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I believe leaving Israel and the Jews to the Lord is quite compatible with evangelizing. My own experience has been when sharing the Word of Yahweh, those to whom I have been given to speak have been sent to me, and they hear the Gospel of Yeshua. It does not take an intellectual to know this, but it will take faith. Have faith, and so not look for sin in a word.
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This accidentally got posted in another thread and it is in response to Praus post (#81) in this thread):
You pulled BradC's statement out of context. He was replying to zone in this post:
BradC was making a request to zone to "Leave Israel and the Jews to the Lord and allow him to do as he sees fit and has purposed." This has nothing to do with Jewish evangelism.
Nice try Praus. Want to try again?
You pulled BradC's statement out of context. He was replying to zone in this post:
BradC was making a request to zone to "Leave Israel and the Jews to the Lord and allow him to do as he sees fit and has purposed." This has nothing to do with Jewish evangelism.
Nice try Praus. Want to try again?
Now this question is just silly.
When I have travelled the world sharing the Word, there have been times I have asked the Father to send Jews to me to share the Word with if it was His will. He did this.
When I was sharing the Word at the University of Illinois, one day the table for two that the Lord used me at was occupied when I arrived, and I felt really bad. I saw there was a table for about 14 people next to it in the midst of the Illini Student Union cafeteria even though it was brimming with people.
Feeling as though I was not wanted to do works for the Lord I sat down and began reading the Word. After a few moments I realized someone was standing by me. I looked up and all around the table there were young men, Jews, standing and waiting for me to look up from my reading. They were from a fraternity called ZBT, a national Jewish fraternity, and they had heard, from other Jews that there was something important for them to hear from someone who goes every day to the Illini Union to share the Word, of all people, me.
When I saw these fellows I felt very small and I asked them to sit down. The questions were asked, and I was given to open my mouth and speak. The Holy Spirit would talk through me. Now it is not important if you are impressed by this or believe it, because the One Who Is did use me on so many occasions during those years, with Jews and gentiles alike, all would come to me, even in the mountains in my hidden campsite in the middle of the night when prayed for. You may or may not believe.
Unless you turn and become as a child, you will not enter Yahweh's Kingdom for to such is the Kingdom of Yahweh. Children who are good are obdient. If you continue to teach non obedience in your oblique manner, then you are an adult, and you may talk to the Father as an equal, but this will not get you anywhere. Yeshua did not abolish one law, no, He completed them. By now you know exactly what this means.
Be advised in the name, Yeshua, to stop perverting the meaning of what is shared with you. I also leave the nation of Israel of this age to Yahweh, because having read all of the Word and believing it, I know He has a design for them, and for all, but one very specific for the nation of Israel. Also, I do not chase the people, but Yahweh has sent them to me.
The only manner in which your retort is possibly correct is that I look forward to sharing will all people, the Jew first and then the Greek.
Yes, I leave the Jews and Israel to the Lord, and there are times He sends them to any of us who have the Word of Yeshua in our hearts, souls and minds... Again, do not look for sin in a word.
Why are you so contentious? Do not look for sin in a word. Is this too hard to understand? As for the Holy Spirit, beware of how you throw around the Title. Yes, the Holy Spirit gave this to me, and to all by way of Isaiah. Find it........I posted it as part of a reply very recently, but reading Isaiah is more recommendable.
It's pretty obvious--you teach that certain named theologies are "quite dangerous to all", then a few posts later you announce that "it is not a matter of any named theology".
If you can't remember what you write from post to post, it suggests that you don't actually believe your own teaching.
I will continue to proclaim salvation by the Blood of the Lamb for both the Jew and the Greek. That's what my grandmothers told me to do and they're the most honest people I ever knew.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (NASB)
If you can't remember what you write from post to post, it suggests that you don't actually believe your own teaching.
I will continue to proclaim salvation by the Blood of the Lamb for both the Jew and the Greek. That's what my grandmothers told me to do and they're the most honest people I ever knew.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (NASB)
Let me get this straight, from one or two of my posts you know my heart?
What I have posted and you have bothered to quote here goes together perfectly.
I believe all named theologies are apostetic.
As I have always maintained, I believe anyone who calls on the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh in spirit and truth is a member of the Body of Yeshua here on the earth because they love Him.
I know by the Word there are many believers in the Zona Gadol or Great Whore, otherwise the Father would not inform us He is calling His children out of her so they do not share in her punishment.
