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Obedience comes as we grow in Relationship with The Father by The Son, through His Spirit. And as this takes place within us, we become partakers of His Divine Nature which is first and foremost Love.
Allowing the Holy Spirit to change us in this way, is "The Way", any thing else is Dead Works, for we have no Righteousness of our own.
The Son reveals The Father, and The Father reveals The Son, and to know Him, is Life Eternal.
It's all about Relationship, and out of that Relationship we are changed from faith to faith and from Glory to Glory.
Allowing the Holy Spirit to change us in this way, is "The Way", any thing else is Dead Works, for we have no Righteousness of our own.
The Son reveals The Father, and The Father reveals The Son, and to know Him, is Life Eternal.
It's all about Relationship, and out of that Relationship we are changed from faith to faith and from Glory to Glory.
The levitical priesthood is not talking about only animal sacrifice here. It is talking about the law received under it also, the 10 commandments written on stone.
If men working at keeping the 10 commandments was all that was required to be perfect before God then nothing would have to change. But no one is righteous before God in order to give Him a perfect sacrifice whereby they could be perfectly atoned for before God.
That means that not only were the people who were trying to keep the law failing but also the high priest that was supposed to be standing in the gap for them was not perfect before God either.
The whole idea behind what the Jews were doing needed to be re-vamped. It was not because God's Laws written on stone, the 10, were not perfect because they are perfect. But that is a problem for us. How can an imperfect man with an imperfect priest giving an imperfect sacrifice be perfect before God?? He can't.
Therefore, the way of the Jews, not being perfect, but being a shadow of the perfect, it all had to change.
Now the Lord has provided His own perfect Sacrifice, His own Perfect High Priest and when we have faith in Him we are made Perfect before God.
Not by keeping the law as the Jews did but by having faith in the atonement and work of our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ.
If men working at keeping the 10 commandments was all that was required to be perfect before God then nothing would have to change. But no one is righteous before God in order to give Him a perfect sacrifice whereby they could be perfectly atoned for before God.
That means that not only were the people who were trying to keep the law failing but also the high priest that was supposed to be standing in the gap for them was not perfect before God either.
The whole idea behind what the Jews were doing needed to be re-vamped. It was not because God's Laws written on stone, the 10, were not perfect because they are perfect. But that is a problem for us. How can an imperfect man with an imperfect priest giving an imperfect sacrifice be perfect before God?? He can't.
Therefore, the way of the Jews, not being perfect, but being a shadow of the perfect, it all had to change.
Now the Lord has provided His own perfect Sacrifice, His own Perfect High Priest and when we have faith in Him we are made Perfect before God.
Not by keeping the law as the Jews did but by having faith in the atonement and work of our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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The 10 commandments were given BEFORE there was even a nation of Israel.
What was the law that was changed in the following scripture?
Heb.7
[11] If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[12] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Is Paul talking about ALL of the 10 commandments above...or just ONE law?
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Amen.
Sadly, those who preach obedience/works of the law/commandments as required for righteousness/salvation, are in truth rejecting what Christ did for us. They are really saying they have not been cleansed by the blood of Christ. They believe they are still unclean and require works of the law to do it properly.
Thus, being under the law they make themselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18. They frustrate the grace of God, Gal 2:21.
If they continue being under the law (willfully sinning, because under the law you make yourself a transgressor/sinner) after having the knowledge of the truth (gospel of grace) there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Heb 10:26
They have "trodden underfoot the Son of God, and have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith they were sanctified, a unholy thing..." Heb 10:29
Sadly, those who preach obedience/works of the law/commandments as required for righteousness/salvation, are in truth rejecting what Christ did for us. They are really saying they have not been cleansed by the blood of Christ. They believe they are still unclean and require works of the law to do it properly.
Thus, being under the law they make themselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18. They frustrate the grace of God, Gal 2:21.
If they continue being under the law (willfully sinning, because under the law you make yourself a transgressor/sinner) after having the knowledge of the truth (gospel of grace) there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Heb 10:26
They have "trodden underfoot the Son of God, and have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith they were sanctified, a unholy thing..." Heb 10:29
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You speak of obedience to the law/commandments.
Now we all know that Jesus warned us to avoid the leaven/doctrine of works/obedience to the law for righteousness, Matt 16:6-12.
Gal 5:9 confirms Jesus' warning about righteousness by works of the law.
A little leaven (doctrine of works/obedience to the law) leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 2:16 also confirms how the doctrine of works/obedience does not justify us.
