King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)

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Hizikyah

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Never read that one. I would think anyone that is truly seeking truth would avoid that one, and the satanic bible too. Common sense goes a long way. The versions being debated here are not the gay bible. I would think if anyone tried to promote that one as truth would be slammed down by most folks here. :) At least, one would hope so.
I agree with you, but what is the line for translations?

You know what I mean, one translation could be translated off texts that were not the oldest or most reliable, and also opinions differ on that too... I dont believe any single translation is perfect, but some are better than other IMO, though mostly all can be beneficial to those seeking, besides, when we first come to the faith we are not ready for 100& of the truth right away, and it takes years and years to learn more and more truth... (kind of got off topic)
 
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Arwen4CJ

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Does your Bible clearly proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ?

1 John 5:7 is one of the strongest verses in Scripture that supports the trinity and Godhead. Therefore attesting further to Jesus' deity. It's no surprise then that the modern versions would also corrupt and water down this verse, attacking the trinity. While the word "trinity" is not in the Bible, the word "Godhead" is. In the King James Bible, "Godhead" appears three times. Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9.

By now, I am sure you guys can see that these modern bible translations don't honor but attack the deity of Jesus Christ. And as you all can see, it is throughout. Without a shadow of doubt, I truly believe that these multiple versions that we have on the market now are one of the strategies that Satan is using in these last days as an attempt to destroy God's Holy Word and its Authority. Remember that Satan's first attack on the word of God was in the garden of Eden:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? - Genesis 3:1

"Yea, hath God said," were the very first recorded words of Satan as he threw his first line of attack against God's word. And that seed of doubt which Satan planted in Eve's mind, led her to question God's word. This one question in (Gen. 3:1) led to the fall of mankind.

The Authorized King James Version is the word of God. Indeed, it is the Bible that honors and exalts Jesus Christ the most.

Furthermore, I just wanted to share this post with you all because I knew it was important. I know there are many genuine, born again believers out there who use the modern versions. But I also believe they do so because they do not know any better. I do pray and hope that all of you who took the time to read this post would prayerfully consider returning to the old King James Bible.

For those of you who have any questions or concerns after reading this, please feel free to send me a message, and I will do what I can to answer your question. I also have plenty of good resources that I can direct you to. Well everyone, thank you for your time and consideration. God bless you and Shalom.

Justin
If the other Bible versions are "Satanic," then how can people still get the gospel out of them? Why aren't people led to worship Satan instead of God when they read those translations?

The gospel is the same, no matter what legitimate translation you use. (The NWT doesn't count as a legitimate translation).

Jesus' deity is easy to point out in any translation that you use, as is the gospel.
 

p_rehbein

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The KJV only movement that claims the KJV is the ONLY version to read is a cult. I'm not talking about people who prefer the KJV for various reasons. But for those who are dogmatic on this issue, to the point of saying all other English Bible translations are wrong - they are clearly involved in divisive cult behavior.
....so, just a guess here, but my "Rednecks for Christ" Translation is out huh?.......sigh.......
 

p_rehbein

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I agree with you, but what is the line for translations?

You know what I mean, one translation could be translated off texts that were not the oldest or most reliable, and also opinions differ on that too... I dont believe any single translation is perfect, but some are better than other IMO, though mostly all can be beneficial to those seeking, besides, when we first come to the faith we are not ready for 100& of the truth right away, and it takes years and years to learn more and more truth... (kind of got off topic)

The Holy Spirit is "the line for translations." God is quite capable of speaking to His children through His Written Word, and quite capable of preserving His Message regardless if it's in Hebrew, Greek, the 1600KJV, the KJV, the, NKJV, the NIV....not for nothing, but IF GOD is not powerful enough to do this, then we got more problems than just arguing over what translations to read..........sigh.........

The Holy Spirit is "the line for translations" He will NOT mislead any Christian.....trust in Him.......if you read the Written Word of God, and are blessed/guided/taught by the Holy Spirit in that reading, then as I see it, that translation is okydoky.