It stands to reason, and it is common sense if the Zona Gadol, that Whore, is the mother of whores, those who love Yeshua will also be called out of them. Perhaps you have not read these teachings in the Word.
Now, I have already advised you not to look for sin in a word. It seems you and some others latch on to a word or a phrase and suddenly the poster is in error, without understanding a word posted.
Please stop this avenue of condemnation. If you do not understand what the Children of Yahweh have to share, take a lesson from Mary, keep it to yourself until you do.
What I have posted and you have bothered to quote here goes together perfectly.
I believe all named theologies are apostetic.
As I have always maintained, I believe anyone who calls on the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh in spirit and truth is a member of the Body of Yeshua here on the earth because they love Him.
I know by the Word there are many believers in the Zona Gadol or Great Whore, otherwise the Father would not inform us He is calling His children out of her so they do not share in her punishment.
It stands to reason, and it is common sense if the Zona Gadol, that Whore, is the mother of whores, those who love Yeshua will also be called out of them. Perhaps you have not read these teachings in the Word.
Now, I have already advised you not to look for sin in a word. It seems you and some others latch on to a word or a phrase and suddenly the poster is in error, without understanding a word posted.
Please stop this avenue of condemnation. If you do not understand what the Children of Yahweh have to share, take a lesson from Mary, keep it to yourself until you do.
U
Cool we're thread hopping now. 
So is this the context?
[video=youtube;2Ec-kZGKnQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ec-kZGKnQ8[/video]
So is this the context?
[video=youtube;2Ec-kZGKnQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ec-kZGKnQ8[/video]
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in the future please CITE YOUR SOURCES.
- a rule in most forums.
i often wonder why people choose not to.
ya - the UNBIBLICAL practice of cutting up the sacred Word into pieces; shuffling them around; inserting gaps and non-existent "dispensations".
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Dispensation:
primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship," Luk 16:2-4; elsewhere only in the Epistles of Paul, who applies it
(a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1Cr 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");
(b) to the stewardship committed to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Eph 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"
(c) in Eph 1:10; 3:9, it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ. In Eph 3:9 some mss. have koinonia, "fellowship," for oikonomia, "dispensation." In 1Ti 1:4 oikonomia may mean either a stewardship in the sense of (a) above, or a "dispensation" in the sense of (c). The reading oikodomia, "edifying," in some mss., is not to be accepted.
See STEWARDSHIP.
Note:
A "dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cp. oikonomos, "a steward," and oikonomeo, "to be a steward."
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
1 Strong's Number: g3622 Greek: oikonomia
- a rule in most forums.
i often wonder why people choose not to.
ya - the UNBIBLICAL practice of cutting up the sacred Word into pieces; shuffling them around; inserting gaps and non-existent "dispensations".
...
Dispensation:
primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship," Luk 16:2-4; elsewhere only in the Epistles of Paul, who applies it
(a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1Cr 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");
(b) to the stewardship committed to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Eph 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"
(c) in Eph 1:10; 3:9, it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ. In Eph 3:9 some mss. have koinonia, "fellowship," for oikonomia, "dispensation." In 1Ti 1:4 oikonomia may mean either a stewardship in the sense of (a) above, or a "dispensation" in the sense of (c). The reading oikodomia, "edifying," in some mss., is not to be accepted.
See STEWARDSHIP.
Note:
A "dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cp. oikonomos, "a steward," and oikonomeo, "to be a steward."
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
1 Strong's Number: g3622 Greek: oikonomia
Dear LINDA:
would you please enlighten me as to where you stand on this theological and soteriological statement by BradC?
do you agree or disagree (if disagree, why)?:
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
i look forward to your answer.
it'll go a long way toward defining your personalized version of dispensationalism.
thank you,
zone
would you please enlighten me as to where you stand on this theological and soteriological statement by BradC?
do you agree or disagree (if disagree, why)?:
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
i look forward to your answer.
it'll go a long way toward defining your personalized version of dispensationalism.
thank you,
zone
perhaps you have not understood the Great Whore was 1st century Jerusalem.
knowing why it was might help you tread with greater caution re: judaizing today; and/or encouraging jewish people in their unbelief (by "leaving them alone" since you do not appear to understand that when the Word (NT) says no distinction, He means it).
knowing why it was might help you tread with greater caution re: judaizing today; and/or encouraging jewish people in their unbelief (by "leaving them alone" since you do not appear to understand that when the Word (NT) says no distinction, He means it).