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
So with the above in mind, do you believe obedience to the law confirms/proves our righteousness/salvation?
You speak of obedience out of love/gratitude. But since you received Christ have you perfectly obeyed the law ever since?
Now we all know that Jesus warned us to avoid the leaven/doctrine of works/obedience to the law for righteousness, Matt 16:6-12.
Gal 5:9 confirms Jesus' warning about righteousness by works of the law.
A little leaven (doctrine of works/obedience to the law) leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 2:16 also confirms how the doctrine of works/obedience does not justify us.
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
So with the above in mind, do you believe obedience to the law confirms/proves our righteousness/salvation?
You speak of obedience out of love/gratitude. But since you received Christ have you perfectly obeyed the law ever since?
My friend when you receive the Holy Spirit you will not ask these questions for it witnesses itself to you of the work of the flesh and the obedience of the Spirit.
You will trust in the Spirit and let it guide and comfort you.
When you receive the Holy Spirit you will not concern yourself with perfection of those who worship Yahvah God in Spirit and Truth.
You will not believe that the Messiah would tell us to Keep and Teach the Commandments only to later warn us against it, it would go against what he said and that is not possible, the only thing that goes against what he said is your understanding.
If you had made your foundation upon his words you would know what he warned of and that was explained prior to Matthew 16 in Matthew 15:
You will trust in the Spirit and let it guide and comfort you.
When you receive the Holy Spirit you will not concern yourself with perfection of those who worship Yahvah God in Spirit and Truth.
You will not believe that the Messiah would tell us to Keep and Teach the Commandments only to later warn us against it, it would go against what he said and that is not possible, the only thing that goes against what he said is your understanding.
If you had made your foundation upon his words you would know what he warned of and that was explained prior to Matthew 16 in Matthew 15:
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The gospel you follow is that of righteousness by works of the law. And a little leaven (doctrine of righteousness by works of the law) leavens the whole lump. If you believed in Jesus you would heed his warning against this leaven.
My question regarding whether your obedience to the law is perfect was to reveal the error of your doctrine, which condemns anyone who does not attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law, as lost. Your reluctance to answer my questions shows that you do not have perfect obedience to the law yourself, even though you preach that obedience is required for salvation.
The claim of obedience to the law due to love/gratitude, and the demand that questions should not be asked about another's obedience is obviously words to lure others under the leaven/doctrine Jesus warned us against. This false gospel corrupts peoples minds from the simplicity that is in Christ, 2Cor 11:3
The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" is God's example to mankind how salvation is by grace alone, without any works of the law. You have seen many scriptures confirming it's grace alone without works of the law.
The doctrine you follow rejects this and yet offers no details about what level of obedience to the law is required for salvation. No doubt you believe you are saved with your level of imperfect obedience since you received Christ. But how do you know whether this disobedience of yours, against the law, is not too much resulting in being lost?
My question regarding whether your obedience to the law is perfect was to reveal the error of your doctrine, which condemns anyone who does not attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law, as lost. Your reluctance to answer my questions shows that you do not have perfect obedience to the law yourself, even though you preach that obedience is required for salvation.
The claim of obedience to the law due to love/gratitude, and the demand that questions should not be asked about another's obedience is obviously words to lure others under the leaven/doctrine Jesus warned us against. This false gospel corrupts peoples minds from the simplicity that is in Christ, 2Cor 11:3
The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" is God's example to mankind how salvation is by grace alone, without any works of the law. You have seen many scriptures confirming it's grace alone without works of the law.
The doctrine you follow rejects this and yet offers no details about what level of obedience to the law is required for salvation. No doubt you believe you are saved with your level of imperfect obedience since you received Christ. But how do you know whether this disobedience of yours, against the law, is not too much resulting in being lost?
i adhere to the word of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah and for this you accuse me of partaking in a false gospel ?
You said:
"No doubt you believe you are saved with your level of imperfect obedience since you received Christ"
Do you see not you answer the question yourself?
My level of obedience is not what saves me, it is my heart in action for Love is a doing word.
Hebrews 10
You said:
"No doubt you believe you are saved with your level of imperfect obedience since you received Christ"
Do you see not you answer the question yourself?
My level of obedience is not what saves me, it is my heart in action for Love is a doing word.
Hebrews 10
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The legalists argument that obedience/works of the law does not save yet obedience/works of the law is required as proof one is saved, is not supported in scripture. The thief on the cross is God's example confirming this.
