isn't

There is 1 God, the Father of Our Lord JESUS Christ. ive never impled anything else, possibly its a perception issue not actually seeing what im saying.

did you miss this comment directly above yours?

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. there is no other. God Is His Father the God of israel, Jesus is the Promised Christ. who the prophets began long ago saying " God will send the redeemer, the Lord the Holy one of isreal. the servant of isaiah 53, the Prophet Moses Promised in deuteronomy 18 who Would speak Gods Living Words, the One who would bring the wells of Living water in us through Faith in him of isaiah and psalms, the Root of Jesse, the bright Morning star, the King God promised to sit on davids throne, the One God says " I will decree the decree " you are my Son, today i have beggoten Thee.in the 2nd psalm, the One who would be annointed with the spirit of the Living God in isaiah, the One who would not only save isreal and Bring them back to God, but who would save the gentiles by Bringing them to God, who would Be Gods salvation to the ends of the earth. the seed of arbraham, who would bless all nations...you know...the Messiah, the one sent of God promised through the ages through all the prophets and the Law ? Jesus, the Christ and Son of God. the One the Bible is all about??? Jesus the Son of God eternal like His Father, divine, Like His Father Our One God, the Only God and Father of Jesus His Son. its not as complex as the circles you are going in.

One God. Jesus Christ His Son, and the Holy spirit who is sent from God, into us, through Jesus the One all those scriptures are pointing to. easy simple stuff. God the Father, Jesus His Only Begotten Son, and We who are begotten through Faith in the Son of God and receive the Holy spirit= eternal Life. its as simple as Believing this.


John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.....which was pretty much assured by the op, still dont understand the difficulty of some in accepting it. its not as if i wrote the scriptures.......Just sharing the message Of Gods Only begotten Son, which is the One Christian Faith. you folks are who are trying to make 2 Gods. Jesus is the Son of the Only true God and He is the Promised christ by whom we receive the Holy spirit.

 

[miknik5]

There is 1 God, the Father of Our Lord JESUS Christ. ive never impled anything else, possibly its a perception issue not actually seeing what im saying.

did you miss this comment directly above yours?

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. there is no other. God Is His Father the God of israel, Jesus is the Promised Christ. who the prophets began long ago saying " God will send the redeemer, the Lord the Holy one of isreal. the servant of isaiah 53, the Prophet Moses Promised in deuteronomy 18 who Would speak Gods Living Words, the One who would bring the wells of Living water in us through Faith in him of isaiah and psalms, the Root of Jesse, the bright Morning star, the King God promised to sit on davids throne, the One God says " I will decree the decree " you are my Son, today i have beggoten Thee.in the 2nd psalm, the One who would be annointed with the spirit of the Living God in isaiah, the One who would not only save isreal and Bring them back to God, but who would save the gentiles by Bringing them to God, who would Be Gods salvation to the ends of the earth. the seed of arbraham, who would bless all nations...you know...the Messiah, the one sent of God promised through the ages through all the prophets and the Law ? Jesus, the Christ and Son of God. the One the Bible is all about??? Jesus the Son of God eternal like His Father, divine, Like His Father Our One God, the Only God and Father of Jesus His Son. its not as complex as the circles you are going in.

One God. Jesus Christ His Son, and the Holy spirit who is sent from God, into us, through Jesus the One all those scriptures are pointing to. easy simple stuff. God the Father, Jesus His Only Begotten Son, and We who are begotten through Faith in the Son of God and receive the Holy spirit= eternal Life. its as simple as Believing this.


John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.....which was pretty much assured by the op, still dont understand the difficulty of some in accepting it. its not as if i wrote the scriptures.......Just sharing the message Of Gods Only begotten Son, which is the One Christian Faith. you folks are who are trying to make 2 Gods. Jesus is the Son of the Only true God and He is the Promised christ by whom we receive the Holy spirit.

I didn't miss anything at all
I know there is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT

 

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Is there something in my post you don't get:
The word begotten does not mean created through sex in the Greek - it means unique.

