Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

[Tankman131]

For some, a falsehood repeated enough becomes his truth. My post is with understaqnding. The only feelings I have from reading the Word is the Love that is Jesus. Perhaps this too will be construed as feelings.

You believe it is a feeling to understand if we judge others so shall we be judged? Do you believe it is a feeling that with the mercy we give shall we receive? Sorry my friend , but this is understanding from the Word, and the Word is Jesus Chrisst when accompanied by teh Holy Spsirit.

May God blessyou with His personal touch in understanding.

nice attempt at twisting MY words. You do it enough with the Bible and that is horrible, dont do it with what i say as well.

>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Again, JM has helped me in her preaching.
>[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]I have felt the Presence of the Holy Spirit in her preaching on occasion, and when I have, the spirit within me witnessed to this event with joy.

All about feelings. Tell me. What if that spirit within you was not the Holy Spirit?
her teaching is unbiblical and false doctrine so i highly doubt the Holy Spirit would be saying "HURRAY ANOTHER CHARLATAN TWISTING MY WORD!"
Your feelings are subjective.
The objective word of God shows she is a false teacher, a wolf in sheeps clothing.

As for judging:

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

[/FONT]Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

It appears that scripture teaches the believer to judge whether preachers tell the Truth or are pseudochristos as these televangelists are.[/FONT]

 

[Tankman131]

For some, a falsehood repeated enough becomes his truth. My post is with understaqnding. The only feelings I have from reading the Word is the Love that is Jesus. Perhaps this too will be construed as feelings.

You believe it is a feeling to understand if we judge others so shall we be judged? Do you believe it is a feeling that with the mercy we give shall we receive? Sorry my friend , but this is understanding from the Word, and the Word is Jesus Chrisst when accompanied by teh Holy Spsirit.

May God blessyou with His personal touch in understanding.

As for judging.
Is judging unrighteously and with contempt or hypocrisy wrong? Absolutely. Im not judging the false teachers out of spite or because im an envious twit as Nancy put it. Im doing so in hopes of keeping fellow brothers out of the sweep of the dragon's tail. My language and tone (can forum text truly convey tone effectively?) may at times become contemptuous towards those who are blinded and that is a failing of mine. Through God's work in my life i hope to become better at that.

It does not change the fact that im only doing this in hopes my brothers and sisters will turn from falsehood. I apologize for my failings and hope you all can forgive me. Dont let my failings or your feelings keep you from seeing the truth.

 

[PeterJens]

I am in no way at the pinnacle if my walk. I just wonder how you can teach doctrines of faith, supposedly Holy Spirit inspired, and then one day decide it was wrong? I mean if you truly believed what you were teaching came from the Holy Spirit, and you look into that camera and teach it as from the Holy Spirit, how do you decide its not from the Holy Spirit anymore?

The problem I have is all the Latter rain heresy came out of her mouth, little gods, command theology, Jesus descending into hell and being dominated by demons, Jesus being born again.

This is not minor issues, not something you say, oh I was wrong. This is heresy, blasphemy, something you need to repent of, something the Holy Spirit would not be a part of. But if you have a pile of manure in your house, you were just experimenting, trying things out. No you have zero authority, zero credibility and cannot discern selfish ambition from brokenness before the Lord.

I listened to JM latest talk on hope. My hope is in Jesus and the love he planted in my heart. Everything of this world, my possessions, my ambitions, my dreams are a nothing to this hope. If God turned it all upside down and wanted me somewhere else, then Amen. I just want His will, that which He would intend and to learn His hopes and dreams.

All JM said was God will deliver to you all your hopes. That is a lie, it is just flattery, saying the persons view of life and expectation has no problem, and Gods role on earth is to fulfill the hopes of His people. Do we give our children all their hopes and dreams? No, because most are just insane, impossible and change tomorrow. Most of social sin is because peoples hopes and dreams are wrong and purely selfish, to the detriment of others and themselves.