That' my two cents.jpg anyway...........
 

p_rehbein

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I agree numerous translation and ancient texts should always be consulted, I o have to say tho all translations are not of Yah, there is a gay bible that changes words so gay is ok.....
Hey Brother..........problem is...........their all GREEK to me.........so I gotta rely on the Holy Spirit to discern Scripture for me.

:)

[oh.............MERRY CHRISTMAS!]
 

ChosenbyHim

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If the other Bible versions are "Satanic," then how can people still get the gospel out of them?

Good question Arwen4JC. Well because Satan is subtil.

You see Arwen, Satan has been at his work for over 6,000 years now. Satan's power and intellect is not to be underestimated, no matter what the "Charismatics" are teaching these days.



Satan's bible is not going to look like the "Satanic bible" by Anton LaVey. In fact, the "Satanic bible" is a joke compared to Satan's true bibles: (NIV, ESV, NASB, CEV, etc.).


No Christian messes with Anton LaVey's "Satanic" bible. Every Christian has enough common sense to know that Anton LaVey's bible is not a real bible. They can tell right off the bat that it is an obvious COUNTERFEIT.

Therefore, Satan's bibles are going to look like the real Bible.

Why? So that he can deceive Christians into forsaking God's true word, which is the King James Bible.

And to get them to replace it with one of the counterfeits that are on the market: NIV, ESV, NLT, LB, Mess, NJB, CEV, etc.


And Anton LaVey; while he is considered a minister of Satan, he is mainly a humanist. Satan's true ministers appear as ministers of righteousness (2 Cor. 11:5).


For example, Joel Osteen is a true minister of Satan. Robert Schuller is another minister of Satan.



Why aren't people led to worship Satan instead of God when they read those translations?

Well here is the thing Arwen. The God that many modern professing "Christians" are worshiping in the modern churches is not the God of the Bible.


Many Christians today are worshiping a "god" made out of their own image. This fact can be easily attested by the fact the "rock n' roll" churches are growing, and the fact that there is more false doctrine and heresy being taught in today's churches than ever before.


In fact Arwen, I am confident that the "god" that many professing Christians are worshiping today is the antichrist. The "god" that many Christians are praising and worshiping in these liberal, 501c3 "church buildings" is a "god" that does not judge sin and that does not cast anyone into a burning Hell.


Most churches today are apostate. And Biblical illiteracy today among Christians is at an all time high. Why? Well, I believe one of the main reasons is because of all the 220+ English translations which all contradict one another in hundreds, if not thousands of places.



The gospel is the same, no matter what legitimate translation you use. (The NWT doesn't count as a legitimate translation).

The gospel may be the same in a lot of the translations that are out there, but that still does not change the fact that the modern versions are based on the corrupt Siniaticus and Vaticanus Greek texts. Which means that nearly all modern translations produced since 1881 are yoked up to the Vatican and the Papacy.


Jesus' deity is easy to point out in any translation that you use, as is the gospel.

Jesus' deity is attacked in the modern translations Arwen4CJ, and that is a fact. An irrefutable fact. Here is a good article I recently shared a link to. But I will repost it in this post:


Many Modern Versions Degrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ



Mat.27:24just/degrade - Another King James Bible Believer
 
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p_rehbein

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Whether you believe it or not p_rehbein, does not change the facts. The modern versions are not of the Lord.
CAUSE YOU SAY IT DOES NOT MAKE IT BIBLICAL TRUTH...............just your opinion.............can't figure out why you and others who believe as you want to LESSEN God.........it's truly a mystery.........you HONESTLY believe God is not the Almighty? That mere mortals can "corrupt" His written word while He stands by helpless to prevent it?

Oh, btw, the KJV is a translation.........
 