To offend in one point of the law makes you guilty of all the law, James 2:10. This is the perfect obedience/works the law requires. You have not attained this yourself yet you preach that others must obey the law as proof they are saved.
Our works are to believe in Jesus, John 6:29. Do you believe that you are cleansed by the blood of Christ, without works/obedience to the law? If so then how can any level of obedience or lack thereof of works of the law add, confirm or take away from Christ's perfect work?
Any doctrine that mixes obedience/works of the law to the gospel of grace is a lukewarm one that God rejects. Such works is denying Christ.
To offend in one point of the law makes you guilty of all the law, James 2:10. This is the perfect obedience/works the law requires. You have not attained this yourself yet you preach that others must obey the law as proof they are saved.
Our works are to believe in Jesus, John 6:29. Do you believe that you are cleansed by the blood of Christ, without works/obedience to the law? If so then how can any level of obedience or lack thereof of works of the law add, confirm or take away from Christ's perfect work?
Any doctrine that mixes obedience/works of the law to the gospel of grace is a lukewarm one that God rejects. Such works is denying Christ.
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You use a line from:
James 2
One considers the Royal law spoken by the King himself is :
James is not saying do not keep any Commandments for if you Trespass one you Trespass them all so it is better not to attempt any....No!
He says you are not Keeping the Law by showing favour to a rich man while sending the poor man off with words.
He says did you really love him by sending him away without anything?
Did you show compassion to him?
Love is a doing word and if someone is hungry you feed them, if someone is naked you clothe them.
We all have witnessed someone being friendly to those who have riches while turning their back on the man in rags.
It is the way of the world, let us not be like they who seek approval of men but let our Heavenly Father be Glorified when we show no respect to these things.
That is what he writes to us.
James 2
One considers the Royal law spoken by the King himself is :
James is not saying do not keep any Commandments for if you Trespass one you Trespass them all so it is better not to attempt any....No!
He says you are not Keeping the Law by showing favour to a rich man while sending the poor man off with words.
He says did you really love him by sending him away without anything?
Did you show compassion to him?
Love is a doing word and if someone is hungry you feed them, if someone is naked you clothe them.
We all have witnessed someone being friendly to those who have riches while turning their back on the man in rags.
It is the way of the world, let us not be like they who seek approval of men but let our Heavenly Father be Glorified when we show no respect to these things.
That is what he writes to us.
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Believing in Jesus = Yielding to and walking after the Spirit.
Yielding to and walking after the Spirit is done by faith. A genuine faith works by love because in yielding to the source of all righteousness the love of God flows through the willing vessel.
Thus an individual who is walking with God fulfills the righteousness of the law from their heart.
The reason righteousness does not come by the law is simply because the law is a set of outward rules and a person can yield to outward rules from any sort of motivation apart from having a pure heart. Thus true righteousness can never come by the law.
Many false teachers will twist "righteousness does not come by the law" and speak against obedience to Jesus Christ. Obedience to Jesus Christ is mandatory because it is in yielding to Jesus Christ or yielding to the implanted word within that the outward fruit of righteousness is manifested, the root of which is in a heart made pure by the grace of God.
Grace is not some stuff which one trusts in without doing anything, which then makes them magically saved. Grace is something that must be appropriated through an active faith for it to work. It is in the submission to God that effectual saving of the soul is wrought in a Christian.
Thus we are saved by the power of God through yielding to His leading, or in other words, we are saved by grace through faith and not of the works of obeying a list of 'do this" and 'do not do this.'
Those who truly walk after the Spirit are not under the law simply because they are yielding to the Spirit, the greater law of love from which the outward manifestation of the law flows. Thus any person who is WALKING in the light does not need a rule telling them not to kill, steal, lie or cheat. They won't do those things because they are walking in the Spirit of life of Jesus Christ and they love their neighbour as themselves.
God authors the salvation of the soul when that soul yields to God.
If there is no yielding there is no salvation.
It is through repentance that the will is broken and the desire to yield is produced. It is through repentance than the rebellion to God is purged from the soul that one may then yield to the light that lighteth every man than enters the world.
There are two major errors taught today.
1. Those who view salvation as a package system. Under this error grace is viewed as a free gift in a provisional sense and salvation is obtained by simply trusting in what Jesus did and doing nothing. ie. Faith = Passive Trust. The people who preach this decry any call to obey God for they view the preaching of obedience as "works based salvation" for they do not understand the working dynamic of an active faith which yields completely to the gracious influence of God. Thus they view any kind of action as following salvation and often when pressed on the point will reveal they view the forsaking of 'the refusal to yield to God' (rebellion) as something which cannot take place until after salvation takes place.
