JEWISH MISSIONS AND MESSIANIC JUDAISM..

[Angela53510]

First of all, if you don't like to read copy and paste posts, then why bother coming to these forum boards? Most posts on these types of discussion boards are copy and paste...and a lot are much longer than what I have posted here. What turns me off is to see a bunch of images posted from a website in a feeble attempt to discredit a doctrinally sound and biblical ministry, which was what was done on this thread.

Secondly, I don't have a "cause" that I am trying to promote. I thought the articles were well written and that the topic would be good for a civil discussion. How wrong I was. Even if I had not copied and pasted anything and written, in my own words, what I believe on the topic of Jewish missions, there would still have been annimosity on the part of the posters who are purposely causing the problems here. It is they, not I, who have the "agenda" and are purposely attempting to derail anything I post....twisting my words and bearing false witness against me. But I am used to that....but this forum is about the worst place for someone who is dispensational and defends Israel and the Jewish people.

Thirdly, it doesn't matter whose words are posted...it seems that it is the person who posts the words (their own or someone else's) who is the one being mercilessly attacked. The reason my husband didn't post his own article is because I totally changed the content and topic (with his permission)....so basically this was my own editing work from the "original" article he wrote 4 years ago.

So if you don't like long copy and paste articles, don't read them. And remember this....I'm not the one with the "agenda" trying to "promote my cause".

I cannot tell a lie. Your post has confused me terribly. What made you think I read your copy and paste? I just read the comments from other members.

Most people do write their own comments. You could have written your own comments. Your husband could have written his own comments, instead of having you post them for him.

I guess you have not noticed I really have not commented on your content. That is because I do not read long copy and pastes, esp. when other people are so good at finding the doctrinal errors.

It is not laziness, just efficient on my part. I don't have all day.

I was merely trying to help you for future posts. I'm sorry you saw it as a major attack. It just seems to be that a lot of cultists come in here copying and pasting from their groups websites etc, and I don't want to waste the time.

There are many people here who do take the time. On my part, I would rather read the Bible. Or LOR or something!

 

[Linda70]

No, Angela, I don't post my husband's comments.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

My wife does not post my comments.

 

[Linda70]

I have no need to post his comments, I can think and post for myself.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Now, we both posted at the same time. That should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is not posting my comments.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

And if there is further doubt, an admin can PM me and I can give them our phone number so we can talk to the admin.

 

[Angela53510]

Posts # 46, 47 & 48.

Wolves Among Us.

I rest my case!

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Posts # 46, 47 & 48.

Wolves Among Us.

I rest my case!

While "Wolves Among Us" is my original work, I did not tell Linda to post it in this thread. I gave her permission to post... big difference. She had been following this thread. She remembered the article that I had written several months back and asked me if she could post it.

She was not posting my comments in this thread. I rest my case.

 

[Praus]

And if there is further doubt, an admin can PM me and I can give them our phone number so we can talk to the admin.

Stop plz!!! It's nothing like that, we know you're both honest people! We're concerned about your teachers, not you and Linda.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Stop plz!!! It's nothing like that, we know you're both honest people! We're concerned about your teachers, not you and Linda.

Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. You are not concerned about us, but about our teachers? We teach what our teachers teach, yet you aren't concerned about us?

ROFL

 

[Praus]

Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. You are not concerned about us, but about our teachers? We teach what our teachers teach, yet you aren't concerned about us?

ROFL

I think you're honestly not posting for each other.

As far as the teachings go, I asked in post #55, and I'm still confused:

I'm confused, I thought dispensationalism is against Jewish evangelism.

 

[crossnote]

We teach what our teachers teach, yet you aren't concerned about us?

ROFL

now it's starting to smell cultish.
Yes, I'd be concerned.

 

[zone]

While "Wolves Among Us" is my original work, I did not tell Linda to post it in this thread. I gave her permission to post... big difference. She had been following this thread. She remembered the article that I had written several months back and asked me if she could post it.

She was not posting my comments in this thread. I rest my case.

generally it's best to cite sources.

