Keep The Commandments

[Wall]

Yes. So how could they lose salvation, as many claim, if they are obeying in faith??

Cant lose what ya aint got. Many claim they have faith and never were under the schoolmaster.

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

The law brings us to faith in Christ. People claim faith having never observing Gods Sabbath and while wearing graven images around there neck. Above scripture says what it says

 

[just-me]

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

Hebrew tradition was that the schoolmaster was a person in their late teens who brought younger children to school, showing them the way. As these children learned their way, they could walk to school without a schoolmaster. After faith comes we are to walk to school every day on our own. With a true believer never stops going to school.

 

[Grandpa]

This does actually fit together. The commandments condemn us because without His grace, we can't keep them. But by His grace, we keep them. In other words, we still keep them by His grace. We don't toss them aside.

Romans 8:2-6
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

If you are still following the 10 commandments then your faith isn't in the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. You are apparently trying to mix the 2. You want to be Righteous by the Lord Jesus Christ and still walk in the 10 commandments.

Galatians 5:1-5
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Does the Lord Jesus not quite make us clean enough or righteous enough that we have to add works of the Law to what He has done? Of course not...

The scripture tells you in quite a few ways and quite a few passages that those who have come to Christ are not under the Law. The Law is for transgressors. Those who reject Grace.

That's a hard one, isn't it?

Don't be too sad. We all have rejected Grace at one time or another. The important thing is to pray to the Lord and stop doing it.

The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. That's interesting, isn't it? Apparently it isn't lawlessness after all... lol

 

[JaumeJ]

Pay very special attention to Yeshua's teachings here especially the very last on the commandments..........


Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teachthem,the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38
This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39
And the secondislike unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mar 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Mar 10:20
And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Mar 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Rev 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,andthe bright and morning star.


　

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have been given freedom of choice so what if a person chooses to not follow God anymore?
Romans 11:22 KJV
(22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Hmm So those who have faith WILL keep commands. But then again, They MAY NOT.

which is it? sounds awfull contradictory to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Cant lose what ya aint got. Many claim they have faith and never were under the schoolmaster.

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

The law brings us to faith in Christ. People claim faith having never observing Gods Sabbath and while wearing graven images around there neck. Above scripture says what it says

lol.. And your point is? Do you keep the law 100 %?

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrew tradition was that the schoolmaster was a person in their late teens who brought younger children to school, showing them the way. As these children learned their way, they could walk to school without a schoolmaster. After faith comes we are to walk to school every day on our own. With a true believer never stops going to school.

The Law brings us to Christ. It teaches us that we need a Saviour. After we realize this FACT we come to Him and ask Him to do in us what we are powerless to do ourselves.

When that happens we are no longer under the schoolmaster, the Law. We follow the Holy Spirit who teaches us. He is a whole different teacher. We are no longer under the rod that beats us but we are under love that teaches us.

That is the difference between the ministry of condemnation and being in Christ in whom there is no condemnation. There is no reason to mix the two. Choose one and be under it. Seems like an easy choice to me but I've been to Christ, my eyes are open.

The schoolmaster demands that you do. The schoolmaster doesn't provide you with anything.

The Lord Jesus Christ is our provision. He provides us with what the schoolmaster demands.

But if we turn from the Lord and try to obey the schoolmaster we don't get the provision. We only get the provision as we fix our eyes firmly on the Lord Jesus.

You know, like Peter when he started to sink. That's us when we go back to the ministry of condemnation written on stones. If we look to the Lord Jesus we are obeying the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

I hope you can see this distinction.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pay very special attention to Yeshua's teachings here especially the very last on the commandments..........


Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teachthem,the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38
This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39
And the secondislike unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mar 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Mar 10:20
And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Mar 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Rev 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,andthe bright and morning star.


　

SO your perfect. and have been since birth??

If you anser is no to either of these two questions. your without hope of being good enough to make it on you rown..

So why are you trying to do it this way?

 

[JaumeJ]

How is it possible to equate my sharing the teachings of the Master with my being perfect? What do you think people are "trying to do" and "what way?" The post including my post by you makes no sense. Perhaps you could be more lucid in your posting. I try to be, though sometimes we all may be off a bit. May God bless you and keep you.

SO your perfect. and have been since birth??

If you anser is no to either of these two questions. your without hope of being good enough to make it on you rown..

So why are you trying to do it this way?