The OP does NOT believe in the divinity, or eternal nature, of Jesus Christ - hence the thread - he believes that Jesus was created.

where do you get such a false statement about what i believe, that is your statement not mine. are you perhaps holding a grudge because the gog has lied and Grace doesnt mean theres no need to obey Jesus?

i think possibly its you who cant accept that god sent His only begotten as the BIBLE SAYS he did read carefully

john 3:16-For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God


i think your issue is with what scripture says of the only begotten Son of God , maybe open up the Word of God and realize the op is mostly scripture that you are so set against. How is your logic about the word " begotten" looking ? the Bible says "God sent Hos only begotten Son that those Who believe in Him may Have eternal Life" maybe think it through. just my own belief though.

 

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I didn't miss anything at all
I know there is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT

Yeah One Holy Ghost One spirit of Jesus. look here

1 john 5: 5-8 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. <<< God the Father, His Word, and the holy Ghost.8And there are three that bear witness in earth, ....the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


look back to v 6[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]...[/FONT]This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

The spirit of Jesus bears witness.

three in Heaven, the Father, the WORD and the Holy Ghost

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So Who is the Word made flesh? that came from Heaven, was one with God?

and who is the One who came By water, blood and spirit?

and finally Who is it that made the Promise to send the Holy Ghost who is in Heaven One with God?

the answer as you probably Know is Jesus, the only Begotten Son of God.

God the Father the Holy Ghost. in Heaven.

Jesus His Son, the spirit of truth. On earth.

Jesus perfected mans spirit, walking in the spirit and not the flesh nature.

thats why Paul says this

romans 8:16 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: << notice 2 spirits?

when you guys are saying " Jesus had two natures" you are right, but when we receive the Holy spirit we also are given another nature the spirit.

Look what Jesus says here

John 14: 23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


do you understand that Jesus was speaking Gods Word?

if so, you should understand this

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

and then this

john 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
and then realize this

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The word of God is truth, the Holy ghost comes through that spirit. because Jesus is saying " keep my words, and i will ask the father and He will send the Holy Ghost.


you are right both Father and son share 1 spirit, and so do those who recieve the Son, and because they do, the Father is in Him.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

do you see how the Holy ghost only comes through Jesus from God the father and it comes into us because of faith? How receiving the One spirit of Jesus, Brings the One Holy ghost from the Father, in Him and in Us?

 

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Let me get this straight followjesus when you said, "try not to make this a belief and rewuirement for anyone even if your own belief is that Jesus is God, because that Belief is not what is written for Christians to believe and confess. and in a way, its borderline denying that God has a Son. yet " the confession Jesus is the Son of God is approved and required belief that offers eternal Life. think it over. God has a Son His name Is Jesus. <<< tell people about Gods Only begotten, thats who God is telling us about."

You cannot deny the deity of Jesus Christ and be a Christian so why are you telling us to "try and not tell somebody that Jesus Christ is not God?" And yes, it is written in the Bible very clearly that Jesus Christ is God. You even quoted Thomas at John 20:28 and you also quoted Isaiah 9:6 but yet you act as if has nothing to do with anything, why? It has everything to do with everything.

What your basically doing is withholding Biblical evidence from others by saying what you said in your last paragraph, " the only truth of who is Jesus....is very plain and consistant for salvation and all the blessing of God, to believe in the name of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son." Who is teaching you this stuff? In fact, one of the very first things you should tell people is the fact that Jesus Christ is God. Why would you want to withold (in your mind) this meaningful piece of information? Unbelievable! PS: And just to cover my "butt" am I missing something here? I mean do you personally believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

the issue is people dont Believe Gods son is eternal, i do. never said any different. you see a denial thats not there

this statement " Jesus is the Christ and the Only begotten Son of God" <<<Christian faith and eternal Life. you see a denial of Jesus divinity, i see eternal Life and no other belief will bring it.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


let me ask you this...Does God have a one and only begotten Son>???? and Is His name Jesus?

