Just me and Ken C, How do you understand Gal 3:2-5? (Others may also respond)

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MarcR

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The reason he was called out is that we both agree that the law of God is to be understood spiritually. Spiritual motivation is the catalyst of living according to the motive of the spiritual persuasion.

Obviously, there are some who have determined that both of us are incorrect in this train of thought, and that we are anti-grace people teaching against grace. To me it's quite ironic that grace came from "The ONE" law giver, and by attributing both grace and law together, that makes us wrong.

This verse says that KennethC is seeing it right. The question; what is the mind of those that differ with him?

Romans 8:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
I did NOT intend this as a 'calling out'. I saw this as an opportunity for Ken C and Just me to clarify their position, in light of this passage, to those of us (myself included ) who stumble over their teachings.

I respect the sincerity of both these men as much as I disagree with (what I see as) the implications of their position.

While I certainly confess to a strong disagreement with what they teach; no disrespect was intended and none seems to have been taken.
 
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How exactly does one "walk in Christ" without any good works of righteousness? Just hoping you would illuminate that scripture a little more.
Good works of righteousness? You mean dirty rags, correct? Because that's what our good works of righteousness are to God -- dirty, filthy rags. And I'd like for you to name those who advocate living life with Christ, without any good works, and show their specific posts which state that, otherwise you're bearing false witness.
 
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Good works of righteousness? You mean dirty rags, correct? Because that's what our good works of righteousness are to God -- dirty, filthy rags. And I'd like for you to name those who advocate living life with Christ, without any good works, and show their specific posts which state that, otherwise you're bearing false witness.
I wasn't talking to you either.
 

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This again is in reference to the works of physical written law observance for their justification, as this is what the whole book of Galatians is speaking on. And again nobody is saying we have to keep and obey the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws.

We seek to be perfected by doing His righteousness in our lives and not by physical ordinance keeping !!!

His righteousness contained within His teachings and commands are not the written ordinances of the Law, they are perfect law of liberty in Christ. It is what guides us to salvation through Him !!!

As we seek and do His ways in our life and not what the Law or our own doing wants to do............
Thank you for responding.


I asked you and Just me to respond to this passage because, while I respect your Sincerity; I, and apparently many others on the forum, tend to stumble over some of your mutual teaching.

I was hoping to either understand your position more clearly; or persuade you of what from my perspective is your error.

I directed this to the two of you because you both seem to me to be the most articulate, most vocal, and least rude of those who hold similar positions.
 
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I would like to show you exactly how I differ from you my friend. I will post your words and make them bold and then state my differing view.

We seek to be perfected by doing His righteousness in our lives and not by physical ordinance keeping !!!

I do not seek to be perfected! I am perfected in Christ. Nothing that I can do can make me more perfect. My perfection is completed by Christ. Therefore my perfection is by faith in him, not in my works. My doing of righteousness is an outward expression of what has already been accomplished inwardly.



His righteousness contained within His teachings and commands are not the written ordinances of the Law, they are perfect law of liberty in Christ. It is what guides us to salvation through Him !!!

I am not guided into salvation. What this implies to me is that you are advocating a salvation that is earned as we obey the teachings and commands of Christ. My salvation is given by grace. That means I do not deserve it and cannot earn it. My salvation is given by my faith that Christ purchased it for me and he gives it to me even though I don't deserve it. The only requirement on my part is to believe that Christ and his grace toward me is my salvation. I must rely on him completely as my savior.
AMEN TO THAT.....no matter how they slice and dice and or deny they teach a working for salvation without a present reality of eternal life....some kind of stupid mental aqusition that you do not recieve until the end....
 
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Then I take it that you believe that the story of the Good Samaritan was teaching about walking in Christ?
In fact, that's a perfect example of walking in the spirit. That work was pure love for another human being. Love not for the sake of GOD, but for the sake of a hurt man. A beautiful story.

He has shown you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord requires of you. To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
 

MarcR

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I did NOT intend this as a 'calling out'. I saw this as an opportunity for Ken C and Just me to clarify their position, in light of this passage, to those of us (myself included ) who stumble over their teachings.

I respect the sincerity of both these men as much as I disagree with (what I see as) the implications of their position.

While I certainly confess to a strong disagreement with what they teach; no disrespect was intended and none seems to have been taken.
It seems I responded to the wrong post. I intended to respond to Elf. No harm done, I hope!
 

MarcR

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rreeowww..hiss..snarl.. growl.. :rolleyes:
Why so? I believe that I, Just me, KenC, and many others on the forum have demonstrated ability to express strong disagreement without anger. We even like some of each other's posts.

I've certainly noticed anger expressed on the forum; but it doesn't seem to emanate from those who treat each other with respect.
 
