Oh boy mac, I didn't expect you to write a second novel of Tolstoy's "War and Peace?"
What I think I will do is focus on your last paragraph.
The particular fellowship I am a part of does not care about either proving or disproving the trinity. We just do not find it scripturally important to come down on a side. As long as we hold Yahshuas Deity sacred there are more important things to study. Believing trinity or individual deity makes absolutely no difference to our walk. Believing His deity does. Just another argument that does not change anything. No one even cared for 400 years. Then they cared for a short time and didn't care again. It is like people coming to blows over wether a cup is aquamarine or turquoise...it is a blue cup. Move on."
Tell me, what more important issue is there than the Deity of Jesus Christ? Secondly, can you elaborate on what you mean by "individualy deity?" Or let me put it another way so I understand your words. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is God and of course God the Father is God and yet there is only one God? This only requires a yes or no answser. I also take note that in all of your post I don't recall you quoting any Scripture, why?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Good morning Bluto.
I have a busy sort of a day ahead of me so if I don't get back to you right away it doesn't mean i don't love you. That being said...
You said "Oh boy mac, I didn't expect you to write a second novel of Tolstoy's "War and Peace?"*"
Just answering your comments mate. Of course I am long winded I freely admit.
You continue:"What I think I will do is focus on your last paragraph."
Probably wise. The rest cannot be argued as it is simple history.
You go on. Quoting me first. "The particular fellowship I am a part of does not care about either proving or disproving the trinity. We just do not find it scripturally important to come down on a side. As long as we hold Yahshuas Deity sacred there are more important things to study. Believing trinity or individual deity makes absolutely no difference to our walk. Believing His deity does. Just another argument that does not change anything. No one even cared for 400 years. Then they cared for a short time and didn't care again. It is like people coming to blows over wether a cup is aquamarine or turquoise...it is a blue cup. Move on."
That ends my quote. Back to your words.:
"Tell me, what more important issue is there than the Deity of Jesus Christ?"
I never have argued against the deity of Yahshua. In fact I have mentioned that I believe and celebrate it. So what are you trying to say? That if I do not join you in your particular belief on how His Deity looks that I deny his Deity? You are on shaky ground here brother... Especially since you haven't a clue on what I believe on the matter.
You continue."Secondly, can you elaborate on what you mean by "individualy deity?"
Certainly. Individual Deity is the belief that Messiah was and is a separate being from YHWH. The same way my son is Human and shares my Genetics yet is a separate Entity. We can even be "of one mind" on a matter and still be separate. Some versions of this theory say the Holy Spirit is a Separate Entity as well. Others postulate the Spirit to be a force that flows between them.
Remember I am defining not giving you my belief.
You go on."Or let me put it another way so I understand your words. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is God and of course God the Father is God and yet there is only one God? This only requires a yes or no answser."
Actually this only requires a yes or no answer if I were weak willed enough to let you bully me into taking a position on something I have repeatedly stated I wouldn't. Not really likely at this point. Especially just to let you have a debate.
I will answer in this way.... i believe all Scripture is true. I do not deny the Deity of the Master. I have answered you.
You continue:"I also take note that in all of your post I don't recall you quoting any Scripture, why?*"
We were discussing the history of the RCChuch. Scripture was not required to answer your posturing or your postulations.
Perhaps you are right though. as Solomon said In:
Proverbs 9:8**Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
*9**Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
So thank you for your reproof. Here is some e Scripture for you to ruminate on.
Matthew 7:1**Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2**For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3**And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
*4**Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam*is*in thine own eye?
*5**Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
James 4:*11**Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
*12**There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Romans 2:1**Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2**But we are sure that the judgment of*יהוה*is according to truth against them which commit such things.
*3**And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of*יהוה?
Romans 14:1**Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
*2**For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
*3**Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for*יהוהhath received him.
*4**Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for*יהוה*is able to make him stand.
*5**One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
*6**He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto*יהוה; and he that regardeth not the day, to*יהוה*he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to*יהוה, for he giveth*יהוה*thanks; and he that eateth not, to*יהוה*he eateth not, and giveth*יהוה*thanks.
*7**For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
*8**For whether we live, we live unto*יהוה; and whether we die, we die unto*יהוה: whether we live therefore, or die, we are*יהוה's.
*9**For to this end the Messiah both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Sovereign both of the dead and living.
*10**But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of the Messiah.
11**For it is written, As I live, saith*יהוה, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to*יהוה.
12**So then every one of us shall give account of himself to*יהוה.
*13**Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
So adding in teachings that the bible does not call for. Stumbling blocks. Demanding that people take a stand on them. And then judging them for it?
Hmm.
A couple more scriptures.
Deuteronomy 4:2**Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of*יהוה*your Elohim which I command you.
Proverbs 30:*5**Every word of Our Father is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6**Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Mark 7:13**Making the word of*יהוה*of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (To the Pharisees who taught tradition as law)
Thank you for your discourse Brother and may Messiah Yahshua guide your path and heart.