Jesus is not the Father He is Gods Only Son

this is very clear

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father,... of whom are all things, and we in him; ....and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ephesians 1:2-3 "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

i think you have an issue with accepting that God Has a Son, who He sent from Heaven to earth, and then received Him back into Heaven.

john 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

rather than my " issue" with saying " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God." which maybe if people would first take into consideration, allllllll of the scripture im agreeing with and will never change because thers no need to change that belief, arguments like this could be avoided, and also if folks wouldnt say things im not saying and argue with what they are saying.....saying thats what im saying lol when I am simply sharing some scriptures to clarify WHO Jesus is


also maybe consider this

KJV "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

rather than this
niv "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, "

now this

"Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father,and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

because it fits much clearer with this .....

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father,... of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

then maybe this would not offend you

acts 2:33-35 " Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

its best to let scripture, define scripture so that e dont get off track and miss this fact
1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

which was the whole importance of the op yo begin with Gods Son Jesus, is the Only place you will ever find a promise of eternal Life in scripture...im good with staying right there, hope you and others will consider Gods witness of Hos son and the record He gave. its very important and the Christian faith.

God bless

 

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You forget where in the same scripture it states He is the Almighty,not the Somemighty,but the Almighty.

Are you saying Jesus is a created God,for only the humanity of Jesus was made of a woman,but Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so according to His deity has no beginning.

The Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

God said,there was no God formed before Him,and there shall be no God formed after Him,and there is no such thing as a created god,for God means supreme being,and a created god would not be a supreme being.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

When the Son comes He will be from everlasting,no beginning.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Son's deity will be God.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is more than a visible God,but He is an invisible Spirit that no person will ever see.

There was no God formed before God,and there shall be no God formed after Him,and the Son is called the mighty God,called the Almighty in Revelation,God manifest in the flesh,will be from everlasting,no beginning.

"Jesus is God,and He cannot be a created God,for there was no God formed after God.

a diety"

that seems more like Logic, than spirit. Kind of Like the jews who thought " God couldnt possibly Have a Son" maybe consider this

john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. <<< this some people miss about Jewish culture.

Jesus claim was to Be Gods Son, to the Jews who saw God on the Moiunt flaming fire and thunder and Lightning a dark cloud of terror. the God of isreal, to say I am the begotten Son of God was blasphemous, because Jesus was in the form of a man saying " I am the son of God.

in fact this is why Jesus was crucified for blasphemy

mark 14:61-64 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

the importance of the distinction is much

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


so whats the question? and whats the answer?

who is Jesus ? The Christ, the Son of the Living God. thats in noi way a denial of Jesus eternal Nature, its Just the truth of Christianity God Has One begotten, His name is Jesus. He was with God before the creation, went to God after His resurrection and is sitting even Now at the right Hand of God advocating for us. its not an argument that anyone can go against really, its Just the foundational belief in all of our faith, God sent Hos only begotten Son to save the World according to scripture, its Just what is written simply, and doesnt take us out thinking or figuring it out, it just takes belief.

so i encourage you, to share the message of Gods One and Only begotten Son because that is the message that saves souls.

john 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 john 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

philippinans 1:2 "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, ....and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 thessolonians 1:2 "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father ....and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; ....AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 corinthians 1:3 "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless

 

[followjesus]

The problem with these debates is that people tend to shotgun each other with dozens of scriptures at once. This makes dialogue and responses to various arguments near impossible to deal with. What ever happened to the simple back and forth Q&A?

that together with 10 different translations of the Bible. and the twisting of what someone says and accusations based on the twisting.

 

[followjesus]

Jesus is God


/endthread

the Holy Bible.....

1 john 4:14-15 "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

You....

Jesus is God.....

the Holy Bible....

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

you

Jesus is God....

Th Holy Bible....

cts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


seems The One true God, sent His One true and Only begotten Son to save us...end of thread

 

[followjesus]

He does deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ (this thread); and because of that
The cross is complete foolishness to him (penultimate thread)!

His theology can be summed up as following and obeying the words of Jesus (the red letters) - works theology.
More detail:
He has figured out that somehow what Jesus achieved was to nullify(incorrect obviously since Jesus fulfilled it) the requirements of the Mosaic Covenant and in his theology we now just follow the red letters of Jesus as recorded in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John.
In other words replace one set of rules with a new set of rules!
More detail:
In followjesus' theology the reason Jesus had to die on the cross and shed His blood was in order to "seal" His word and make it "binding."
Obviously, if he understood the Divinity of Jesus Christ, then He would realise that Jesus words do NOT need "self-sealing" (this sounds like something one goes to the hardware store to find!). They stand!