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Good works of righteousness? You mean dirty rags, correct? Because that's what our good works of righteousness are to God -- dirty, filthy rags. And I'd like for you to name those who advocate living life with Christ, without any good works, and show their specific posts which state that, otherwise you're bearing false witness.
This is compliments the above passage:
As you received Christ Jesus the Lord [by faith], so walk in Him [by faith]. Colossians 2:6

How exactly does one "walk in Christ" without any good works of righteousness? Just hoping you would illuminate that scripture a little more.
Walking in Christ means walking in the spirit, which if a person does (s)he will love others. There is no greater work of righteousness.
Then I take it that you believe that the story of the Good Samaritan was teaching about walking in Christ?

Now, there's the conversation..... Now, where did I say such as you accuse me of?

You're not only a false accuser, you're a liar as well.

Is that too strong? a liar IS what a liar does, isn't he? A psychological projector IS someone who accuses you of accusing others to place the blame on others, yes?

When he quits doing it, I'll quit saying it..... as well as the others like him.

Since I proved I didn't do that Utah..... that means yer busted.
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MarcR

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Good works of righteousness? You mean dirty rags, correct? Because that's what our good works of righteousness are to God -- dirty, filthy rags. And I'd like for you to name those who advocate living life with Christ, without any good works, and show their specific posts which state that, otherwise you're bearing false witness.
Quite true, unless those good works of righteousness are those which the indwelling Holy Spirit ( or in the case of the good Samaritan , the abiding Holy Spirit) works in and through us to the glory of Jesus.
 
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Now, there's the conversation..... Now, where did I say such as you accuse me of?

You're not only a false accuser, you're a liar as well.

Is that too strong? a liar IS what a liar does, isn't he? A psychological projector IS someone who accuses you of accusing others to place the blame on others, yes?

When he quits doing it, I'll quit saying it..... as well as the others like him.

Since I proved I didn't do that Utah..... that means yer busted.
:)
Post 51. Nuff said.
 

Angela53510

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If the gender makes no difference, then the Bible wouldn't specify.

Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. Leviticus 4:28

And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin. Leviticus 5:6


Do you know why a male bull or ram was worth more? Because most of the males were castrated and used for food. So the high priest, and the prince or king, and the people were making a more costly sacrifice. The females were worth less, because there were a lot more of them. Because they were breeding stock. And because the sins they committed were less, and therefore needed an animal that was worth less. Or, a pair of pigeons or doves, or an ephah of flour - a special compensation God gave to the poor, who could not afford the more costly sacrifice!

So they are not specifying the gender, but the WORTH!

And I guess you are clueless as to not only what a metaphor is, but also how the entire book of Proverbs is a metaphor? A comparison without use of like or as. And while there is good advice in Proverbs, it is not meant to be taken literally, as if wisdom was an actual female! Sheesh!

You are reading into the text, that which is not there. You need to more about genre, and the history of the Bible. (Grammar might help, to!)

Then you would not continue to commit these constant egarious errors!
 

MarcR

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I wasn't talking to you either.
Stephen,

Please don't take offense; but, when we post on a public forum, we address the forum; even when we think we are addressing an individual.
 
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I would like to show you exactly how I differ from you my friend. I will post your words and make them bold and then state my differing view.

We seek to be perfected by doing His righteousness in our lives and not by physical ordinance keeping !!!

I do not seek to be perfected! I am perfected in Christ. Nothing that I can do can make me more perfect. My perfection is completed by Christ. Therefore my perfection is by faith in him, not in my works. My doing of righteousness is an outward expression of what has already been accomplished inwardly.



His righteousness contained within His teachings and commands are not the written ordinances of the Law, they are perfect law of liberty in Christ. It is what guides us to salvation through Him !!!

I am not guided into salvation. What this implies to me is that you are advocating a salvation that is earned as we obey the teachings and commands of Christ. My salvation is given by grace. That means I do not deserve it and cannot earn it. My salvation is given by my faith that Christ purchased it for me and he gives it to me even though I don't deserve it. The only requirement on my part is to believe that Christ and his grace toward me is my salvation. I must rely on him completely as my savior.
Whattaya gonna do with these scriptures, Mr. Perfect? Just throw them away?

2 Corinthians 7:1 (KJV) Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 13:11 (KJV) Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
[HR][/HR]Philippians 3:12 (KJV) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
[HR][/HR]Colossians 1:28 (KJV) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
[HR][/HR]Colossians 4:12 (KJV) Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
[HR][/HR]1 Thessalonians 3:10 (KJV) Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
[HR][/HR]Hebrews 11:40 (KJV) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
[HR][/HR]James 1:4 (KJV) But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
[HR][/HR]James 2:22 (KJV) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:2 (KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. [HR][/HR]Ephesians 4:11-16 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [SUP]12[/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [SUP]14 [/SUP]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [SUP]15 [/SUP]But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: [SUP]16 [/SUP]From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.



Philippians 3:11-14 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

And for you "educated" people who put your "likes" on this post..... don't you ever read your Bibles?
 
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Spoken by a true psychological projector..... lol. So, what side are you on again?
Nice try, well, not really. I'm on Christs side, the side of truth, you?