 

[Grandpa]

How is it possible to equate my sharing the teachings of the Master with my being perfect? What do you think people are "trying to do" and "what way?" The post including my post by you makes no sense. Perhaps you could be more lucid in your posting. I try to be, though sometimes we all may be off a bit. May God bless you and keep you.

Well you have presented the problem, you have presented the condemnation but you haven't presented the solution.

EG took this to its logical end and asked you if you are perfect before the Law?

He already knows you aren't but he wants to hear what your solution is. He already knows what the solution is too, he just wants you to say it.

I bring this up because I want you to say it too.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is it possible to equate my sharing the teachings of the Master with my being perfect? What do you think people are "trying to do" and "what way?" The post including my post by you makes no sense. Perhaps you could be more lucid in your posting. I try to be, though sometimes we all may be off a bit. May God bless you and keep you.

If you are going to try to be saved by obeying the commands, and preach salvation is by keeping Gods commands. Or in order to keep salvation you MUST keep Gods commands, (Which I might add I hear alot in here) Then you MUST teach it Gods way.

1. Sinless perfection is the standard of the law. It MUST be adhered to in order to be saved eternally by obeying Gods commands. Anything short would be missing the mark (falling Short) of the letter of the law. And require condemnation.

2. According to Scripture. No man has met this just requirement but one, That would be Christ. For ALL have sinned and fall short (literally in the greek "missed the mark") of the Glory (just requirement or standard) of God.

3. Thus. For those who are preaching we MUST obey God. to be saved, you are teaching that they must do something which according to Scripture WE HAVE ALREADY FAILED.

This is why when people come preaching OBEY OBEY OBEY, I ask. Are you perfect (the just requirement) and why you think you are. when scripture teaches there is only one perfect. Only one who fulfilled the just requirement of the law.

The law states, this is the requirement (obey these commands (including the ten commands) the law states, if we break this, The only way sin can be forgiven (the punishment of sin) is death (or the shedding of blood)

Thus the law is the schoolmaster.

1. The law shows us our sin, we failed to live up to the standard.
2. The law shows us how we were redeemed (the shedding of blood, of Christ)


thus, when we REPENT by admiting BOTH of these things (we are sinners, And only By the shed blood of Christ can we be redeemed) The law is fulfilled in us. It did its Job, It exposed in our souls we are sinners, And led us to Christ, the lamb of God who shed his blood. so we who trust him will NEVER PERISH but have eternal life.

Unless you believe never means something other than never. They you must (if you have true faith and a true trust in God) acknowledge, Those who trust Christ.

1. Have truly repented
2. Have the law fulfilled in them, as in they trust what it says
3. Have been made alive, who were dead in tresspasses and sins
4. Have been given eternal life, and will NEVER PERISH (lose salvation or die spiritually again)
5. Have been given the promise of God that nothing can take us from his love.

If one does not believe ALL of these things, they evidently have not repented. But I would say, they do not have saving faith.

 

[just-me]

When that happens we are no longer under the schoolmaster, the Law. We follow the Holy Spirit who teaches us. He is a whole different teacher. We are no longer under the rod that beats us but we are under love that teaches us.
The schoolmaster demands that you do. The schoolmaster doesn't provide you with anything.
The Lord Jesus Christ is our provision. He provides us with what the schoolmaster demands.
I hope you can see this distinction.

Sure I can see the difference. When we become mature, we no longer need a schoolmaster because we have the capability to go to school ourselves, comparing Spiritual with Spiritual. If we deny ourselves these things written for our edification we fail to show ourselves approved unto God.
2 Timothy 2:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

One must understand that the writers of the Old Testament as we know it today, didn't have the benefit of the New Testament as we know it today. So knowing that there were many quotes by the apostles, and Jesus Himself, from the Old Testament, it would stand to reason that the Old Testament is as relative today as it was then. It has a purpose equally as important today as then.
The Pharisees didn't know the Mosaic law either because they had distorted it so badly. Jesus called them on it.
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The way I see it, if we are to continue in the truth, the studying, and understanding of scripture will be unceasing to those who truly believe. That includes the law so we can continue to see how far we fall short even after being born again. Even though we are not under the law anymore, like David, because of his faith, we should consider it equally as important as he did, being a man after Gods own heart.

Psalm 1:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Isaiah 66:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

So I submit to you, my friend, whose hand made these things? The following scripture says Jesus did.
Colossians 1:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So one must understand that our Savior Jesus Christ gave Moses the law on Mount Sinai. For me to consider that is extremely serious but blessed. May God bless you with this information.