The person, divinity, and work of Jesus Christ he currently denies all the Biblical truths here.
That is the reason why he denies the essential ruth of the cross and the absolutely central position of the cross in what it means to be Christian!

We should pray for him, that the Holy Spirit would illuminate both his spirit and his mind!

"Yep, followjesus definitely has some strange beliefs:"

they seem strange to you because they are written in Gods word and not a grace revolution book

the Holy bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

you Begotten implies denial of Jesus

the Holy Bible ...

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

you...

thats a strange belief to stick With....

God....

1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

you...strange thinking....

peter who walked on water with the Lord Jesus

matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven


you...thats preposterous....


im ok on the prayer, thanks anyways you should consider believing in Jesu Christ, the Only begotten Son of God though, its what Being a christians is built upon. it seems as if Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God ill stick with that belief, though it strikes you as strange lol it occurs to me also this seemed strange to you

john 14:23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine,..... but the Father's which sent me.

I would first work on accepting that God sent His son into the world, until thats not a strange belief to you.

 

[followjesus]

You don't believe Jesus is God?

I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Thats Christianity and the Only real question that matters.

I believe He was with God before the creation because thats what He says.

I believe that He was sent into the World, to save the World, and returned Back to where He came from, because thats what He says.

I believe there is no other Name under Heaven by which men can be saved but the name of Gods Only begotten Son Jesus.

I believe there is One God and One Son of God. the Christ and Lord Jesus.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.I believe that Jesus is the Christ promised from the time of Moses, and the Son of God promised form the prophets foreward. and more than that, i believe that is the undeniable truth that will save or condemn. But my beliefs are based on scripture, Like the op kind of i thought would be very agred with, instead i found out that not very many folks believe that "God sent His Only begotten Son, that whosoever Believes in Him might have eternal Life...because they believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God." but maybe its not believable to some, that God has a Son......islam sure denies it.

I just choose to believe the Gospel and Go with that because My Faith resides in Jesus. so to each His own i guess. but ill continue believing and encouraging others to believe in the Only begotten Son of God, the One God sent to save us. and i ll always use plenty of very clear scripture because i believe it to be true

God bless sister....

 

[followjesus]

While I can't say that I am aware of 'followjesus' saying that but even if he does my answer would still be no, not really, 'followjesus' seems sincere in the truth of his beliefs. Thus, he is justified by faith.

But if he does, there is plenty of scripture that would support that belief.

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20

However, the following was written of him who was born of a barren woman;

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

But in regards to the references of his birth (the start of life as a physically separate being.)

• Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Matthew 2:1
• For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11
• Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.John 18:37

naw i wasnt saying most of the things some are claiming here, my point of this op was very simple and has a ton of scripture to support it, which is why the op has so many witnesses in scripture saying " Jesus is the Only begotten of the Father" its just a perception issue happens daily on this site because many are here to argue and tell others they are wrong.

My belief is that He was always With God before the creation ( Jesus says this more than Once) and God sent Him into the world ( scripture repetadly says this) to be born of mary ( scripture says this ot and new) in order to redeem us from the fall of adam which is sin and death ( scripture says this repeatedly as well) sending His only Son ( which scripture identifies as Jesus exclusively as Gods S0on and makes Plain that is the belief that offers eternal Life as referenced more than the op probably 2 times more than i left) Jesus the Only son of God sent from Heaven to be born of mary to teach us the ways of God, and then die to redeem us from sin was always Gods Plan for mankind. ( He was slain from the foundation)

its just the forums and how they work in the bdf, people are more here to defend thier beliefs even if scripture clearly should be correcting us, the op is very accurate Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God according to the Bible, not something i invented, something i believe.