ChosenbyHim

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CAUSE YOU SAY IT DOES NOT MAKE IT BIBLICAL TRUTH...............just your opinion.............can't figure out why you and others who believe as you want to LESSEN God.........it's truly a mystery.........you HONESTLY believe God is not the Almighty? That mere mortals can "corrupt" His written word while He stands by helpless to prevent it?

p_rehbein, of course me and other King James Bible believers believe that God is the Almighty. And we believe that He has perfectly preserved His holy and inerrant word.



Oh, btw, the KJV is a translation.........

What Timothy had was also a translation. What Paul had was also a translation. What our Lord Jesus Christ read in the Synagogue in Luke 4:16-20 was also a translation. But those translations were the holy Scriptures.
 
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p_rehbein

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p_rehbein, of course me and other King James Bible believers believe that God is the Almighty. And we believe that He has perfectly preserved His holy and inerrant word.
There's been no evidence of it so far.........AND NOT FOR NOTHING.......but you guys give those of us who prefer the KJV to other translations a bad name............get off the "hate"waggon, and EMBRACE GRACE!
 

ChosenbyHim

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There's been no evidence of it so far.........AND NOT FOR NOTHING.......but you guys give those of us who prefer the KJV to other translations a bad name............get off the "hate"waggon, and EMBRACE GRACE!

There is plenty of evidence for the preservation of the Holy Scriptures. You just choose to not see the evidence.


And by the way, this is not about our "preferences." This needs to be about conviction. Conviction about the pure words of God Almighty.
 

p_rehbein

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There is plenty of evidence for the preservation of the Holy Scriptures. You just choose to not see the evidence.


And by the way, this is not about our "preferences." This needs to be about conviction. Conviction about the pure words of God Almighty.

I KNOW there is plenty of evidence that He has preserved His Word.........it's you guys who are denying it......geessshhhh
 

ChosenbyHim

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I KNOW there is plenty of evidence that He has preserved His Word.........it's you guys who are denying it......geessshhhh

No, we Bible believers acknowledge that He has preserved His word.


It is the Alexandrians who deny Bible Preservation. The Alexandrians do not believe that any Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God.


The Alexandrians believe that only the "Original Autographs" were inspired and inerrant. Therefore, they are the ones who deny Bible Preservation.
 

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Prove how it is Gods word when he never ordered a bible to be made, the book was written in 1611 and has tons of political hints inside. How could it be the one and true translation? Nobody else thinks this way.

Your beliefs are of a recent movement of people that think the towers were taken down by the .gov, Obama is a lizard and the earth is about to come to an end!

Prove how the King James Version is the only true word of God?
 
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Reformedjason

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Kjv onlyist always claim the Kjv is the preserved word of God. What was before 1611? To them it is the "traditional" text. The thing is there is no mss that reads exactly like the Kjv until after the Kjv was published. If you dig in their claims crumble. The only way their claims stand is if they claim re inspiration. If you read the translators to the reader , the translators denied this. Kjv onlyism makes no sense.
 

Angela53510

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Wow! I had no idea ChosenByHim had been posting this drivel as far back as 2011. This is one old post.

I got saved reading a Catholic Bible. I have read many versions and have also read chapters and books in Hebrew, and the New Testament in Greek.

How can you say that all the Bibles in the world, esp. in non English speaking countries are not the Word of God? The ignorance of this kind of post continues to boogle me!
 
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Does your Bible clearly proclaim the deity of Jesus Christ?

Hello and Greetings Saints!

My name is Justin, and before I continue with my post, I just wanted to briefly introduce myself for those of you who have never seen me nor met me yet. I am still fairly new to Christian Chat, and so far I really like it here. It's really good getting to meet fellow believers who live in different states, countries and those who live across the world on different continents. It's been a very longtime since I have been in a chat room, so I am still getting used to the fast pace that takes place in Christian Chat lol. But I am glad to be able to come on here and fellowship with fellow saints and believers :)

Now to begin with my post, I would like to say that I have been studying the Bible Versions Issue for about six months now. But ever since that time in April; when I started reading, researching, and doing comparisons between different bible translations, I discovered one prominent thing that kept taking place in the modern versions: A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ. That's right. In many verses of Scripture where the King James Bible clearly proclaims the deity of our Lord Jesus, the modern and new bible versions out there attack His deity. Below are are just several examples between the Authorized King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), English Standard Version (ESV), and New Living Translation (NLT).