Almost everyone of any income bracket when asked the question how much income would be enough, they said twice their current amount. That is the greed and drive in human nature, yet wise JM does not see this, nor even address the reality of sin. She is 100% not a woman of God or of wisdom. Yet those here raise her up to be admired. You can judge the depth of their understanding based on this one admiration.

 

[Brother_Don]

it seems like joyce has probably led a lot more people to Christ than i have, she has probably fed, clothed, and sheltered more people than i ever have, or ever will. Before speaking negative of someone, wouldn't it be better to try and see the right they have done? instead of the things that don't seem right, a lot of the time the right will out way the not so right. Jesus said, if they are for us they are not against us. Lets try not judging others negative by their walk with Jesus, but try seeing what they have done right in their walk with Jesus.

 

[Tankman131]

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it seems like joyce has probably led a lot more people to Christ than i have, she has probably fed, clothed, and sheltered more people than i ever have, or ever will. Before speaking negative of someone, wouldn't it be better to try and see the right they have done? instead of the things that don't seem right, a lot of the time the right will out way the not so right. Jesus said, if they are for us they are not against us. Lets try not judging others negative by their walk with Jesus, but try seeing what they have done right in their walk with Jesus.

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The problem I have is all the Latter rain heresy came out of her mouth, little gods, command theology, Jesus descending into hell and being dominated by demons, Jesus being born again.

This is not minor issues, not something you say, oh I was wrong. This is heresy, blasphemy, something you need to repent of, something the Holy Spirit would not be a part of. But if you have a pile of manure in your house, you were just experimenting, trying things out. No you have zero authority, zero credibility and cannot discern selfish ambition from brokenness before the Lord.

I listened to JM latest talk on hope. My hope is in Jesus and the love he planted in my heart. Everything of this world, my possessions, my ambitions, my dreams are a nothing to this hope. If God turned it all upside down and wanted me somewhere else, then Amen. I just want His will, that which He would intend and to learn His hopes and dreams.

All JM said was God will deliver to you all your hopes. That is a lie, it is just flattery, saying the persons view of life and expectation has no problem, and Gods role on earth is to fulfill the hopes of His people. Do we give our children all their hopes and dreams? No, because most are just insane, impossible and change tomorrow. Most of social sin is because peoples hopes and dreams are wrong and purely selfish, to the detriment of others and themselves.

Almost everyone of any income bracket when asked the question how much income would be enough, they said twice their current amount. That is the greed and drive in human nature, yet wise JM does not see this, nor even address the reality of sin. She is 100% not a woman of God or of wisdom. Yet those here raise her up to be admired. You can judge the depth of their understanding based on this one admiration.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ teaches we are to "judge for ourselves what is right." This is by no means to judge unto condemnation, it is simply and truly to judge for ourselves what is rigth, otherwise we are hypocrits as were the Pharisees He was addressing.

When I judge for myself what is right and correct, it is in obedience to Jesus Christ, and not yielding to false accusations and innuendo.

Where is teh hypocrisy? That I repeat the words of our Lord and His teacings whenever possible with understanding? God would rather hear a few words with understanding thant the entire Bible quoted back to Him rote.

All I post is based on understanding given me by the Word in the Holy Spirit. If you wish to continue to call this my personal feelings, please, help yourself, but it is a lie.

As for judging.
Is judging unrighteously and with contempt or hypocrisy wrong? Absolutely. Im not judging the false teachers out of spite or because im an envious twit as Nancy put it. Im doing so in hopes of keeping fellow brothers out of the sweep of the dragon's tail. My language and tone (can forum text truly convey tone effectively?) may at times become contemptuous towards those who are blinded and that is a failing of mine. Through God's work in my life i hope to become better at that.

It does not change the fact that im only doing this in hopes my brothers and sisters will turn from falsehood. I apologize for my failings and hope you all can forgive me. Dont let my failings or your feelings keep you from seeing the truth.