isaiah 49 :1-Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. ( Luke 1:29-34)
2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; ( hebrews 4:12, John 12:49-50, deut 18:18) in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; ( Jesus was always with God, but not revealed until the gospel at His birth)
3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, ( isaish 53) O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. (john 13:31, john 17:1)
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought,( matt 27:46) and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.( john 17:4)
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, ( john 3:35, john 5:20) and my God shall be my strength.(john 20:17)
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. ( mark 4:14-15, john 10:16)
7Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel,.... and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, (isiaiah 53,) to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

psalm 2:7-12 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. ( matthew 3:17, matthew 17:5)
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (john 13:3, john 5:22)
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; ( isaiah 11:4) thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. ( John 3:16, john 14:1)


isaiah 11:1-4 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; ( john 1:33)
3And shall make him of quick understanding ( john 8:28 john 6:63) in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, ( matthew 5:6,Luke 4:18) and reprove ( john 3:20)with equity for the meek of the earth( matthew 5:5) and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, ( john 12 :48) and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. ...


Jesus is the Son of God , the only begotten of God, the promised Christ from ages before. Thats my only point...theres nothing in the bible that says " you must believe that Jesus is God, or you go and teach others that Jesus is God the father" it just doesnt exist in scripture is my point. there are obscure references, and certain translations confuse, but the message of salvation is that Jesus is the Christ, the Only begotten of the Father.


anything beyond that, is not found in my words, just common actions from those who disbelieve anything the gospel actually says in the bible and insist, it has nothing to do with what Jesus the Son of God, actually said.

God bless you Z

 

[followjesus]

So how many of you reading this believe that this man has the glory of God?

I want to see if if there is any member that believes you have the glory of God.

it doesnt matter which of us thinks he does or doesnt, the only persons "Opinion" that matters is that of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

 

[beta]

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

seems Jesus is the Christ and Son of God ill stay right there with my belief, and encourage others to consider that God sent his Only Son to save us, through Belief in Jesus, the christ and Son of God.

I agree ! in scripture we see a definite ORDER - whether of 'authority or of 'submission...everyone having either to 'maintain or 'attain to' the position God grants.
WE (people/christians/gentiles/anybody willing Acts 10v35)) are in the process of being shaped and formed to fit into certain positions Jesus is now preparing for us Joh 14v2 and those who measure up will be accepted and those who don't (fall short) will be rejected.
Our position is to become 'obedient to Christ as HE had to learn obedience to His Father even unto death Heb 5v8,9.
Christians have not yet learned to walk with Jesus 24/7 !!!

 

[followjesus]

I agree ! in scripture we see a definite ORDER - whether of 'authority or of 'submission...everyone having either to 'maintain or 'attain to' the position God grants.
WE (people/christians/gentiles/anybody willing Acts 10v35)) are in the process of being shaped and formed to fit into certain positions Jesus is now preparing for us Joh 14v2 and those who measure up will be accepted and those who don't (fall short) will be rejected.
Our position is to become 'obedient to Christ as HE had to learn obedience to His Father even unto death Heb 5v8,9.
Christians have not yet learned to walk with Jesus 24/7 !!!

amen i always love whrn you add the wisdom God has given to you, i always notice in cetain people like yourself, that when you are saying something in your own words, the principles of scripture always come to my mind. its when others begin explaining why the scriptures dont apply that makes me worder if well ever learn to walk with the Lord in our Lives

since i came Here, ive been speakinbg of the importance of sticking to Jesus words. i have began noticing how dangerous it is to accept doctrines from those who are teaching wrong, because once those teachings are accepted, its as if faith is in the wrong things and walls become so set in hardened stone, that a 100 scriptures will be rejected based on someone who said something that leads astray the mind, into wrong thinking.

I would Love to see this place come together in at least the basics of Our faith, but it often seems as if its more " i think this,,,no i think this...rather than Jesus said this, the bible repeatedly says this. we can never find unity until we accept that His Word, is right, and ours that oppose it is wrong and let it correct how we think....its very sad to see how people react to something so clearly set forth such as : "Jesus is the christ and Son of God" deeply troubling to my spirit to see how readily some ignore scripture so clear and straight forward.

I think thats why i love when you add or speak up in a thread, because your thinking is in line with the word of God and always has a proper angle that has edification for at Least myself, im sure others also. io think we can hear in each others words, when they are in Line with the message of Gods Word. and it is rare in a "bible" discussion forum to find those who discuss the things the bible teaches us to believe.


God bless you in abundance !! and Keep you in all things Jesus Christ !!