2. The legalists who do preach obedience but do not understand that obedience to God is not in yielding to a set of outward rules like the 10 commandments or the Torah. These people will never speak of heart purity or how it is through a faith which works by love that the law is fulfilled. These people do not understand that the law is an outward manifestation of love or an outward manifestation of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. What these people do is they put the effect (the law) as greater than the source (the Spirit) and preach that one must yield to the effect and negate teaching on the source. Many in the Hebrew Roots movement are under the sway of this error and just like those who preach that package system they do not teach that cessation of the unyielding of the will to God occurs in a broken repentance.
In the book of Acts the apostles preached REPENTANCE and FAITH. They did not preach OBEY THE LAW. The apostles understood that the fulfillment of the righteous requirements of the law flows naturally through repentance and faith which is they they preached REPENTANCE PROVEN BY DEEDS.
If an individual truly repents and forsakes their rebellion then they will be yielding to God an their deeds will be an evidence of this taking place. Hence repentance is PROVEN by deeds.
Unless the axe is laid to the root in repentance and the grain of wheat fall to the ground and die once and for all the is impossible for a tree to bear good fruit. The old man must die once and for all before God will raise an individual to newness of life and indwell them with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not indwell a filthy rebellious vessel.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Yielding to and walking after the Spirit is done by faith. A genuine faith works by love because in yielding to the source of all righteousness the love of God flows through the willing vessel.
Thus an individual who is walking with God fulfills the righteousness of the law from their heart.
The reason righteousness does not come by the law is simply because the law is a set of outward rules and a person can yield to outward rules from any sort of motivation apart from having a pure heart. Thus true righteousness can never come by the law.
Many false teachers will twist "righteousness does not come by the law" and speak against obedience to Jesus Christ. Obedience to Jesus Christ is mandatory because it is in yielding to Jesus Christ or yielding to the implanted word within that the outward fruit of righteousness is manifested, the root of which is in a heart made pure by the grace of God.
Grace is not some stuff which one trusts in without doing anything, which then makes them magically saved. Grace is something that must be appropriated through an active faith for it to work. It is in the submission to God that effectual saving of the soul is wrought in a Christian.
Thus we are saved by the power of God through yielding to His leading, or in other words, we are saved by grace through faith and not of the works of obeying a list of 'do this" and 'do not do this.'
Those who truly walk after the Spirit are not under the law simply because they are yielding to the Spirit, the greater law of love from which the outward manifestation of the law flows. Thus any person who is WALKING in the light does not need a rule telling them not to kill, steal, lie or cheat. They won't do those things because they are walking in the Spirit of life of Jesus Christ and they love their neighbour as themselves.
God authors the salvation of the soul when that soul yields to God.
If there is no yielding there is no salvation.
It is through repentance that the will is broken and the desire to yield is produced. It is through repentance than the rebellion to God is purged from the soul that one may then yield to the light that lighteth every man than enters the world.
There are two major errors taught today.
1. Those who view salvation as a package system. Under this error grace is viewed as a free gift in a provisional sense and salvation is obtained by simply trusting in what Jesus did and doing nothing. ie. Faith = Passive Trust. The people who preach this decry any call to obey God for they view the preaching of obedience as "works based salvation" for they do not understand the working dynamic of an active faith which yields completely to the gracious influence of God. Thus they view any kind of action as following salvation and often when pressed on the point will reveal they view the forsaking of 'the refusal to yield to God' (rebellion) as something which cannot take place until after salvation takes place.
2. The legalists who do preach obedience but do not understand that obedience to God is not in yielding to a set of outward rules like the 10 commandments or the Torah. These people will never speak of heart purity or how it is through a faith which works by love that the law is fulfilled. These people do not understand that the law is an outward manifestation of love or an outward manifestation of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. What these people do is they put the effect (the law) as greater than the source (the Spirit) and preach that one must yield to the effect and negate teaching on the source. Many in the Hebrew Roots movement are under the sway of this error and just like those who preach that package system they do not teach that cessation of the unyielding of the will to God occurs in a broken repentance.
In the book of Acts the apostles preached REPENTANCE and FAITH. They did not preach OBEY THE LAW. The apostles understood that the fulfillment of the righteous requirements of the law flows naturally through repentance and faith which is they they preached REPENTANCE PROVEN BY DEEDS.
If an individual truly repents and forsakes their rebellion then they will be yielding to God an their deeds will be an evidence of this taking place. Hence repentance is PROVEN by deeds.