 

[Tankman131]

it seems like joyce has probably led a lot more people to Christ than i have, she has probably fed, clothed, and sheltered more people than i ever have, or ever will. Before speaking negative of someone, wouldn't it be better to try and see the right they have done? instead of the things that don't seem right, a lot of the time the right will out way the not so right. Jesus said, if they are for us they are not against us. Lets try not judging others negative by their walk with Jesus, but try seeing what they have done right in their walk with Jesus.

Bill Gates (an avid atheists) gives millions to charity annually. This does not mean he is someone i want to model my Christian life after. Just because Joyce gives a little of her income to charity doesnt change the fact that she preaches heresy to itching ears. She preaches a narcissistic gospel where the self is the focus and God is the background character. This is not biblical and quite possibly does not lead to saving faith due to the huge falsehoods in her professed theology.

 

[Tankman131]

Jesus Christ teaches we are to "judge for ourselves what is right." This is by no means to judge unto condemnation, it is simply and truly to judge for ourselves what is rigth, otherwise we are hypocrits as were the Pharisees He was addressing.

When I judge for myself what is right and correct, it is in obedience to Jesus Christ, and not yielding to false accusations and innuendo.

Where is teh hypocrisy? That I repeat the words of our Lord and His teacings whenever possible with understanding? God would rather hear a few words with understanding thant the entire Bible quoted back to Him rote.

All I post is based on understanding given me by the Word in the Holy Spirit. If you wish to continue to call this my personal feelings, please, help yourself, but it is a lie.

*rubs eyes with thumb and forefinger*

i see. Im beating my head against a wall with you so ill leave it to more patient people to hopefully show you the truth.

 

[JaumeJ]

Now you are posting from feelings. You have done this many times in this sthread, while accusing those who post from learning from the Word of posting their feelings.

For you, hear the Word of the Lord. You will know a tree by the fruit it bears.

When the hypocrites arrive to judgement they will all be taken aback by just who is admitted and who not. We all must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

Be certain when accusing others of posting feelings and not possting God's truth that you do not have an encyclopedia in your eye....

Bill Gates (an avid atheists) gives millions to charity annually. This does not mean he is someone i want to model my Christian life after. Just because Joyce gives a little of her income to charity doesnt change the fact that she preaches heresy to itching ears. She preaches a narcissistic gospel where the self is the focus and God is the background character. This is not biblical and quite possibly does not lead to saving faith due to the huge falsehoods in her professed theology.

 

[Brother_Don]

If the people she has led to the water are truly seeking do you think that Jesus will let them be deceived? Doesn't it seem like if the water is bitter that Jesus will take care of it? Having our hearts after Jesus is the key to understanding. The Father won't let us be misled when we are truly seeking what He wants from us.

 

[PeterJens]

If the people she has led to the water are truly seeking do you think that Jesus will let them be deceived? Doesn't it seem like if the water is bitter that Jesus will take care of it? Having our hearts after Jesus is the key to understanding. The Father won't let us be misled when we are truly seeking what He wants from us.

You are exactly right. Jesus does not let His children be deceived. Another way of putting this, the fruit of their teaching will find them out. But I have learnt, it is important to shine the light of truth and reality onto people and their ideas, especially is the oppose or attack those who are doing good and teaching good things. If people also are harmed or damaged by contact with these groups then things need to be said.

I am part of a NAR new group, who share common experiences and failures of the behaviour and doctrines of these leaders. Now if you are happy to see sheep led to the slaughter by wolves, then follow your leading of silence, but we are called to be salt and light, to be real, to teach how people are to face up to reality within and reach out to Jesus to find the solutions.

There was a time when I would have been reluctant to talk so positively, but not now.

 

[FancyNancy]

The problem I have is all the Latter rain heresy came out of her mouth, little gods, command theology, Jesus descending into hell and being dominated by demons, Jesus being born again.

This is not minor issues, not something you say, oh I was wrong. This is heresy, blasphemy, something you need to repent of, something the Holy Spirit would not be a part of. But if you have a pile of manure in your house, you were just experimenting, trying things out. No you have zero authority, zero credibility and cannot discern selfish ambition from brokenness before the Lord.

