JEWISH MISSIONS AND MESSIANIC JUDAISM..

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I have had the very same experience with this person. In the long run, if you ignore him, he is harmless although there will be times you will be moved to help those who may be misled by this attitude and lack of mutual respect.
I'm harmless, it's true, "praus" is meekness :) -> Greek Lexicon :: G4239 (KJV)

πραΰς - Outline of Biblical Usage: mildness of disposition, gentleness of spirit, meekness

Meekness toward God is that disposition of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting. In the OT, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strength to defend against injustice. Thus, meekness toward evil people means knowing God is permitting the injuries they inflict, that He is using them to purify His elect, and that He will deliver His elect in His time (Isa 41:17, Luk 18:1-8). Gentleness or meekness is the opposite to self-assertiveness and self-interest. It stems from trust in God's goodness and control over the situation. The gentle person is not occupied with self at all. This is a work of the Holy Spirit, not of the human will (Gal 5:23).
 
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The following is excerpted from chapter 10 (The New Covenant) of Dr. Renald Showers’ book “There Really Is a Difference: A Comparison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology”.

Concluding Considerations

It is apparent that Jesus established the New Covenant when He shed His blood on the cross (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Hebrews 8:6-13; 9:15; 12:24) . The Church, which began shortly after Christ’s death (Acts 2:1-4;11:15), has partaken of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant. According to the Apostle Paul’s teaching in Romans 11, during the time of the Church, a remnant of liter, national Israel is being saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ. Those Israelites who make up that remnant become members of the Church through salvation. They thereby partake of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant, as do the other members of the Church. They do not, however partake of the material and national blessings of the New Covenant, as the rest of the Church does not.

By contrast with the remnant, during the time of the Church, the majority of literal, national Israel does not become saved because of its hardened unbelief. As a result, that majority does not obtain any of the promised blessings of the New Covenant, even though it seeks many of those blessings during the present Church age. Because of their unbelief, the Israelites who make up the majority of the nation have been removed by God from the place of covenant blessings which the nation of Israel enjoyed with God in the past. This means, then, that national Israel failed to enter the New Covenant relationship with God in conjunction with Messiah’s first coming.

While the majority of national Israel remains in unbelief outside the place of covenant blessing, many Gentiles, who originally were not in that place of blessing, are being grafted into it by the grace of God through faith in Christ. These saved Gentiles are members of the Church. They are grafted into the place of covenant blessing in the sense that they partake of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant, as do the remnant Israelite members of the Church.

In spite of the fact that believing Gentiles are grafted into the place of covenant blessing in the place of the unbelieving majority of national Israel, that does not mean that the fulfillment of the New Covenant with literal, national Israel has been nullified. Paul made it very clear that the majority of national Israel will not be removed from the place of covenant blessing forever. That removal is only temporary. When the great harvest of Gentile souls has been gathered and Messiah returns, national Israel will be saved and placed back into the place of covenant blessing (Romans 11:23-27). As a result, at that time literal, national Israel will enter fully into the New Covenant relationship with God, and all the promises (spiritual, material, and national) of that covenant will be fulfilled completely with that nation. Thus, although national Israel failed to enter the New Covenant relationship with God in conjunction with Messiah’s first coming, t will enter that relationship in conjunction with His Second Coming.

In Romans 11, therefore, Paul explained how the Church now partakes of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant. The complete fulfillment of that covenant with national Israel, however, has not been and never will be nullified.

Source: Excerpt from “There Really Is A Difference: A Comparison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology” by Renald E. Showers, chapter 10, The New Covenant, pg. 109-111.

Jewish Awareness Ministries is in agreement with the biblical teachings of Dr. Renald E. Showers. They sell his book (There Really Is A Difference: A Comarison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology). Why would this ministry sell a book written by someone with whom they doctrinally disagree?

THERE REALLY IS A DIFFERENCE | Israel News | Bible Prophecies | Proclaiming Messiah | Jewish Awareness Ministries
 
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This means, then, that national Israel failed to enter the New Covenant relationship with God in conjunction with Messiah’s first coming.
This is the heart of the matter. The door's open if they want to repent. Take it or leave it. There is no such thing as the new, new covenant.
 
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They are non-Christian. Israel entered into the new covenant nearly 1900 years ago. If these people are not participating in that covenant, they are not Christians.
I' sorry, but I disagree with you. This ministry is a Christian ministry. These people are born again Christians, some are ethnically Jews. They are members of the body of Christ/the Church, which makes them Christians.


I think you fail to understand that the Church and Israel are two distinct entities. Unbelieving Israel has not entered into the new covenant. That won't happen until the Second coming (Romans 11:25-29). However, the Church has been and is now partaking of the "spiritual blessings" of the New Covenant. Since you don't believe in dispensational theology and don't make a distinction between the Church and Israel, I can't expect you to understand about the future fulfillment of the New Covenant for the nation of Israel. (which includes the spiritual fulfillment through Christ and the physical land promises of the Abrahamic covenant)
 
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Are you totally against Jewish Missions
I'm in favor of all missions...

Unbelieving Israel has not entered into the new covenant. That won't happen until the Second coming (Romans 11:25-29).
...but you've already decided that Jewish missions will fail, thus defeating the entire purpose of this thread.
 
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That's only part of that doctrine on "The New Covenant".
Then how do you come to the conclusion that the New Covenant teaching of the Jewish Awareness Ministries is incorrect?