 

[followjesus]

It's too hard to make the connection that when HE breathes into them and says receive THE HOLY SPIRIT that HE quickened them by HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT?

If HE came forth from GOD, the visible image of the invisible GOD the exact representation of HIS being and the full radiance of HIS GLORY than HE had all authority to say he who has seen me has seen the father


for a spirit is invisible
and a spirit can only be made manifest by a visible vessel

If HE came forth from GOD, the visible image of the invisible GOD the exact representation of HIS being and the full radiance of HIS GLORY than HE had all authority to say he who has seen me has seen the father

He is saying if you are looking at Me you are seeing what God is Like, who God is, if You hear my word, you are hearing the Word of God, what God wants and How God feels about you. Hes noit saying " Im God" He is saying the Only way to see God is to see me, His only begotten Son.

a spirit manifests many times in the Bible, any time a person sees an angel in the bible, they are seeing a spirit.


And to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet” ?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

in the Ot many times angels come to man and are seen,,,,,Jacob wrestled with one. and were told this also

Hebrews 13:2 "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

rememer also that the isrealites saw Gods spirit He just was cloaked in a pillar of fire, and He always appears in dark clouds such as to abram " a thick darkness" thunder and Lightnings. they had a deceived Mind and were in terror of God, like adam they had " hiodden thierselves" from Gods true image.

Jesus reveals to us who God really is, what He is like, He is the POerfect son of God. Not God manifest, But the Son of God manifest. He was always there with God, but God kept Him hidden until the apponted time of salvation. Jesus also was a spirit until God spoke Him into Marys womb by the Power of Gods Word. Just Like He said " Let there Be Light...and Light became.

He said to mary " you will have a Son, name Him Jesus, and He will be the Son of God. ...mary says " let it be unto my according to thy word ( faith) and Jesus .....is the word placed ijn Her womb, the son of God is manifest to reveal to man the truth of the God man forgot. The Good and merciful God who created us in the beginning, graciously Giving Us all things. God hasnt Yet been seen by any man apart from Jesus, moses saw His hand, and spoke with Him, but He was in a pillar of fire. No one has seen His face apart from Jesus the only begotten from before time until eternity, Jesus the Son. and He was manifest to show us, reveal to us who God really is and How He Loves us.

John 1:18i ".No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

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[graceNpeace]

"Yep, followjesus definitely has some strange beliefs:"



For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

you Begotten implies denial of Jesus

the Holy Bible ...

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
....

You are the one who is struggling buddy!!
I have not denied the divinity of Jesus in ANY way...especially not by insisting that the correct meaning of the word begotten (meaning "unique" or "one of a kind") is applied to all the Scripture you are quoting.

This is something that YOU wrote in the next post after the one that I am responding to:
"I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
This in response to a very simple question that you quote:
"You don't believe Jesus is God?"

You simply cannot say that JESUS IS GOD, can you!
And the reason why is that you deny the divinity of God - and this entire thread is a testament to that denial!

You are hiding behind the "Son of" designation and the willful misinterpretation of the word "begotten."

If anyone is trying to avoid declaring Jesus Christ for who really is, it is you!

 

[Grace777x70]

There is a false religion out in the world called the religion of Christianity which attempts to "mimic" the words of Jesus in an attempt to make themselves righteous.

This religion "dictates" others into having the fruit of the spirit. The true Christian life is complete reliance on what Christ has already done for us and this is realized in us by grace through faith alone in what He has done.

This religion says to follow Jesus words but their reliance is on their "doing" and not on the gospel of the grace of God in Christ alone.

This doesn't mean that the life of Christ is not manifested in those true Christians because the life of Christ Himself is manifested in and through us to reveal the true nature of love and grace to a hurt and dying world that needs to see our loving Father and Lord for who they truly are.

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh to take our place. Jesus is God and so is the Father and so is the Holy Spirit. Jesus was not a created being - He existed as one with the Father through the Holy Spirit from time memorial.

To deny that Jesus is God is a very serious false doctrine. Jesus is God in the flesh ( the only begotten son - unique - there is no other and He came from the bosom of the Father ) and is our representative as the Son of man in the Godhead.