John baptizes Jesus

[Grace777x70]

our hearts should always be willing to follow all of Christ's patterns that He performed for us,
after all, He did them out of Love....

I agree.

But unfortunately that is not the issue..the issue is to some people we are not regenerated ie...born of the Holy Spirit nor do they have remission of sins as is also falsely taught with this teaching unless we are water baptized of which the scriptures clearly show that is false. Look at Acts 10 People got water baptized after they believed in Christ.

Believers that die before they have a chance to be water baptized according to this false teaching would mean that they do not receive remission of sins nor are they regenerated ( born-again )...and thus go to hell.

This above clearly violates the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is a very important topic to believers in Christ. No one says NOT to be water baptized.

 

[valiant]

So why was Jesus bound and taken over into Jordan by Ananias and his son-in-law to be baptized?

News to me.

Then again, does anyone have a plausible explanation why Roman soldiers be present at the baptism of the multitude as reflected by scriptures since they served under their god Emperor Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti filius Augustus, which divi filius in Latin represents Tiberius' being deified as the son of God?

because they were local syrian auxiliaries and were interested in John's message

 

[Grace777x70]

If water baptism is needed in order obtain the remission of sins and to have regeneration happen as is falsely taught by some. When did the disciples get water baptized after Christ died on the cross and then was resurrected?

They would still need to have been water baptized after Christ's death and resurrection before they could be regenerated and to receive the remission of sins according to the water regeneration theory.

Even if they were water baptized by John - this still doesn't negate the need to be water baptized AFTER Christ rose from the dead as the "water baptism regenerationists believe" - in order to have remission of sins and to be regenerated.

John's baptism was different from Christ's baptism that He gives to the believers.

When Peter said to the whole group of Jews in Acts 2:38...repent and be baptized.....there must have been many of them there that were already baptized by John because it seems that only the Pharisees/Sadducees and scribes didn't get water baptized by John. So, that throws a whole other wrench into the mix here.

There are so many holes in this false teaching about needing to be water baptized in order to receive remission of sins and the regeneration for the Holy Spirit.

This completely violates all the clear, multiple scriptures to believe on Christ to be saved.

Look at Acts 10:43-48 - clearly they were saved first and had already received the Holy Spirit - which is being born-again by the Spirit and being baptized into the body of Christ...then they were water baptized.

 

[valiant]

Baptism as a public display is essentially and evangelical invention. Earliest church fathers wrote that it was where the new birth took place (and Paul seems to as well in Romans 6).

I think that Christ got baptized after the pattern in the law in which the high priest first bathed in water and then was anointed with oil. Christ was first immersed in water by John, a Levite priest, then he was anointed with the holy spirit by GOD to 'fulfill all righteousness' as he told John. In reading the verses below, notice that Christ was baptized at the 'door' of heaven like the high priest was commissioned at the door of the tabernacle.

And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water. ... Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour [it] upon his head, and anoint him. Exodus 29:4, 7

​Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John in order to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered [and] said to him, “Permit [it] now, for in this way it is right for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted him. Now [after he] was baptized, Jesus immediately went up from the water, and behold, the heavens opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon him. And behold, [there was] a voice from heaven saying, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:13-17​

So in essence, water baptism seems to be following this same pattern of being washed by a 'priest' (baptized into forgiveness of sins in the name, i.e., authority, of Christ), then anointed by GOD (receive the holy spirit). We are all priests in the new covenant.

you do have weird ideas

 

[Born_Again]

Another Baptism thread? The other one hasnt even calmed down yet LOL

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus being water baptized for the forgiveness of sins by John's baptism was simply Jesus identifying with us as He was the God-Man and our representative.

Jesus did no sin and didn't need to have the forgiveness of sins until God used His own blood to raised Jesus from the dead - just like He did for us with His own blood.

Jesus took all the sin of the whole world, past, present and future and it was laid upon Him. He was the Lamb that took away the sin of the whole world.

Hebrews 13:20 (NASB)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Wow you guys just don't stop. One thread after another on this topic. Just let it go and come up with something new

 

[Magenta]

Another Baptism thread? The other one hasnt even calmed down yet LOL

The other one went gang busters. This one is calmer and more relaxed

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Wow you guys just don't stop. One thread after another on this topic. Just let it go and come up with something new

The poster who started the thread is newer, it might be helpful to post rules against discussing baptism.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

The poster who started the thread is newer, it might be helpful to post rules against discussing baptism.

