Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.

[Jason0047]

Once again I will say the words that were used for wine in the original texts for wine was.

oy'-nos: wine, from yah-yin: meaning to effervesce (or fermented). (Used most places throughout the New Testament.) glyoo'-kos: (or glucose or a liquid fruit sugar), or a syrupy sweet fruit juice. (Used only one time.)
par'-oy-nos: (From two words: 1. Para: near and 2. G3631 wine), meaning addicted to wine. (Used only twice.)
oy-of-loog-ee'-ah: (From two words: 1. G3631 wine and 2. Floo'or-os: bubbly or to talk incessantly), meaning drunkenness or drunk on wine. (Used only once.)

The one used in the scripture we are speaking of that Jesus turned water to wine is the first one oy'-nos. Which is fermented wine.


You say Jesus would be to blame because He would be contributing to drunkenness, but you look at it the wrong way.


God made snakes and spiders, some of which are deadly poisonous. Do you blame God for making them if some one gets bit by one and dies ?

God made all animals and plants, some also poisonous or unhealthy if consumed. Do you blame God for making them if some one eats them and their health gets bad and/or they die ?

God made Adam and Eve, yet He put the tree of knowledge in the garden. Do you blame God for putting it there because it made it easily accessible for Eve and Adam to get to and eat from ?

I believe the creation was effected by the fall of man. I believe various animals, plants, and creeping things had changed in time as a result of Adam's rebellion against God. For there is no reason for anything in the creation to harm Adam & Eve before the Fall. Everything in God's creation was declared to be "very good" by Him.

As for the placement of the Tree that was bad for Adam and Eve, this was not the only tree in the Garden for them to eat from. Also, Adam and Eve were aware the consequences of their actions against eating of it. The wedding of Cana is not the same thing if it included an intoxicating beverage. For if they were "well drunk" then they were drunk or intoxicated and Jesus giving them more of an intoxicating beverage by a miracle would be promoting drunkenness, which the Bible condemns. For if what you say is true, then they would already be sinning and drunk. In fact, most folks at the wedding were unaware of the "good wine" that Jesus made. So Jesus adding to their sin would not be morally upstanding thing to do as the Son of the Living God.

 

[Last]

I believe the creation was effected by the fall of man. I believe various animals, plants, and creeping things had changed in time as a result of Adam's rebellion against God. For there is no reason for anything in the creation to harm Adam & Eve before the Fall. Everything in God's creation was declared to be "very good" by Him.

As for the placement of the Tree that was bad for Adam and Eve, this was not the only tree in the Garden for them to eat from. Also, Adam and Eve were aware the consequences of their actions against eating of it. The wedding of Cana is not the same thing if it included an intoxicating beverage. For if they were "well drunk" then they were drunk or intoxicated and Jesus giving them more of an intoxicating beverage by a miracle would be promoting drunkenness, which the Bible condemns. For if what you say is true, then they would already be sinning and drunk. In fact, most folks at the wedding were unaware of the "good wine" that Jesus made. So Jesus adding to their sin would not be morally upstanding thing to do as the Son of the Living God.

They weren't drunk. The waiter simply commented that generally a host serves the best wine first.

The comment is not about Jesus giving people more wine after getting drunk, but about the fact that the best wine was what Jesus made - it was superior to the first wine served by the host.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I believe the creation was effected by the fall of man. I believe various animals, plants, and creeping things had changed in time as a result of Adam's rebellion against God. For there is no reason for anything in the creation to harm Adam & Eve before the Fall. Everything in God's creation was declared to be "very good" by Him.

As for the placement of the Tree that was bad for Adam and Eve, this was not the only tree in the Garden for them to eat from. Also, Adam and Eve were aware the consequences of their actions against eating of it. The wedding of Cana is not the same thing if it included an intoxicating beverage. For if they were "well drunk" then they were drunk or intoxicated and Jesus giving them more of an intoxicating beverage by a miracle would be promoting drunkenness, which the Bible condemns. For if what you say is true, then they would already be sinning and drunk. In fact, most folks at the wedding were unaware of the "good wine" that Jesus made. So Jesus adding to their sin would not be morally upstanding thing to do as the Son of the Living God.

You can not have it both ways.

God put the tree of knowledge in the garden ( a tree forbidden to eat from ) and yet they still ate from it.

Jesus turned the water in to wine ( oy'-nos / fermented ), the people still drank it for the purpose to get drunk.

You can drink wine in a sensible/responsible and non-intoxicating way.

To be of sober mind does not just apply to being drunk. It also applies to not taking every word given to you as truth, you must question, test, and see if it follows God's word.

God's word is not against drinking alcohol, it is against drinking it in a unreasonable intoxicating way in which you use it to get drunk off of. Hince a drunkard.

It is also against drinking it in front of another believer, if that believer has troubles with it because it could cause him to stumble.

If you can drink alcohol in the comforts of your own home by having just a drink or two or even a couple times a year, and that you can put it down right now if asked and never take a sip again. Then you are not living in sin as a drunkard.

