John baptizes Jesus

Zmouth · May 4, 2016

Oh, wait, I thought it Isaiah the prophet referenced in Luke 3 but it was Esaias the prophet, then obviously he wasn't was escorted by them since it is written in the Word that "Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized,"

valiant said:

82, wow that is great. Interested spectators is certainty one perspective, yet Luke 3:14 seems to suggest a little more that spectator role, "And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do?" or at least in my opinion.

But I will definitely look into the syrian auxillaries. Thanks.

PilgrimPassingThru · May 4, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Look at Acts 22. Paul also got baptized after he believed in Christ. But his sins weren't forgiven until he was baptized.

And I [Paul] answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. ... And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. ...

And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt [there], Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, ... now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Acts 22:8-16

Thanks for this one, I missed catching this one as perfectly as you had just put it forth without using so many words to do it.

Magenta · May 4, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Good, I am glad you will not argue with me because I don't like people arguing with me

You saying people were opposing what Christ said was wrong, plain and simple. Jesus never said to be water baptized, or that water baptism saves.

Grace777x70 · May 4, 2016

It is the blood of Jesus that washes our sins away - not water baptism. This is false teaching that water baptism washes sins away when the abundance of scripture testifies to that it is the blood of Jesus ONLY that saves and washes our sins away. Water baptism is an outward representation of what happened when we believed in Christ.

Matthew 26:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

It's in faith in His blood that we have remission of sins. - not faith in being water baptized. This is what activate the righteousness of God to operate in our lives to come into our spirits to make us new creations in Him..

Romans 3:25 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

hornetguy · May 4, 2016

Mags.... (can I call you that? Don't go all purple on me, now...

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I think we can infer that Jesus approved of water baptism, because He and His disciples were doing just that.

In fact, John's disciples were ticked because Jesus and his disciples were baptizing more folks than they were...

I don't think water baptism by itself saves, but it is for the forgiveness of sins.

PilgrimPassingThru · May 4, 2016

Magenta said:

I Just quoted Jesus

And I certainly dont want to argue with his words, but agree with him.

Grace777x70 · May 4, 2016

If we really look at what was said to Paul in context in Acts 22 we will see exactly what Paul was "appointed" to do. Thank God he did get water baptized and had a clear conscience before God now.

Acts 22:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "And I said, 'What shall I do, Lord?' And the Lord said to me, 'Get up and go on into Damascus, and there you will be told of all that has been appointed for you to do.'

Acts 22:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "And he said, 'The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] 'For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard.

Paul was "appointed" to know the will of God, see the Righteous One, hear an utterance from His voice, be a witness of Him to all men.

Grace777x70 · May 4, 2016

hornetguy said:

No one is saying NOT to be water baptized. Here you have said water baptism is for the forgiveness of sins when tons of scripture say it's by the blood of Jesus that we have forgiveness of sins and that we believe in Christ and what He has done.

In this religion of water baptism in order to receive forgiveness of sins - if a person dies before they get water baptized - they don't have forgiveness of sins even though they have received Jesus as their Lord.

This is not the gospel of the grace of Christ and this is completely false teaching and is in effect anti-Christ belief. Water baptism does not save - Jesus blood redeemed us and we have that through by grace through faith in Him only.

Every believer should get water baptized as it is representative of what happened to us when we heard the gospel and received Christ by faith.

Magenta · May 4, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

You cannot say Jesus said to be water baptized because He did not, nor did He say that water baptism saves. Have you invited me to an argument? Funny, you said you were not going to argue with me, and yet you persist. I expect people to do what they say. Unreasonable of me, I know.

Grace777x70 · May 4, 2016

There is obviously a difference between being water baptized and being baptized into the body of Christ when a person believes.

Some people get this mixed up as the water baptism is representative of what already happened to us when we believed in Christ.

Some people see "baptized" and all they can think about is water. It means to be "immersed into something"

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Romans 6:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Here is a scripture that shows the word "baptized" does not always mean water. It's a representative of being baptized into Moses and this was not being immersed in water in Moses.

1 Corinthians 10:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Acts 10 shows this perfectly as they did receive the Holy Spirit after they believed in Christ. Then they were water baptized. Eph. 1:13 shows this as well.

PurerInHeart · May 4, 2016

Jesus got baptized for the purpose of us following His lead.

Magenta · May 4, 2016

PurerInHeart said:

Jesus said it was to fulfill all righteousness.
Did He fulfill all righteousness or not?

PurerInHeart · May 4, 2016

Magenta said:

Yes, showing us how to go to heaven was fulfilling Gods will which is righteousness.

Devonmcknight68 · May 4, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Yeah my question was really just pertaining to Jesus being baptized, I brought up personal baptism which I now realize was a bad idea. Lol

PilgrimPassingThru · May 4, 2016

hornetguy said:

I agree with you, and not to come in between here, but just to have somewhat of a non combatant post to springboard off of I am using yours (but just to post to the thread some references if these be helpful to anyone else).