Nah, I'm talking about the others who use any excuse to rehash all this nonsense. The thread isn't even about the OP. It is all about I'm right and you are wrong. Let it go

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Nah, I'm talking about the others who use any excuse to rehash all this nonsense. The thread isn't even about the OP. It is all about I'm right and you are wrong. Let it go

I dont believe the thread was started by someone who actually particiapted in the other threads where there was great opposition to the words of Christ, but I wouldnt tell such a one to let go of their questions because others couldnt take up the topic civilly.

I might add for the others to add the scripture for the person and consider letting go of speaking garbage (or the other nonsense) because we can probably agree that scripture isnt the nonsense and letting go of his words wouldnt be advisable, just let go of being contentious about things.

 

[Magenta]

I dont believe the thread was started by someone who actually particiapted in the other threads where there was great opposition to the words of Christ, but I wouldnt tell such a one to let go of their questions because others couldnt take up the topic civilly.

I might add for the others to add the scripture for the person and consider letting go of speaking garbage (or the other nonsense) because we can probably agree that scripture isnt the nonsense and letting go of his words wouldnt be advisable, just let go of being contentious about things.

What nonsense is this about people greatly opposing the words of Christ?

 

[pottersclay]

You let me down pilgrim...after the many wonderful post you posted that touched me and taught me you let me down............wrong flag....just saying.....

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

What nonsense is this about people greatly opposing the words of Christ?

If there was no opposition to the words of Jesus Christ there would not have been any contention, not all agreed

If you feel all agreed in word and in action with Jesus Christ we differ, we will have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

You let me down pilgrim...after the many wonderful post you posted that touched me and taught me you let me down............wrong flag....just saying.....

You know, I was looking for another one but I just figured the U.S flag better symbolized "all nations" to a certain extent so I tossed it up there lol (Sorry I dispointed ya)

 

[Grace777x70]

What nonsense is this about people greatly opposing the words of Christ?

It could mean that if some people don't interpret a scripture in the same way they do - then you are opposing the words of Jesus. This is what some people are really saying when they say - you are opposing the words of Jesus, Paul, God, the Holy Spirit, the word of God..etc.

Not saying the poster is saying that as I don't know what is being referred to in the post itself.

 

[Magenta]

If there was no opposition to the words of Jesus Christ there would not have been any contention, not all agreed

If you feel all agreed in word and in action with Jesus Christ we differ, we will have to agree to disagree on that.

Nobody disagreed with what Jesus said, but what was meant by what He said. Maybe that is too fine a distinction for some to make. Just like how some continually tried to accuse others of turning people away from and/or denying baptism altogether. Such nonsense! The issue in this particular discussion was and always has been: does water baptism save? If you think Jesus said that water baptism saves, please provide the Scriptures. I know you will not be able to, because He said no such thing.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Nobody disagreed with what Jesus said, but what was meant by what He said.(smip)

Whatever you feel better in calling it, no one agreed in Christ's words perfectly and there was contention, I am not going to sit here and argue you with what to call not agreeing in Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I agree.

But unfortunately that is not the issue..the issue is to some people we are not regenerated ie...born of the Holy Spirit nor do they have remission of sins as is also falsely taught with this teaching [/B]unless we are water baptized of which the scriptures clearly show that is false. Look at Acts 10 People got water baptized after they believed in Christ

Look at Acts 22. Paul also got baptized after he believed in Christ. But his sins weren't forgiven until he was baptized.

And I [Paul] answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. ... And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. ...

And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt [there], Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, ... now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Acts 22:8-16​

 

[Grace777x70]

Never let an obscure scripture that seems to go against the abundance of clear multiple scriptures and rob you from the truth of these clear scriptures.

If that obscure scripture is going against clear multiple scriptures - it means we are not interpreting it correctly. We need to rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in that scripture. He will show us how it fits in.

The book of Hebrews talks about the cleansing or washing of the conscience.

Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Acts 22:16 Water baptism does not produce forgiveness of sins. This is referring to the cleansing of our consciences that comes through obeying the Lord’s commands. That is what Peter spoke of in 1 Peter 3:21, “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”