Keep His Commandments

Eccl12and13 · Dec 10, 2012

Please read the following post to find that Paul speaks of TWO laws throughout his writings;

This is the Law that God Added to His Other Laws. Part 1

This is the Law that God Added to His Other Laws. Part 2

You will find that my statements are true AND they are proved with scriptures.

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Eccl12and13 · Dec 10, 2012

haz said:

Readers.....let's use some common sense for just a moment.

We know for a fact that God is coming to return to punish those that did not keep His commandments. In other words he is coming to punish sinners.

So at some point God will reach a limit that ONLY He knows. When He returns He will deliver His wrath upon all that HE deems unworthy. He will NOT forgive forever!

Now....do we know at what number sin it will be for each and every individual that will be punished when He returns? For some He may return after their 10th sin and He knows they are not going to repent. For others it may be after their 110th sin and He knows they are not going to repent.

The point is this.....just as God had a limit when He decided not to give the nation of Israel any more chances and delivered them over to be captives....the same will happen when He returns.

We do not know at what point God says enough is enough. Let's read scriptures....

2 Thes.2
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now at some point God will ALLOW those that refuse to accept the truth to believe a lie.

Now....do we know just when that point is?

NO! We have no idea. Because if those that refused to believe God's word knew just when it will be that God will allow them to believe a lie they would believe BEFORE that time.

Common sense!

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Eccl12and13 · Dec 10, 2012

lioncub said:

That sounds just like keeping those old OT laws that God gave man.

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Eccl12and13 · Dec 10, 2012

haz said:

Now let's read WHAT law was the schoolmaster;

Gal.3
[1] O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
[2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Readers....in verse 2 above....what laws of God required works/deeds? Was it do not lie, steal or kill? No. The laws that required works/deeds were the laws of the Levites. And their work under the law was to kill animals....FLESH. And what does Paul ask in the next verse?

[3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Can the killing of animals...FLESH make them again perfect? Paul is speaking ONLY about the law of the Levites, that being their job of sacrifice. Let's continue....

[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now...what law of God was added because God's others laws kept being broken? The law of the Levites and their work/deeds of animal sacrifice.

[23] But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Now before faith came, which was Christ, they were kept under, or saved by the sacrificing of animals. And what happened when faith (Jesus Christ) came and shed His blood? Let's read...

[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

When Jesus shed His blood there was no need for the laws of the Levites. The laws of killing animals was no longer needed, for the ultimate sacrifice had been given. We are no longer under the schoolmaster of the law of the Levites. THAT"S the law that was added! THAT'S the law that was to keep them in faith until Jesus came! THAT'S the law that was the schoolmaster! And THAT'S the law that was nailed to His cross!

Common sense!

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tek · Dec 10, 2012

Eccl12and13 said:

don't use common sense but use Christ sense (or wisdom)

1 Cor 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption

Love is the fulfilment of the whole law

Romans 13 : 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

How does a person get love into his heart? By Holy Spirit

Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us

so those who have Holy Spirit in their hearts have have love in their hearts and have therefore fulfilled the whole Law and are not under any Law or any Sabbath once and forever

Eccl12and13 · Dec 10, 2012

tek said:

Really?

What about the law of FAITH?

Are we not commanded by God to have faith?

Are we not commanded by God to love Him with all of our heart?

And are we not commanded to show that love by keeping God'a laws.....let's read it....

John 14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So...just which laws are we no longer under?

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tek · Dec 10, 2012

let's do it again

Romans 13 : 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

If you have love in your heart you fullfiled the whole LAW and all Commandments. Can you see it?

How does a person get that kind of love into his or her heart?

By Holy Spirit only. Here is the verse

Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us

so those who have Holy Spirit in their hearts have therefore fulfilled the whole Law and commandments and are not under any Law or any Sabbath once and forever

Do you actually understand what it mean to be "born again"?

hermanodaniel · Dec 10, 2012

Eccl12and13 said:

Take John 14 into context with John 13:34-35 because Jesus Christ is talking about the Law of Christ.

Read carefully John 15:9-10

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in MY love; even as I have kept MY FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS, and abide in his love.