I couldnt even post them all but here are a few this way

Johns baptism with water unto repentance

John came in the way of righteousness, they fulfilled it together

And Jesus begins baptizing with water along with John

The Pharisees have found out that Jesus is water baptizing more disciples the John

So he takes off because this there is no room in them for his word or Gods counsel

Jesus states of John,

They ask if Jesus has a devil also

After Jesus Christ's resurrection he said,

Peter preaches baptism

Philip also preached Jesus Christ and baptized in water

Peter commanded the baptism of the Gentiles in water

Peter did not command circumcision

As they were earlier baptized in Acts 10:47-48

Like figure whereunto doth also now save us

The blood of Jesus and our bodies washed with water

One body (even of believers) one Spirit, one Lord and one baptism

As Christ the Lord (the head of the body) went into water (came up and out) the Spirit of God descended
These shown together (buried in one and raised into the other in the same)

Buried with him in baptism ""wherein"" ye are also risen with him
"through faith" of "the operation of God"

The doctrine of baptisms

Paul was commanded to be baptized

Jesus said it would be told Paul what he should do

The word Jesus had spoken

God bearing (the above) witness in the same following these

Shows in Jesus the same signs performed among them

We also being buried with him by baptism into death Romans 6:4

The baptizing of the circumcision

As it says,

The same message given to the Gentiles who had already received the Holy Ghost

Johns baptism where is it from?

They would not submit to Gods counsel or go in the way of righteousness

They rejected the counsel of God against themselves and would not justify God in that doing
as the people did.

Johns baptism where is it from?

As John was sent to do so. He preached Jesus Christ

As Christ was manifested in the flesh so also would he be in us

Grace777x70 · May 4, 2016

Thank God that the blood of Jesus bought our redemption and now we walk in newness of life. The Lord gives us water baptism to represent what happened to us when we believed in Christ and received the Holy Spirit who baptized us into the body of Christ.

This is the same principal as what Communion represents to us about the death and the blood of Jesus shed for the remission of our sins.

The disciples would have to have been water baptized AFTER Christ's death and resurrection in order to receive this "transfer of the remission of sins and to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit " when people are water baptized as some teach.

All believers should get water baptized! Let's watch some here. it always blesses me to watch as I "see" again what Christ has done for me in the death of my old man and I arose to newness of life with my new creation in Christ.

[video=youtube;O2yZs28S67I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2yZs28S67I[/video]

We love to watch people get water baptized

PilgrimPassingThru · May 4, 2016

Magenta said:

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[TD="class: post, colspan: 2"]You would have to quote my words exactly concerning your issues, other then water or the Holy Ghost if you would like to add that Jesus was not having his disciples baptize with water but with the Holy Ghost in John (contrary to Acts 1:1 included below then feel free to show it.

Jesus went out to John to be water baptized

Even Jesus baptized while John was

Not the Pharisees and lawyers rejected God in rejecting John's baptism

And these found out Jesus baptized even more then John

You could chose to say that Jesus was baptizing many (even more then John) and with the Holy Ghost in John 3:22 before he was glorified

But we would have to make it koolaid for the following reasons

After His resurrection he commanded them the same saying,

Even as we see Peter preaching the same in Acts 2

And Philip here, baptizing the enuch in Acts 8

And later Peter also commanding the Gentiles who already received the Holy Ghost to be baptized

And we also see later at the counsel where the Pharisee were adding circumcision to Christ's command

Peter reproves them here over adding circumcision after the manner of Moses here

Peter was not reproving baptism asit was Peter who commanded the Gentiles to be baptized
(not circumcised)

As these indeed show their hearts were purified by faith

Peter shows there is no difference between circumcision (after the flesh) or uncircumcision (after the flesh)

Peter is not commanding circumcision (as they who believed of the Pharisees were) Peter did however command the Gentiles to be baptized as he did the other here

Regardless whether the Holy Spirit come upon them after or before, both were still commanded to be baptized just not circumcised, See also Galation 5:2

Again, here the cicumcision observing the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost, the command still follows

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HeRoseFromTheDead · May 4, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

LOL. I just noticed the Like Stone

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 4, 2016

True or false. People's sins were forgiven at John's baptism.

mpaper345 · May 4, 2016

Devonmcknight68 said:

The Bible says that there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God,to represent mankind.No man is sinless,so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind back to Himself,in the person of Jesus Christ,God,and man,in harmony.

Jesus had no need to be baptized,for He is sinless,and John did not want to baptize Jesus,for he said,I need to be baptized of you,but Jesus said suffer it to be so now,for it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness.

Jesus had to fulfill the law,and do everything a man had to do to be right with God,so even though He did not need to be baptized,He was baptized,as part of fulfilling all righteousness,because He had to so everything a man had to do to be right with God.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,He was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

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