Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide
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the life of Christ Himself is manifested in and through us
Hey Ben,
To me there are 2 aspects to this.
1) - is "how is this done".
There is a hidden dynamic of beholding the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. When we see Him - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit. ( There is a counterfeit of this in religion that tries to imitate the life of Christ by the flesh )
Jesus alluded to it when He talked about the way the kingdom of God works - the man goes to bed and sleeps and how the growth comes - he doesn't know.
Mark 4:26-28 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He was saying, "The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows—how, he himself does not know.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head.
2nd aspect to this is "what does it look like".
It is an exchanged life that comes effortlessly as we are just being who we already are in Christ. I have found in my own life that since I an learning how to "behold Christ in my inner man" that when situations arise - there seems to be a natural flow of life and love that comes forth.
These manifest as acts of love towards others depending on the situation at the time - it also manifests as peace and joy no matter what the circumstances of life are throwing at me.
It's not that I'm "trying to love" - but love comes forth naturally. It is a fruit of His life being borne on me - the branch.
I hope I am articulating what I see within myself about this subject. Sometimes things are hard to say with the natural mind although we know things within our spirit.
Hey Ben,
To me there are 2 aspects to this.
1) - is "how is this done".
There is a hidden dynamic of beholding the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. When we see Him - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit. ( There is a counterfeit of this in religion that tries to imitate the life of Christ by the flesh )
Jesus alluded to it when He talked about the way the kingdom of God works - the man goes to bed and sleeps and how the growth comes - he doesn't know.
Mark 4:26-28 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He was saying, "The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows—how, he himself does not know.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head.
2nd aspect to this is "what does it look like".
It is an exchanged life that comes effortlessly as we are just being who we already are in Christ. I have found in my own life that since I an learning how to "behold Christ in my inner man" that when situations arise - there seems to be a natural flow of life and love that comes forth.
These manifest as acts of love towards others depending on the situation at the time - it also manifests as peace and joy no matter what the circumstances of life are throwing at me.
It's not that I'm "trying to love" - but love comes forth naturally. It is a fruit of His life being borne on me - the branch.
I hope I am articulating what I see within myself about this subject. Sometimes things are hard to say with the natural mind although we know things within our spirit.
Ironically they didn't say anything about Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus, which represents that Augustus being the Son of God.
John 19:15
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
John 19:15
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
seems Jesus is the Christ and Son of God
ill stay right there with my belief, and encourage others to consider that God sent his Only Son to save us, through Belief in Jesus, the christ and Son of God.
acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
seems Jesus is the Christ and Son of God
ill stay right there with my belief, and encourage others to consider that God sent his Only Son to save us, through Belief in Jesus, the christ and Son of God.If that is what you meant then what you said prior to this point contradicts your now personal insert that Father and Son share 1 Spirit
its what began the questioning of what you held to with regards to The Trinity
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How, then, do we behold Christ? You would correlate practical righteousness with beholding the Lord, or at least a direct correlation, right? The question then, given the correlation, is as you said, "How is this done?" People will debate how one gains victory over sin, but you are suggesting it is not through a process of our own doing, but rather one done by God. If we have any part in this process, what is it?
Here's the first question asked which never received a response
here let me at least give the reason
the reason is because under the righteousness of the law, the testimony of two or three are needed
and CHRIST came to fulfill ALL THE LAW
JESUS could testify of HIMSELF, just as HE clearly said in John 8 because HE knew where HE came from
a d where HE was going
HE also told those under the Law, MY FATHER also trstifies
The reason they didn't believe HIM, was because they did not believe e HE came down from heaven and had come forth from The Father and into the world
something that John had already given testimony of in John 3 when he spoke of the One who comes from Heaven testifies of what HE has seen
(but not all men receive HIS testimony)
here let me at least give the reason
the reason is because under the righteousness of the law, the testimony of two or three are needed
and CHRIST came to fulfill ALL THE LAW
JESUS could testify of HIMSELF, just as HE clearly said in John 8 because HE knew where HE came from
a d where HE was going
HE also told those under the Law, MY FATHER also trstifies
The reason they didn't believe HIM, was because they did not believe e HE came down from heaven and had come forth from The Father and into the world
something that John had already given testimony of in John 3 when he spoke of the One who comes from Heaven testifies of what HE has seen
(but not all men receive HIS testimony)
We "behold Christ" through different means. One is the hearing of Him and His finished work on the cross and resurrection which brings faith naturally. In the "hearing of Him " - we can see Him within our own spirit.
Jesus often would say "Behold". Paul says we are a new creation - Behold - look, to perceive, to see - old things have passed away and all things are new. 2 Cor. 5:17
Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
The other part to this IMO - is the grace that comes by the revelation of Christ Himself and what He has already done. This is a work of the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us like Jesus said He would do.
When we see Him - we become like Him. That is the heavenly dynamic for transformation.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
The other way of the kingdom seems to be when we look at creation for it speaks of Christ and the kingdom ways. Jesus often used things like "Consider the birds, consider the lilies, the kingdom of God is like the way a wheat grows and matures...etc"
I look at a plant that turns it's "face" into the sun ( like we do towards the Son ) and the light of that brings about the production of chlorophyll which supplies the "nutrients" needed for that plant to "be itself" ( if you will ) and grow naturally to be what it already is inside of it.
Meditating on the love and grace of God in Christ is another heavenly dynamic for transformation that the Spirit uses - which is another way of saying " set your mind on things above" Col. 3:1-4
Colossians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
I am suggesting that transformation is not a work of our own doing. It is a work of the Holy Spirit which we participate in it with Him. For it is God who is at work in you - both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13
Our part is to depend on what Christ has done by grace through faith and in this complete reliance on Him His fruit is borne on us the branches. Without Him we can do nothing.
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Apparently then, followjesus is following a "different" jesus. That explains a lot! All these lectures from him about reading the 4 gospels and obeying Jesus and he doesn't even have the right Jesus!
2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if someone comes and proclaims another/different Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Jesus’ words in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, "I did not claim to be God." That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). JESUS IS GOD.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.
The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)
Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and "the Word was God." John 1:14 says that "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" *The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in essence/nature; yet they are three distinct persons.
2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if someone comes and proclaims another/different Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Jesus’ words in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, "I did not claim to be God." That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). JESUS IS GOD.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.
The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)
Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and "the Word was God." John 1:14 says that "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" *The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in essence/nature; yet they are three distinct persons.