(Notice how Jesus abode in His Father's love keeping the commandments in the letter to the "T" meaning every single law, which is something we cannot do because of our flesh (sinful nature) and the fact we have been sold into sin. Jesus had no sin or knew no sin but became sin for us redeeming us from the body of death regenerating our spirits thus becoming born again or born of God. We were created after God in righteousness true holiness in the spirit. (Ephesians 4:23) We obey from the heart Romans 6:17 and NOT after the letter Romans 7:6. Apart from faith, the letter produces dead works and ONLY partial obedience which is disobedience there are no gray spots you either obeyed fully or you failed to obey, hence why the letter kills because we can never obey fully to the "T". This is why the Law in the form of the letter is not of faith. Galatians 3:12. It seems that may law abiding sects advocating obedience according to the letter stumble over this simple truth. The Law in the form of the letter exposes what sin is and condemns sins BUT it does not serve as a restraint to sin since it's not of faith. The results are dead works, since the letter is not of faith. Those in the OT like Abraham, Jacob (Israel), David, Samuel etc. were all justified by faith and not by keeping the letter.

I've had this discussion with you sometime ago and you continue point to two distinct laws when that's not the case. The Law of God exists in the form of the letter (the 10 commandments written on stone) pertaining to our flesh in exposing sin and condemning it and the Law of Christ (Law of spirit and life) which requires the crucifying the flesh and following Jesus becoming his disciple. Cf. Luke 9:23 and Luke 14:26 with John 13:34-35

Now that we do not serve after the letter but in the spirit we see that the Law of God is fulfilled by the following two mentioned in the OP (John 6:28-29 and John 13:34-35) which reflects the 2 greatest commandment:
JOHN 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 13:34-35

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 John 3:22-23

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (Notice how this reflects John 6:29 and John 13:34)

Now compare with these verses, if we truly love the Lord with all our hearts, souls and minds we will NOT or should NOT give him dead works produced by our flesh that is subject to the letter since we cannot obey it to the "T" and it is not of faith. However, God commands us to believe in His Son and abide in His love because Jesus abode in His Father's love perfectly obeying unto death. That covers the first great commandment the second great commandment is to love thy neighbour as thyself and that is fulfilled in the Law of Christ where Jesus states Love others AS I HAVE LOVED YOU which was to the death! This requires that we crucify our flesh daily to love after He loves which is spirit!

Matthew 22:35-40

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Observe these verses from Hebrews 5:8-10 signifying how we are to Obey Christ which abode in His Father's love perfectly!

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey HIM;

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

NOW Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:23

PatientSpirit · Dec 10, 2012

Eccl12and13 said:

Let's read some of what the OP would have some of those that read this thread to believe;

Readers.....Now let's read what Jesus and those that believed in His word really told us.

First let's read what the Judge of all of mankind said is needed for eternal life;

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Does not sound like Jesus forgot to mention that we are yet to keep His laws that He gave in the OT. Let's read more....

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal.5
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Does not sound as though Paul forgot to tell us that keeping God's laws are needed for eternal life. And more.....

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

WOW!! Over and over those OT laws keep coming up in the NT as laws that must be kept for entrance into God's kingdom.

Readers..... if you Love God as you say you will not steal, lie, covet, kill or do any of those other laws that He has given us.

And if you love your neighbors as you say you will not do any of those commandments that God said we are not to do against them.

What John did was just to condense ALL of God's laws into TWO; If you love God you will keep His commandments. If you love your neighbor you will keep His commandments.

The scriptures ARE very clear and they DO tell us what the commandments of God are.

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I've read in your profile that you are married. I have to ask, do you see your relationship with your wife as "thou shalt not" or is this fulfilled with NO utterance of rules in stone by Love?

hermanodaniel · Dec 10, 2012

I made a typo in quoting Matthew 22:35 above which is actually John 13:35 I meant to quote Matthew 22:36-40 I apologize but here are two more references that further states the truth of the Law of Christ. Peter clearly states how obeying this truth we are purified. "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1:22-23) Paul says "And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." (Ephesians 5:2)

haz · Dec 10, 2012

loveme1 said:

Hi loveme1,

Note you reference to reading "line upon line". This is from Isa 28:10.
But note also Isa 28:13
But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

This is a very different idea from what you were determining the context to be.

And note Isa 29:10-13
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

This is speaking of those in Isa 28:10-13

By the way, what level of obedience is required to qualify as doing and teaching the 10 commandments?
Are you doing that level of obedience/works of the 10 commandments?

weakness · Dec 10, 2012

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haz · Dec 10, 2012

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

I don't know where you get this idea from that if breaking the law then you're under it and if you're not breaking the law then you're not under it. Any scriptures to support this doctrine you follow?

Rpm 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Does the law apply to Christians?
1Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man (Christians), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,....

So can a Christian be charged with sin/transgression of the law they are not even under?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Rom 4:15
where no law is, there is no transgression (sin).