Unless the axe is laid to the root in repentance and the grain of wheat fall to the ground and die once and for all the is impossible for a tree to bear good fruit. The old man must die once and for all before God will raise an individual to newness of life and indwell them with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not indwell a filthy rebellious vessel.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
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Ephesians 1
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
i realize this amazing gift of the Spirit is just the beginning for us, loveme1.
but He will continue in us and will deliver us Home.
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
i realize this amazing gift of the Spirit is just the beginning for us, loveme1.
but He will continue in us and will deliver us Home.
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You are correct, love is doing. But you misunderstand the book of James.
Our works are to believe in Jesus, John 6:29. Believing on Jesus for our salvation/righteousness shows our faith, as James 2 speaks of.
But if anyone follows false doctrines that obedience/works of the law is required as proof of salvation, their works of the law shows that they deny Jesus. They do not believe that in Christ they have been cleansed, hence to turn to the law to cleanse (which is self-righteousness).
You said regarding showing our faith by our works:
"Love is a doing word and if someone is hungry you feed them, if someone is naked you clothe them."
But consider that scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. So let's spiritually discern it.
Let's consider in more detail this love using the words of Jesus in Matt 25: 37-40
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
The lost/unsaved are the naked, hungry and thirsty. They do not have God's covering, and they do not have the spiritual food and drink to live by.
And Christians, who by believing in Jesus show by these works their faith, preach the gospel to the unsaved to offer to spiritually clothe them feed them and give them drink.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
So, are we preaching the gospel of grace (feeding, clothing and giving drink to the unsaved) showing by your works of believing in Jesus, your faith or are we preaching that if someone does not attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law they are unclean/lost.
Our works are to believe in Jesus, John 6:29. Believing on Jesus for our salvation/righteousness shows our faith, as James 2 speaks of.
But if anyone follows false doctrines that obedience/works of the law is required as proof of salvation, their works of the law shows that they deny Jesus. They do not believe that in Christ they have been cleansed, hence to turn to the law to cleanse (which is self-righteousness).
You said regarding showing our faith by our works:
"Love is a doing word and if someone is hungry you feed them, if someone is naked you clothe them."
But consider that scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. So let's spiritually discern it.
Let's consider in more detail this love using the words of Jesus in Matt 25: 37-40
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
The lost/unsaved are the naked, hungry and thirsty. They do not have God's covering, and they do not have the spiritual food and drink to live by.
And Christians, who by believing in Jesus show by these works their faith, preach the gospel to the unsaved to offer to spiritually clothe them feed them and give them drink.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
So, are we preaching the gospel of grace (feeding, clothing and giving drink to the unsaved) showing by your works of believing in Jesus, your faith or are we preaching that if someone does not attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law they are unclean/lost.
Faith - Love = unsaved
Faith + Love = Saved
Faith by itself is dead, Works (which reflect our love) by itself is also dead
Faith and Works go hand in hand.
For many more Scriptural references please read Faith, Works, or Both.
Many people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ (Faith) will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, because even though they had faith, they failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, which is to work with their Faith. Believing only is not enough, Yes it is a requirement for one to be Saved, but it is also a requirement for Believers to have Love for one another. for a believer in the Lord who hates another person will perish with the unbelievers. So then believing is not enough. demons believe and they are not saved. Believing in only part of what is required for one to be Truly Saved, many claim to be Saved, but you will know who is Truly Saved by their works, their deeds that they do, the LOVE THEY HAVE FOR OTHERS.
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Faith + Love = Saved
Faith by itself is dead, Works (which reflect our love) by itself is also dead
Faith and Works go hand in hand.
For many more Scriptural references please read Faith, Works, or Both.
Many people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ (Faith) will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, because even though they had faith, they failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, which is to work with their Faith. Believing only is not enough, Yes it is a requirement for one to be Saved, but it is also a requirement for Believers to have Love for one another. for a believer in the Lord who hates another person will perish with the unbelievers. So then believing is not enough. demons believe and they are not saved. Believing in only part of what is required for one to be Truly Saved, many claim to be Saved, but you will know who is Truly Saved by their works, their deeds that they do, the LOVE THEY HAVE FOR OTHERS.
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So, the acts of love we show towards God and others is an indication of a lively faith. An indication of a true faith being lead by the Spirit. Can you explain to us how one knows that his faith is lively? How does one know if they possess that relationship as a mental thought or as reality? That is, as a human being, how do we know that we are in a real relationship with God?