 

[PennEd]

Why are we schizophrenic, because we believe and know, being fully persuaded, that God will be faithful to what he has promised Israel no matter what you or others believe or have to think or say about it? Many have come and gone and have been carried away with their own doctrine and persuasions, but God is immutable and can not reverse what He has promised. It is irrevocable and precious. To think that God would be so faithful to a people despite their rebellion and terrible heart of unbelief, that he would extend his mercy to this unrighteous and unregenerate lot and be found faithful to every word of his good promise to this people. How they will mourn with their families and be truly broken of their stubborn unbelief realizing that they were part of those whose crucified and pierced him with their rejection, God's only begotten Son. That will be a great day of restoration and redemption and being grafted back in for Israel. The plan of God has waited so long for this to be fulfill in the eyes of heaven and earth and to be enjoyed for 1,000 years reigning with Christ.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Psalm 90:4
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

Hosea 6:1-2
“Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.

This passage makes no sense unless you understand the "days" are from the Lord's perspective of 1000 yrs. Israel was torn to pieces in A.D. 70. The 2 days are almost up. If you do the math using a 360 day calendar you get to the early 2030s. After which, Israel will be restored and live in Christs presence for the third day (1000) yrs. with their grafted in Christian brethren.


Love the Lord my brothers and sisters. Don't get caught up with all this Jewish bashing. Let God deal with the Jews. Don't be apart of anything but love toward them.

 

[zone]

2 Peter 3:8
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Psalm 90:4
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

Hosea 6:1-2
“Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.

This passage makes no sense unless you understand the "days" are from the Lord's perspective of 1000 yrs. Israel was torn to pieces in A.D. 70. The 2 days are almost up. If you do the math using a 360 day calendar you get to the early 2030s. After which, Israel will be restored and live in Christs presence for the third day (1000) yrs. with their grafted in Christian brethren.


Love the Lord my brothers and sisters. Don't get caught up with all this Jewish bashing. Let God deal with the Jews. Don't be apart of anything but love toward them.

there's nothing in scripture that actually says one day IS 1,000 years.
it doesn't work unless you're predicting dates in the future
in which case every man would know the precise day.
...

The prophet’s assurance of God’s forgiveness and restoration of His people is presented under the motif of the third day. Although the NET properly calls attention to the numerical sequence 2—3, nonetheless the third day motif is one of the more significant scriptural themes. Thus God appeared to Israel on Mount Sinai on the third day (Exod. 19:10-16). The third day was also a day of crucial decision (1 Kings 12:12; Esth. 4:16; 5:1), and of healing and sacrifice (Lev. 7:17-18; 19:6-7; Num. 19:12, 19-20). It is of interest to note that the third day was the day for Hezekiah’s recovery (2 Kings 20:8). Jesus often told his disciples of a coming third day when, after his death, he would rise again (Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Luke 9:22), and so it comes as no surprise that Christ was gloriously raised on the third day (Luke 24:21; 1 Cor. 15:4).

- Bible.org

 

[Linda70]

Praus,

Dispensationalism is not against Jewish evangelism....why would you believe that it is...unless you don't really understand what dispensationalism is.

In a nutshell, dispensationalism recognizes that God has different ways of dealing with different men at different times throughout the course of history. Dispensationalism interprets and understands the Bible literally.

Here is the basic rule of Bible interpretation: When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of the related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths indicate clearly otherwise.

Dispensationalism makes a difference between Israel and the Church. Saved Israelites (Jews) who lived during Old Testament times were never part of the church. The Church did not begin until Pentecost (Acts 2). Before that time, no one was part of the church.

Dispensationalism sees the glory of God as the unifying theme of the Bible.

Reformed, or Covenant Theology teaches that Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." is to be interpreted in the sense that it is only stating an historical truth and see it as reason not to take the gospel to the Jew today. Therefore, Reformed Theology teaches, because Israel nationally rejected the Messiah when He came, that God has turned His back on Israel (the Jew) and that the Church today is the Israel of the Bible. (Replacement Theology)

It is a misunderstanding that Israel and Jew are synonymous. They are not. Some teach that the Jew, even in this dispensation, is saved today by keeping the law. Jesus, speaking to Jews stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the father but by me” (John 14:6). In this dispensation God is not dealing with the Jew nationally to be His witness to the world, but individually, just as with Gentiles. The Bible teaches that only those who receive by faith God’s redemption (Jews and Gentiles) will be saved in any generation. All others will be eternally lost.

 

[zone]

Reformed, or Covenant Theology teaches that Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." is to be interpreted in the sense that it is only stating an historical truth and see it as reason not to take the gospel to the Jew today.

rubbish.
nonsense.
how do you folks keeping posting such embarrassing stuff?
who is teaching you this?

eh.....dispensationalism is EVIL in every way.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

rubbish.
nonsense.
how do you folks keeping posting such embarrassing stuff?
who is teaching you this?

eh.....dispensationalism is EVIL in every way.