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

True, Christians "cannot sin" (1John 3:9). We have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1). In Christ we are blameless. We have been sancified by his one offering, Heb 10:10. This is the state that thief on the cross was in after believing on Jesus. Likewise for all who believe in Jesus.

It's not based on whether we are obedient to the 10 commandments in our physical bahavior. Instead it's Christ in us that makes us holy, righteous, perfect and cannot sin.

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

James 2:10 explains what level of obedience is required to be a doer of the law.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Are you such a doer of the law in your physical behavior?

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

To "sin" means you are under the law still. Those who build up the law in their lives (as some here do preaching the law) they are making themselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18.
They refuse to submit to the righteousness of God, Rom 10:3.
They cannot see that Christ cleansed them and will only accept that they are cleansed by their own works/obedience to the law. This is self-righteousness (aka "filthy-rags").

Those here preaching obedience/works of the law need to consider 2 Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

They preach a complicated gospel based on some ambiguous level of obedience/works of the law as a requirement/proof of righteousness. When asked for scripture to determine what level of obedience is required, they have none to support them.

haz · Dec 10, 2012

weakness said:

Now lets read what Jesus really told us.One came unto him and said "Good master, what good thing shall I do , that I may have eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest though me good? there is none good but one, that is, God; (the one standing in front of you) but if though will enter into life, keep the commandments. Now why would Jesus say this knowing that Rom.3:20 says" therefor by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified?( Because he already knew he was leavened with hypocracy). He said unto him which? Jesus said Thouugh shalt not...................and though shall love thy neighbor as thyself.The young man sayeth all these have I kept from my youth up. what lack I yet?( hypocracy again raising its head again , for this is not possible or righteousness would be able to come through the law,which it is not. Jesus said unto him,if though will be perfect, go and sell all that though hast, and give to the poor, and though shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard this he went away sorrowful. Now why did you leave verses 20,21,and 22 ??? Only two scriptures mention the law, and that to prove and shew the hypocracy of the man to himself, But 10, yes 10 scriptures talking about selling all and following Jesus, even the conversation continues even to his disciples ,(must have been important.) why did you leave the real meat of this conversation out????Perhaps you fell guilty about something? Please ecc1 go and sell what you have and follow Jesus ,then I will at least listen to your constantly reiterated twisting of the scripture.I think the commandment you should take heed to is the warning about wrestling the scripture to your own destruction. the Lord bless and keep you.The scripture does not contradict itself so maybe try and look at grace and works and how God intends them to work together in doctrine and in practice. [

Hi weakness,

Good point about that young man who asked Jesus about eternal life.

And note Jesus said "If thou will be perfect....come follow me"

To follow Jesus is to believe in him. These are our works, John 6:29.
And his one offering makes us perfect, Heb 10:14.

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST · Dec 11, 2012

haz said:

yes brother here are some verses and you yourself agreed down the page ..''To "sin" means you are under the law still''.

1 john 3:4 whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law for sin is trangression of the law.
Fullfilling the lust of the flesh is breaking the law.

galations 5:18 But IF ye be led of the spirit YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW

What is the result of someone not under the law will they sin??

galations 5:16 this i say then walk in the spirit and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

If someone is breaking the law they are not being led by the spirit.

Do you see this brother??..

Again brother it is only by faith brother but i think our definition of someone being saved or not under the law may be different.

Question if i may.. Do you think a person born again can have sin manifest in their life or as you said in their physically behavior?

A person does have to mortify there members.Again it is the doers of the word that are justified. He has given us his nature to overcome the world. The result of coversion in someone is that they are a good tree. They cannot bear evil fruit.

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST · Dec 11, 2012

Haz..

The lord instructs us to keep the commandments but the secret of the mystery of Godliness is he does it for the man. How ??? By Faith. repenting and believin the gospel ..Can a person love their neighbor with perfect love and lie to them? It does not mix. Their is no darkness in God and for us to walk in the light as he is in the light we must come to the place where there is no darkness in us. No man can do this on his own ...He receives the divine nature as a gift by faith.

the lord wants to strengthen us in the inner man where we are no longer tossed around by the devil. The word instructs us to just believe Jesus and not just any kind of way but STEAFAST.

An example ... The shield of faith which quenches ALLl the firey darts of the enemy . If a person sinns.. Did the a dart get past the shield?? noo of course not. If a person truly believes Jesus , then that means he believes the word... If a person believes that verse THEY WILL NEVER FALL.If a person falls it is because the word was not being kept in the heart. Because they were believing a lie. Not the truth. For us to believe the truth all the sin as to go. Jesus has done everything already , we receive him by faith. Does a person still think he still has sin in his heart or does he believe Jesus took his sin??? A person is free from sin when he believes what Jesus did. God is able brother and it is his will. sanctification is unto salvation.