 

[nl]

Some may be saved but have no crowns but I wonder if this is possible. Jesus said to lay up your treasures in heaven. Eternal crowns and rewards will matter for eternity.

Faith works by love (Galatians 5:6). If someone has no love for God, then it seems to me that someone has no faith.

Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. (James 1:12)

 

[Michael50]

If you are going to try to be saved by obeying the commands, and preach salvation is by keeping Gods commands. Or in order to keep salvation you MUST keep Gods commands, (Which I might add I hear alot in here) Then you MUST teach it Gods way.

1. Sinless perfection is the standard of the law. It MUST be adhered to in order to be saved eternally by obeying Gods commands. Anything short would be missing the mark (falling Short) of the letter of the law. And require condemnation.

2. According to Scripture. No man has met this just requirement but one, That would be Christ. For ALL have sinned and fall short (literally in the greek "missed the mark") of the Glory (just requirement or standard) of God.

3. Thus. For those who are preaching we MUST obey God. to be saved, you are teaching that they must do something which according to Scripture WE HAVE ALREADY FAILED.

This is why when people come preaching OBEY OBEY OBEY, I ask. Are you perfect (the just requirement) and why you think you are. when scripture teaches there is only one perfect. Only one who fulfilled the just requirement of the law.

The law states, this is the requirement (obey these commands (including the ten commands) the law states, if we break this, The only way sin can be forgiven (the punishment of sin) is death (or the shedding of blood)

Thus the law is the schoolmaster.

1. The law shows us our sin, we failed to live up to the standard.
2. The law shows us how we were redeemed (the shedding of blood, of Christ)


thus, when we REPENT by admiting BOTH of these things (we are sinners, And only By the shed blood of Christ can we be redeemed) The law is fulfilled in us. It did its Job, It exposed in our souls we are sinners, And led us to Christ, the lamb of God who shed his blood. so we who trust him will NEVER PERISH but have eternal life.

Unless you believe never means something other than never. They you must (if you have true faith and a true trust in God) acknowledge, Those who trust Christ.

1. Have truly repented
2. Have the law fulfilled in them, as in they trust what it says
3. Have been made alive, who were dead in tresspasses and sins
4. Have been given eternal life, and will NEVER PERISH (lose salvation or die spiritually again)
5. Have been given the promise of God that nothing can take us from his love.

If one does not believe ALL of these things, they evidently have not repented. But I would say, they do not have saving faith.

I was wondering how you feel about mariage. Should we place ourselves under the Law and get married or should we fornicate and forget the Commandments of "thou shalt not commit adultery" & "Thou shalt not covet your neighbors wife."

And how should a man tell his girlfriend that he can't marry her. Because then it would look as if he was attempting to earn his his salvation thru obedience. Therefore would it be better in the eyes of God if they just remained fornicators?

Are you married? And if you are,, why? Did you not place yourself under a law that you can't keep? Are you trying to earn salvation by being faithful to your spouse? I say that because you have said countless times, we can't keep the law. So,,it would stand to reason that ALL married people are also having adulterous affairs,, right?
My questions are serious. They may look sarcastic, but, for you to continually claim keeping the Law is an atrocious act, you have some explaining to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was wondering how you feel about mariage. Should we place ourselves under the Law and get married or should we fornicate and forget the Commandments of "thou shalt not commit adultery" & "Thou shalt not covet your neighbors wife."

And how should a man tell his girlfriend that he can't marry her. Because then it would look as if he was attempting to earn his his salvation thru obedience. Therefore would it be better in the eyes of God if they just remained fornicators?

Are you married? And if you are,, why? Did you not place yourself under a law that you can't keep? Are you trying to earn salvation by being faithful to your spouse? I say that because you have said countless times, we can't keep the law. So,,it would stand to reason that ALL married people are also having adulterous affairs,, right?
My questions are serious. They may look sarcastic, but, for you to continually claim keeping the Law is an atrocious act, you have some explaining to do.

Your questions are inconsequential.

Those who follow God who are born of Him would want to do the right thing. It is their NEW NATURE. You keep asking these questions, you act as if a person who has been born of God, given the spirit of God. and adopted into his family would want to disobey him willingly and mock him on purpose.

The question is not if a child born of God would not want to do the right thing.

The question is are you doing it expecting God to look at you and say, You are deserving of my eternal life. This is a foolish thought. Even if we did the things you spoke of exactly right, We would still be unworthy. why? because perfection is required, from birth to death. Have you done this? If not. There is NO HOPE IN YOU DOING ENOUGH GOOD THINGS TO EVER EARN SALVATION!