No Zone, Dispensationalism is reading the Bible literally and rightly dividing the word of truth ( 2 Timothy 2:15). Just as every Christian is commanded to do.

 

[Praus]

Praus,

Dispensationalism is not against Jewish evangelism....why would you believe that it is...unless you don't really understand what dispensationalism is.

Because BradC advised Christian Chat against Jewish evangelism, both national and individual. Is this a false teaching?

Leave Israel and the Jews to the Lord and allow him to do as he sees fit and has purposed.

'Dispy' and 'Gracey' dancing together in oneness and unity in a melody of life.

You Liked his post #44 in this thread but you get annoyed with me. Am I a false teacher, Linda70?

In a nutshell, dispensationalism recognizes that God has different ways of dealing with different men at different times throughout the course of history. Dispensationalism interprets and understands the Bible literally.

Here is the basic rule of Bible interpretation: When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of the related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths indicate clearly otherwise.

Do you know that D.A. Waite is the source of that quote?

Dispensationalism sees the glory of God as the unifying theme of the Bible.

I'm compelled to agree, the glory of God.

Rom 16:27 To God only wise, [be] glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Reformed, or Covenant Theology teaches that Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." is to be interpreted in the sense that it is only stating an historical truth and see it as reason not to take the gospel to the Jew today. Therefore, Reformed Theology teaches, because Israel nationally rejected the Messiah when He came, that God has turned His back on Israel (the Jew) and that the Church today is the Israel of the Bible. (Replacement Theology)

How long does God generally turn His back on people who hate Him?

Exod 20:3-5 “You shall have no other gods before Me. ... 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

It is a misunderstanding that Israel and Jew are synonymous. They are not. Some teach that the Jew, even in this dispensation, is saved today by keeping the law. Jesus, speaking to Jews stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the father but by me” (John 14:6). In this dispensation God is not dealing with the Jew nationally to be His witness to the world, but individually, just as with Gentiles. The Bible teaches that only those who receive by faith God’s redemption (Jews and Gentiles) will be saved in any generation. All others will be eternally lost.

This is very helpful, thank you, I will have to learn more about the different schools of dispensationalism--they can't all be correct.

 

[Linda70]

Because BradC advised Christian Chat against Jewish evangelism, both national and individual. Is this a false teaching?

I agree with BradC...he is not teaching against Jewish evangelism. I believe he is dispensational and makes a distinction between Israel and the Church. On the other hand, you and the others continually trash Israel and dispensational theology. I believe he was advising you and the others not to "impose" your pre-supposed teaching into what others are teaching on this forum concerning God's plan for the nation of Israel and dispensational theology.

You Liked his post #44 in this thread but you get annoyed with me. Am I a false teacher, Linda70?

Again, I "liked" BradC's post (#44) because he is exposing the errors of anti-Israel and anti-dispensational teaching that you and the others are posting all over this forum. The first post you made on this thread derailed it because I believe you had an "agenda" to expose anybody and any ministry with whom you disagree, which teaches biblical Jewish evangelism. And by doing this, you bore false witness against me and this ministry by saying that I was "promoting other religions and anti-Christian sites" on this forum. This was false and I think you knew it...and if you didn't, you didn't bother to check out the facts before posting it, but posted it anyway. Then you had the audacity to say that I derailed the thread at post #25....another false accusation.

Do you know that D.A. Waite is the source of that quote?

No it doesn't. It originates with Dr. David L.Cooper on this site (from where I copied and pasted it):

Biblical Research Studies Group-The Golden Rule of Interpretation

The "home page" to that site:

Biblical Research Studies Group

I am aware that Dr. D.A. Waite also has it posted on his website, but it didn't originate with him.

I'm compelled to agree, the glory of God.

Rom 16:27 To God only wise, [be] glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Amen!

How long does God generally turn His back on people who hate Him?


Exod 20:3-5 “You shall have no other gods before Me. ... 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Romans 9-11 speaks of God's plan for the nation of Israel, past, present and future...Romans 11:25-29 tells us when He will resume His plan for that nation after He sets them aside during the dispensation of the church:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God has not forsaken Israel.

This is very helpful, thank you, I will have to learn more about the different schools of dispensationalism--they can't all be correct.

The answer is in God's Word....rightly divided.