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST · Dec 11, 2012

Forgot to say when sin happens its not that the shield does not work , its that they did not have it on.

haz · Dec 11, 2012

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

I have a question for you.
After you received Christ have you been perfectly keeping the 10 commandments every day ever since? Are you a "doer of the law" perfectly obedient and never once, since receiving Christ, failing to keep the 10 commandments?

My understanding differs from yours. If someone is under the law then they are not being led by the Spirit. They follow the lust of the flesh, seeking to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to God's righteousness. They are adulterers/fornicators/unclean/lascivious/idolaters/heretics/etc. This is all speaking in spiritual terms as this is how scripture is discerned, 1Cor 2:14

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST said:

We differ in understanding and whether Christians can be charged with "sin". I see Christians as being just as holy and righteous as the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord". And this is without any obedience/works of the law. It's not judged on physical behavior, as the thief on the cross showed.

So why do you add to the gospel of grace and judge a Christian's righteousness by physical behavior?

Is not our righteousness by faith instead? (Rom 4:5)

As for our fruit, consider 1Cor 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

It is Christ in Christians, the firstfruit, that makes us holy, Rom 11:16

James 1:22-25
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Those preaching obedience/works of the law, determining righteousness by it, are not doers of the word.

They receive Christ as savior but then being a forgetful hearer they forget what manner of man they were (a new creation in Christ, cleansed, holy and righteous in him). They then go back under the law (thus making themselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18) preaching that obedience/works of the law is required or else we are not cleansed, righteous and holy.

Those preaching obedience/works of the law (10 commandments) is required for salvation are really rejecting the finished work of the cross. They are refusing to submit to the righteousness of God. They are in unbelief.

A question for you. If our body is dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10), then why do you judge one's salvation/righteousness by it's behavior?

And don't forget my question about if you have perfectly obeyed the law everyday since you received Christ.

CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST · Dec 11, 2012

Brother Do you still disagree with the law question?? Again if we under the law we are sinning, and we are no longer under the law IF we are led by the spirit and will not sin. I see where you said you believe different but I see you writing the same thing as me please correct me if im wrong. Please look again what i had written and tell me if you disagree..

This is what you said
''So why do you add to the gospel of grace and judge a Christian's righteousness by physical behavior?''

What have i added to the gospel of grace? I did mention a person has to moritify there members, they must be holy. This goes in direct correspondence with what grace teaches..

Titus 2:11-12

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

The reason one can judge a christians righteousness as you said is because Jesus said ye shall know them by their fruits

Matthew 7:16

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Brother the lord will judge every one according to their deeds .

I hope you dont believe a person can commit sin and it not be charged to him.

mattew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

ALL THIS IS BY FAITH BROTHER HAZ BUT THE LORD WANTS A MAN TO KNOW IF HE HAS MADE IT.To answer your question about ''If our body is dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10, then why do you judge one's salvation/righteousness by it's behavior?''

listen to this verse

corinthians13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If a person thinks he is in the faith and he sins . Did this person know God?
1 john3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
That goes for me and any body God is not a respecter of persons. Brother he is able to keep a person from sinning forever.

If someone is dead they are free from sin. brother haz a person cant commit sin and be dead to sin. Someone that is dead sin will not manifest .
all of this sounds like a perfect man and the only way this can be done is by Faith in Christ Jesus.Not a man trying.

haz · Dec 11, 2012

Hi CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST

Christians cannot sin, as 1John 3:6-9 confirms. But we differ in understanding this.

You see this as perfect obedience to the law/commandments in this our physical life. To fail, in this physical life, to perfectly obey the law/commandments is "sin", resulting in such people being lost. This is the doctrine you follow.
And when I ask you if you have perfectly kept the commandments since the day you received Christ you do not answer.

But, what I am saying is that in Christ our position is one of being holy, righteous and without sin. It's not determined by our physical behavior.

Under the doctrine you follow "works" is keeping the law/commandments perfectly in this physical life.

But for a Christian, "works" is believing in Jesus, John 6:29

Under the doctrine you follow "fruit" is keeping the law/commandments perfectly in this physical life.

But for a Christian our fruit is Christ in us, the firstfruits (1Cor 15:20) that makes us holy (Rom 11:16)

The thief on the cross did not have that perfect obedience to the law/commandments that you demand we have in this physical life.
The thief on the cross contradicts the gospel you follow.

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