I listened to JM latest talk on hope. My hope is in Jesus and the love he planted in my heart. Everything of this world, my possessions, my ambitions, my dreams are a nothing to this hope. If God turned it all upside down and wanted me somewhere else, then Amen. I just want His will, that which He would intend and to learn His hopes and dreams.

All JM said was God will deliver to you all your hopes. That is a lie, it is just flattery, saying the persons view of life and expectation has no problem, and Gods role on earth is to fulfill the hopes of His people. Do we give our children all their hopes and dreams? No, because most are just insane, impossible and change tomorrow. Most of social sin is because peoples hopes and dreams are wrong and purely selfish, to the detriment of others and themselves.

Almost everyone of any income bracket when asked the question how much income would be enough, they said twice their current amount. That is the greed and drive in human nature, yet wise JM does not see this, nor even address the reality of sin. She is 100% not a woman of God or of wisdom. Yet those here raise her up to be admired. You can judge the depth of their understanding based on this one admiration.

This is just wild conjecture.

Joyce Meyer is 100% sold out to Jesus. Her ministry does MUCH for the destitute, prisoners, sexual trafficking, people in countries that need medical care, housing, clean water and food, not to mention bringing the message of hope found only in Jesus Christ, as well as a focus on building up believers to become strong giants in the world, as well as to become free people in Christ. That you tear her to shreds and make such vile judgments about her walk, her message and her life is disgusting and doesn't come from a clean or wise heart where Holy Spirit leads.

You just do not know what you are talking about. Unless your own ministry and the fruit that emanates from it equals or exceeds hers, then you have no room to talk.

 

[FancyNancy]

I am in no way at the pinnacle if my walk. I just wonder how you can teach doctrines of faith, supposedly Holy Spirit inspired, and then one day decide it was wrong? I mean if you truly believed what you were teaching came from the Holy Spirit, and you look into that camera and teach it as from the Holy Spirit, how do you decide its not from the Holy Spirit anymore?

I have never had to recant anything! Holy Spirit makes Himself heard, and teaches well. The gospel message hasn't changed, has it?

 

[FancyNancy]

Cults 101: Checklist of Cult Characteristics

checklist of a cult Joyce Meyer

‪☑️ The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
‪☑️ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
‪☑️ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
‪☑️ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
‪☑️ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
‪☑️ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
‪☑️ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
‪☑️ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
‪☑️ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
‪☑️ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
‪☑️ The group is preoccupied with making money.
‪☑️ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
‪☑️ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

What horse hockey some nut has made up and you've fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. What's the matter with people today? They can't think for themselves so they go to the nearest Tom, Dick or Harriet who posts something that tickles their ears and agrees with their erroneous thinking and all of a sudden it's post-worthy at a Christian forum? Does anyone here have any true Holy Spirit discernment?

I didn't think so.

It's all lies.

 

[FancyNancy]

As for judging.
Is judging unrighteously and with contempt or hypocrisy wrong? Absolutely. Im not judging the false teachers out of spite or because im an envious twit as Nancy put it. Im doing so in hopes of keeping fellow brothers out of the sweep of the dragon's tail. My language and tone (can forum text truly convey tone effectively?) may at times become contemptuous towards those who are blinded and that is a failing of mine. Through God's work in my life i hope to become better at that.

It does not change the fact that im only doing this in hopes my brothers and sisters will turn from falsehood. I apologize for my failings and hope you all can forgive me. Dont let my failings or your feelings keep you from seeing the truth.

Ahh, but you have contempt for people who are walking with the Lord, led by the Holy Spirit. It seems you cannot discern who your brothers and sisters really are. To me you are allowing your feelings to cloud good judgment, to the point of being spiteful and causing strife among us. It's all emotional. You hurt people in your self-ascribed zeal.

(As for the "twit" remark, I only said that if a person doesn't really know what he is talking about, then that kind of person comes off as a twit. It was not a direct insult, although I have been charged with that. I apologize for it, however, as it was deemed a personal insult.)