That's pretty much mixing both Judaism and Christianity, forming its own religion. Jews don't accept it, and neither do Christians. So what covenant are we in then if you believe the old is continuous? Jesus spoke about those who would mix Judaism with the New covenant of God.
The Church has been partaking in the "spiritual blessings" of the New Covenant since the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Did you happen to read to whom God gave the New Covenant?

BTW, Wikipedia is really not a very good resource. I have a suggestion. Why don't you get alone with God and your Bible and just study all this and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Forget about what all these guys are telling you. You seem to go into a discussion with pre-supposed teachings and then interpret what you read here and then impose that on what I'm trying to say. It's very frustrating for me and I'm getting tired of it.

You cannot mix both Judaism with the Christian faith, or else, as Jesus put it, "burst". What do you think this statement was directed to or meant by? The entire book of Hebrew makes it clear how dangerous it is to be driven back to the Old Covenant, which the messianic Jews believe still is in effect.
That's why I left the Messianic movement over 30 years ago.

What in the world do you think this means? This not only is important to heed, but a warning to those stepping into it.
Those who turn back to Old Testament legalism crucify the Son of God afresh and cannot be brought again to repentance
 
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That is about as "specific" as I am going to get with you. Honestly, I really don't trust you...I believe you are up to no good.

You must be on some type of "witch hunt"....you have already falsely accused me. Are you planning on "digging up some dirt" and falsely accusing another member of Christ's body?
You call it as you see it and you have such an honest heart filled with faith while others have not learned to put away those hidden things of dishonesty.
 
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You call it as you see it and you have such an honest heart filled with faith while others have not learned to put away those hidden things of dishonesty.
Why is it dishonest to expose cults and heresies, BradC?
 

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Do you want honesty? Here is honesty.

Any group that forms its own theology and it requires its own new name is a cult.

The only truth is the Word of Yahweh, God, as He has given it to all mankind. Any denomination claiming to believe the Bible, yet feeling a necessity to have its own name and own doctrine because it differs from all others is no better than the others.

The Word of God is the Way, the Truth and the Light, that is for those who are repented and believe in His Only Begotten Son in Spirit and Truth.

There, all the cults are exposed.


Why is it dishonest to expose cults and heresies, BradC?
 
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You call it as you see it and you have such an honest heart filled with faith
Jer 17:9 ¶ The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

while others have not learned to put away those hidden things of dishonesty.
Which things would you like to stay hidden?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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Why is it dishonest to expose cults and heresies, BradC?
It's dishonest to falsely expose a ministry which isn't a cult. Exposing cults and heresies is one thing, but bearing false witness is another. Praus was blatantly bearing false witness about a ministry just because he found some information on the website with which he didn't agree....and BINGO, he yells CULT! CULT! That's what is dishonest.

It is also dishonest to accuse someone of posting anti-Christian sites and sites which promote "other" religions....which was another false witness.

That's dishonest....and borders on talebearing.
 
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Why is it dishonest to expose cults and heresies, BradC?
It's those hidden things of dishonesty, that never get dealt with that corrupt the soul and leaven the conscience and lead away from the truth we have been given and received of the Spirit. You can't expose heresy with heresy anymore than you can expose a negative with another negative. You need light to do that and you need to be walking in the light. When you walk in the light you never fret about the darkness because it is easily discerned by the light. So our job, as children of light, is to bring the light of God's goodness and truth into the darkness to expose those who live in darkness to the light. Conversion always comes from the light exposing the darkness with the light of hope, faith and assurance.
 
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That's dishonest....and borders on talebearing.
Maybe I misunderstand. Did they not have as one of their beliefs they are looking forward to a (future) new covenant, rather than understanding that it is through Jesus' death and resurrection that the new covenant is now?
 

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I found the first comment at the bottom by Sarah Miller recommended a site called questioningpaul.com
A big HMMMM!
 

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I'm not promoting "other" religions on this forum. The context of the article is Jewish Missions/evangelism....which is sharing Christ with the lost Jewish people. Do you not believe that the Jewish people need salvation? I'm not promoting Messianic Judaism either. If you would read the entire article, you would understand that this Jewish ministry is NOT Messianic.

You have started 3 or 4 threads dealing with the Hebrew Roots cult and you are getting "bent out of shape" because I started ONE thread on Jewish Missions? Wow! Please tell me....do you have a "hang up" about lost Jewish people? What about Hebrew Christians who are members of Body of Christ/the Church and are attending evangelical and fundamental churches?

Why post all those images from the Jewish Awareness Ministries website? Are you totally against Jewish Missions or do you just not like me because I am a Hebrew Christian who is a member of the Body of Christ/the Church and attends a fundamental Baptist church on Sundays?

Jewish Awareness Ministries is not an anti-Christian site. You have not proved a thing by what you posted. You are bearing false witness.
i thought Israel and the Church are separate!

hi brad - "those promises were NEVER offered to Israel - who clicked LIKE.

you folks have a schizophrenic view of Christianity
 

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So our job, as children of light, is to bring the light of God's goodness and truth into the darkness to expose those who live in darkness to the light.
except Israel.
they were never promised The Light (of the World)


Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
 

zone

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Which things would you like to stay hidden?
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 

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You call it as you see it and you have such an honest heart filled with faith while others have not learned to put away those hidden things of dishonesty.
Romans 16:18
For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.