A drunkard is one who lets the alcohol control him, he drinks a lot of it every day and can not put it down and stop unless they get help.

 

[JackH]

I still see you haven't looked at a dictionary yet.

I'm too busy looking at the eight different Hebrew words translated to wine in the OT.

What those words and the verses they appear in tell me is that, again, unfermented wine is a contradiction of terms. If it is wine, it has been fermented. If it has not been fermented, it is not wine but something else.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

What does that have to do with anything? There is no such thing as unfermented wine. It's a contradiction.

Given the preponderance of Historical and Biblical evidence, I disagree with your conclusion.

 

[Jason0047]

wine (w

n)n.1. a. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume.
b. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants.

2. Something that intoxicates or exhilarates.
3. The color of red wine.

Wine (as defined at dictionary.com):

3. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.:
gooseberry wine; currant wine.

 

[Kerry]

Before prohibition in America anything that came from a grape was called wine. After prohibition it was separated to grape juice. In fact there is a liquor in South America called Pisco that is made from grapes it is not wine but liquor and a strong drink. But, in old times it was called wine because it came from a grape. They also made wine or so called wine from Date's.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Wine (as defined at dictionary.com):

3. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.:
gooseberry wine; currant wine.

That is funny because they would be the only one that says that. I have researched a lot of other dictionaries from Webster's on and none of the rest have that in their definitions.

 

[Kerry]

I can't see Jesus being intoxicated, I have been intoxicated thousands of times and it was never good. The hell it put me through and my family. Best to let it be.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Wine (as defined at dictionary.com):

3. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.:
gooseberry wine; currant wine.

Oh yeah and not to mention, it says made from other fruits or plants in this definition. Not from grapes.

 

[Kerry]

Could you imagine, Jesus being intoxicated, with all the Power that he has. Wow.

 

[Agricola]

That is funny because they would be the only one that says that. I have researched a lot of other dictionaries from Webster's on and none of the rest have that in their definitions.

I notice that too, I am thinking that dictionary.com has been created by the King James Only Cult to support their agenda by planting new definitions into their dictionary to prove their theories right.

 

[jkalyna]

**Jason, It is alright here to ask for your*testimony, those who love the Lord have one, it shows on your profile that you've been in the world for 18 years, and just in 2010 renewed your faith, what like a license, you don't renew faith, you repent, what is your*testimony, you could be very confused being in new age, or other cults, if your ashamed of the gospel to tell everyone, then the Lord says he will be ashamed of you, you have wasted so much time, and on nothing but a wedding, that your just*argumentative*about, why don't you post something that will bless other's like how the Lord*delivered*you out of your past 18 years, and what have you been doing. I think your not saved even as of right now. What's your*testimony, there are many who are real here, do you go to church, if you were sincerely a brother here, you would talk about your past, and how Jesus*delivered*you, but you don't even care to discuss anything but fermentation. YOur not bringing any edification to anyone, just nonsense, and entertainment, why not post your*testimony, that would be edifying.

 

[Last]

Given the preponderance of Historical and Biblical evidence, I disagree with your conclusion.

There is no biblical or historical evidence to the contrary.

Here are the facts- if one disputes them, they are ignorant or being willfully ignorant for heaven knows what reason:
In the ancient world, when you squeezed grapes, you produced a juice
The juice was exposed to yeast on the skins, which ferments into wine
Even if you sterilized the skins, there is still yeast present in the air, which ferments into wine
Yeast will reproduce and consume sugar in the juice until it is completely fermented into alcohol

 

[Last]

I can't see Jesus being intoxicated, I have been intoxicated thousands of times and it was never good. The hell it put me through and my family. Best to let it be.

If a person wants to abstain from alcohol- great! I am all for it.

What I have a problem with is when behavior is the result of lies and distortions of truth. Jesus drank wine, period. He consumed and served alcohol beverages. Fact.

I take issue with people lying to people about what Jesus did and didn't do. It is not going to further the kingdom.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Jesus drinking one glass of wine ( fermented ) would not be wrong.

If you believe one glass of wine is wrong, then you probably believe eating one cookie will make you gain five pounds.

 

[Kerry]

If a person wants to abstain from alcohol- great! I am all for it.

What I have a problem with is when behavior is the result of lies and distortions of truth. Jesus drank wine, period. He consumed and served alcohol beverages. Fact.

I take issue with people lying to people about what Jesus did and didn't do. It is not going to further the kingdom.

So your saying that Jesus broke the law. It is unlawful to ingest anything that is decayed or broken down by bacteria. Because that what decayed means. Alcohol is the sugars in the grape being broken down by bacteria called yeast it yeast poop. I din't think that Jesus would risk breaking the law by ingesting yeast poop.

 

[jkalyna]

Learned alot here, how to make wine in many different ways, what wine means in many different languagues, and other things, but the truth, is, no body knows because no body was there. Period.*

 

[Kerry]

Jesus did drink wine the fruit of the vine not intoxicating wine. Shall I call on Aristotle to show what wine was in the old days?

 

[jkalyna]

* Anything that the Lord made is good. Grapes, included.*