 

[ladylynn]

It's a full time job for me to live my own Christian life. I have always wondered why some people make it their life's work to follow other people's Christian walk with Jesus and appoint themselves mini holy spirits. There are tons of sites that only exist for the sole purpose to seek out and find others who disagree with what they say the Bible teaches.
They then "label" and "denounce" their sentence upon who they find and begin a smear campaign to spread their findings to all who follow their broad castings.

They make lists of people who may fit into their criteria of who's who in the heretic world and then find unity among themselves in the process. There is some kind of happiness in this type of unity for some.

Judging others is a very easy thing to do. As human beings we have a natural inclination to find fault with others. It's what we do! It's in our DNA. As born again Christians its our responsibility to look to Jesus and by the renewing of our minds learn not to judge people's hearts and to allow the Holy Spirit to do the convicting and the leading. It has been my observation that He needs no help in this job. He does it 100% well. Judging hearts is something God has not equipped us to do. If someone speaks in tongues and believes in miracles and you don't, it's not your place to denounce them as a liar and heretic. If someone uses the money God has blessed them with to begin a ministry and does things with the funds that you don't agree with, it's not your job to denounce them as a liar and heretic. Just because one person would not see the need to buy an item, does not mean the other person has no reason or right to buy it. It seems pretty simple to me.

Again, I heard this story about how a Christian started his ministry with the Lord. It began as a small and tiny seed planted. No one saw it go into the ground. No one was there when it was patiently tended and cared for year after year. The sacrifices made and the work of tilling and weeding. No one saw the tiny leaves sprouting up and how it was tenderly prayed for and nurtured. But when this small plant grew larger and larger and began to yeald lots of fruit and pour out a hundred fold from what it once was, everyone saw it then, it was no longer tiny - obscure and needy.

The tiny plant grew and began to yeald a hundred fold of what it once was and grew more and more as the Lord saw fit. And many were blessed and added to the number but many others also found fault with how the laborers were caring for the once obscure plant that was made to yeald it's fruit and shade for others. And they made it their job to tear it down and make it go away.

I can surely understand the unsaved world doing that to a Christian work since they are doing what the enemy wants, stop the Gospel from being broadcast around the world. But I do not understand how fellow Christians can do it and see nothing wrong with tearing down another believer's labors for the Lord. I believe this is of the many issues the Bible speaks about even the very elect will be deceived in the last days.

 

[popeye]

The joy of the Lord is your strength.
doesnt mean you will have the life she preaches for. Im guessing she thinks Peter just didnt have happy enough thoughts when he was crucified upside down for his faith.

also, the amplified throws context out the window By making the Bible into a form of mad libs instead of using the contextually correct word

I have never owned an amplified version. Never cared for it personally.

As far as Joy is concerned,if it is our stength,then I am for it.

Are you?

 

[FancyNancy]

The Amplified version is simply the bible with the alternative Greek meanings for words, that enhance our understanding. It's not important that anyone use it. It is merely a version of the bible with a tool in it for us. Mountain out of a molehill much?

 

[popeye]

You are exactly right. Jesus does not let His children be deceived. Another way of putting this, the fruit of their teaching will find them out. But I have learnt, it is important to shine the light of truth and reality onto people and their ideas, especially is the oppose or attack those who are doing good and teaching good things. If people also are harmed or damaged by contact with these groups then things need to be said.

I am part of a NAR new group, who share common experiences and failures of the behaviour and doctrines of these leaders. Now if you are happy to see sheep led to the slaughter by wolves, then follow your leading of silence, but we are called to be salt and light, to be real, to teach how people are to face up to reality within and reach out to Jesus to find the solutions.

There was a time when I would have been reluctant to talk so positively, but not now.

luke 9;47 And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,
48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.


mark 9;38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

If people also are harmed or damaged by contact with these groups then things need to be said.

Under that logic,all ministries need this broad brushed condemnation.

 

[SweetShelly35]

She is just another prosperity gospel preacher. Her houses are the size of a mall, and she brags about her good deeds. I don't think she should be preaching at all.