Kenneth Hagin and the prosperity gospel

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Ariel82

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Nope doesn't seem plain.

Jesus came so we wouldn't have the curse of the law...does that mean people get the promise of the mosaic covenant?
or the opposite of the curse (healthy bodies with no illness if we just believe it) as Hagin implies?

The logic isnt there and since this is a thread about what Hagin teaches and you claim to not know what he teaches...its not plain at all what you are trying to say.

And very hard to hold a conversation on the topic of Hagin's teachings....
 
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Ariel82

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Is one semester at ORU that all it takes to become a certified heretic?:p
Nope folks give out that certificate for free.

Similar to the sign attached to the shark testing suit.
 
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CeileDe

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Is one semester at ORU that all it takes to become a certified heretic?:p
I see Olsteen as a motivational speaker who is confused about scripture. Not sure I would categorize him as a heretic.
 
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Ariel82

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I see Olsteen as a motivational speaker who is confused about scripture. Not sure I would categorize him as a heretic.
Osteen is a motivational speaker who teaches a false gospel. If he was just a motivational speaker it wouldn't bother me. However the false gospel makes him an enemy of God. if he didn't claim to be Christian and twist the Bible and lie about God's promises, i wouldn't say anything,

The only thing I am unsure about is if he knows he is teaching a false gospel and just wants to fleece the sheep (a heretic) or someone who is truly deceived by false teachings and may repent when made aware of his errors.

Either way, we should pray for him and his wife and all the people they have deceived and hurt,
 
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CeileDe

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Osteen is a motivational speaker who teaches a false gospel. The only thing I am unsure about is if he knows he is teaching a false gospel and just wants to fleece the sheep (a heretic) or someone who is truly deceived by false teachings and may repent when made aware of his errors.
I think the use of false gospel and heretic are used waaaaay too much on forums. Could it be this guy is just ignorant of what he says and thinks he is right? I wonder if anyone has actually tried to talk with him or counsel him instead of talking about him in front of their congregations?
 
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Ariel82

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I think the use of false gospel and heretic are used waaaaay too much on forums. Could it be this guy is just ignorant of what he says and thinks he is right? I wonder if anyone has actually tried to talk with him or counsel him instead of talking about him in front of their congregations?
If i ever get the chance I would. I have read that people have tried but he brushes them off. Don't know if it's true or not.

But this thread is about Hagin. If you want to learn more about Joel Osteen, feel free. Maybe a new thread?

Personally did a few hours research and learned enough to Not recommend his books or sermons because they are unbiblical.
 
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I see Olsteen as a motivational speaker who is confused about scripture. Not sure I would categorize him as a heretic.
1. JO has the biggest church in the US.
2. He preaches.
3. He has the time, resources, & money to receive training.
4. Anyone spreading heresy is a heretic..... no special qualifications, & no excuses, including ignorance.
5. I'm absolutely certain I'd categorize him as a heretic.

From Wikipedia:
Joel Scott Osteen (born March 5, 1963)[SUP][2][/SUP] is an American gospel preacher and televangelist. He is the Senior Pastor of Lakewood Church, in Houston, Texas. Osteen's televised sermons are seen by over 7 million viewers weekly and over 20 million monthly in over 100 countries.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] His sermons also broadcast 24 hours a day on Sirius XM Satellite Radio, Channel 128.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] Osteen has written seven New York Times Best Sellers. He has been widely nicknamed "The Smiling Preacher".[SUP][7][/SUP]
In 2004, his first book, Your Best Life Now, was released by Time Warner and debuted at the top of The New York Times Best Seller list. The book remained a The New York Times Best Seller for more than 200 weeks.

I guess that settles that.
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CeileDe

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1. JO has the biggest church in the US.
2. He preaches.
3. He has the time, resources, & money to receive training.
4. Anyone spreading heresy is a heretic..... no special qualifications, & no excuses, including ignorance.

From Wikipedia:
Joel Scott Osteen (born March 5, 1963)[SUP][2][/SUP] is an American gospel preacher and televangelist. He is the Senior Pastor of Lakewood Church, in Houston, Texas. Osteen's televised sermons are seen by over 7 million viewers weekly and over 20 million monthly in over 100 countries.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] His sermons also broadcast 24 hours a day on Sirius XM Satellite Radio, Channel 128.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] Osteen has written seven New York Times Best Sellers. He has been widely nicknamed "The Smiling Preacher".[SUP][7][/SUP]
In 2004, his first book, Your Best Life Now, was released by Time Warner and debuted at the top of The New York Times Best Seller list. The book remained a The New York Times Best Seller for more than 200 weeks.

I guess that settles that.
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Settles what? I see nothing in your post explaining why he is a heretic?
 
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Ariel82

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Lol, not even close Stephen, but you can still have a cookie.

Did you catch the question of why don't folks tell him or try and mentor him?

I think I saw something where someone said they did, you wouldn't have a link, would you?
 
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Ariel82

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Settles what? I see nothing in your post explaining why he is a heretic?
Joel Osteen tells people that God promises them health and wealth and promotions and more money if they give him seed money. He says if people don't tithe 10% they are stealing from God.....

I posted links to him saying this from his website in this thread.,
 
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CeileDe

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Aaaand..... I see absolutely nothing in your posts that proves he isn't a heretic. (your turn)
You made the claim of him being a heretic so therefore you would have to be the one to provide proof of this. That is the way it works in court anyways :)
 
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Ariel82

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Hagin wrote a book trying to rebuke and correct people who were a part of the prosperity gospel before he died in 2003

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How Can People Have the Wrong Motive for Giving to a Ministry? | CBN.com

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who “try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine.” He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: “There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes.”

3. It is not biblical to “name your seed” in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive “corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature.”

4. The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

5. Preachers who claim to have a “debt-breaking” anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise “supernatural debt cancellation” to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: “There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I’m afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved.”

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person “gives right now,” as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus’ empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. “What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings,” Hagin wrote.

Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation’s microscope. It’s time to revisit Hagin’s concerns and find a biblical balance.

Hagin told his followers: “Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good.” If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn’t it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma magazine.
 
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Ariel82

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I'm sure a court of law would use this as evidence. I really hope you have something better up your sleeve
No he doesn't. Can you two take your olsteen fight to another thread?

Ps look up the Bible verses in the bottom right corner to see what God really says and compare it to what Osteen teaches.
 
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