Your already guilty!

As for your mocking questions..

I am faithful to my wife because God gave us marraige. Not because I am trying to gain anything from him. I KNOW that sin causes pain and suffering. I trust God, and have faith that when he says do this, He says it not to rule over me, but because he knows what is better than me.

what a better person to listen to than the creator, who KNOWS how we work!!

you don;t know what the law of faith is. If you did, you would not ask how people of God can do good deeds, and how they DO NOT WANT to do bad deeds.. You would understand these things are true, As God said they are. and not question his people!

 

[danschance]

I was wondering how you feel about mariage. Should we place ourselves under the Law and get married or should we fornicate and forget the Commandments of "thou shalt not commit adultery" & "Thou shalt not covet your neighbors wife."

And how should a man tell his girlfriend that he can't marry her. Because then it would look as if he was attempting to earn his his salvation thru obedience. Therefore would it be better in the eyes of God if they just remained fornicators?

Are you married? And if you are,, why? Did you not place yourself under a law that you can't keep? Are you trying to earn salvation by being faithful to your spouse? I say that because you have said countless times, we can't keep the law. So,,it would stand to reason that ALL married people are also having adulterous affairs,, right?
My questions are serious. They may look sarcastic, but, for you to continually claim keeping the Law is an atrocious act, you have some explaining to do.

Minus 10 points for this post of yours, Michael. (((sigh))))

...Yeah, Christians want to fornicate instead of getting married. I need some aspirin.

 

[Michael50]

Your questions are inconsequential.

Those who follow God who are born of Him would want to do the right thing. It is their NEW NATURE. You keep asking these questions, you act as if a person who has been born of God, given the spirit of God. and adopted into his family would want to disobey him willingly and mock him on purpose.

The question is not if a child born of God would not want to do the right thing.

The question is are you doing it expecting God to look at you and say, You are deserving of my eternal life. This is a foolish thought. Even if we did the things you spoke of exactly right, We would still be unworthy. why? because perfection is required, from birth to death. Have you done this? If not. There is NO HOPE IN YOU DOING ENOUGH GOOD THINGS TO EVER EARN SALVATION!

Your already guilty!

As for your mocking questions..

I am faithful to my wife because God gave us marraige. Not because I am trying to gain anything from him. I KNOW that sin causes pain and suffering. I trust God, and have faith that when he says do this, He says it not to rule over me, but because he knows what is better than me.

what a better person to listen to than the creator, who KNOWS how we work!!

you don;t know what the law of faith is. If you did, you would not ask how people of God can do good deeds, and how they DO NOT WANT to do bad deeds.. You would understand these things are true, As God said they are. and not question his people!

You failed at answering those questions,, how about explaining how an atheist can be faithful to his spouse. I know an atheist. He is a loving family man. Loves his kids, spends nearly all of his free time at the schools, helping with kids, raising money for the school,, goes on field trips with students.

He doesn't believe in a God. Yet he quit smoking,,, How did he do that? He has zero faith,, yet he doesn't cheat on his wife. Can you explain how he can keep the laws, but a christian like me cannot, and on top of that, I'm doomed to eternal hell,, all because I chose to beleive in Jesus?

Can you go ahead and just list all the denominations that will be going to hell? I would like to see your list. I believe you have one. Do tell?

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

Are you guys still going on? My goodness!

 

[Michael50]

Are you guys still going on? My goodness!

This thread has become merry-go-round. Eternally-grateful is the only one saved,, that's apparent..He has sit here ansd repeatedly told us that we are not saved. It's not off topic,, being faithful to your spouse is a commandment. every post is talking about laws. So,, I'm not off topic.

 

[Michael50]

Minus 10 points for this post of yours, Michael. (((sigh))))

...Yeah, Christians want to fornicate instead of getting married. I need some aspirin.

For weeks eternally grateful has told me I am not saved because I keep the Commandments. So,, it would seem to me, that an atheist is in better stead with God because he could care less about being saved. He merely loves his wife and wants only to be with her. But, according to Eternally-grateful, I being a Christian, who keeps the Law because I love Jesus,, am going to hell,, because I frustrate the grace of God and cause Him to destroy me.
I teach that we are to obey God,, eternal teaches we are to disobey God. Go figure,,,

Oh and about you minusing me points..Do you think I care?