Let's look at our first Scripture:

1 Timothy 3:16

KJV: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

NIV: Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

ESV: Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

NLT: Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

In this one example, we see here that the KJV clearly states that it was God who was manifested in the flesh while the modern translations obscure the passage by removing and replacing "God" with "He." He appeared in a body? Well, just who appeared in a body? We've all appeared in a body. Come on now.

The next verse,

Ephesians 3:9

KJV: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

NIV: and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

ESV: and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,

NLT: I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning.

Here, the KJV plainly states that Jesus Christ is the Creator.

Micah 5:2​


KJV: But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

NIV: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

ESV: But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.

NLT: But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village among all the people of Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.

Again, we see a subtle attack on Jesus' deity. And in Micah 5:2, the modern translations do it by giving Jesus an origin. The KJV correctly states that Jesus is from everlasting.

1 John 3:16

KJV: Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

NIV: This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

ESV: By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.

NLT: We know what real love is because Jesus gave up his life for us. So we also ought to give up our lives for our brothers and sisters.

In the KJV, we have "God" being the antecedent and "he" being the pronoun. Hence, the pronoun is referring to the antecedent. So, we know that it was God who laid down His life for us. But in the modern translations, the term "God" is taken out. Therefore, as you can see by the examples above, there is no reference to God in the NIV, NLT, or ESV.

Daniel 3:25​


KJV: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

NIV: He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."

ESV: He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

NLT: "Look!" Nebuchadnezzar shouted. "I see four men, unbound, walking around in the fire unharmed! And the fourth looks like a god!"

The fourth person in that fiery furnace was the Lord Jesus Christ. But the modern versions take out "Son of God," thereby, removing another reference to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament.

Matthew 20:20

KJV: Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

NIV: Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.

ESV: Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something.

NLT: Then the mother of James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Jesus with her sons. She knelt respectfully to ask a favor.

The mother of Zebedee's children and her sons worshiped Jesus. You see, anyone can bow down or kneel before someone without worshiping them. Again, the King James Version gives the correct reading and honors Jesus as God, while the
NIV, NLT, and ESV attempt to strip the Lord Jesus of His deity.

Revelation 1:6​


KJV: And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

NIV: and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

ESV: and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

NLT: He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.

In Revelation 1:6, it is the Lord Jesus who makes us kings and priests unto Himself (God) and His Father. This is another strong & clear verse in the KJV that proves that Jesus Christ is God.

1 John 5:7​


KJV: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

NIV: For there are three that testify:

ESV: For there are three that testify:

NLT: So we have these three witnesses--

1 John 5:7 is one of the strongest verses in Scripture that supports the trinity and Godhead. Therefore attesting further to Jesus' deity. It's no surprise then that the modern versions would also corrupt and water down this verse, attacking the trinity. While the word "trinity" is not in the Bible, the word "Godhead" is. In the King James Bible, "Godhead" appears three times. Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9.

By now, I am sure you guys can see that these modern bible translations don't honor but attack the deity of Jesus Christ. And as you all can see, it is throughout. Without a shadow of doubt, I truly believe that these multiple versions that we have on the market now are one of the strategies that Satan is using in these last days as an attempt to destroy God's Holy Word and its Authority. Remember that Satan's first attack on the word of God was in the garden of Eden:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? - Genesis 3:1

"Yea, hath God said," were the very first recorded words of Satan as he threw his first line of attack against God's word. And that seed of doubt which Satan planted in Eve's mind, led her to question God's word. This one question in (Gen. 3:1) led to the fall of mankind.

The Authorized King James Version is the word of God. Indeed, it is the Bible that honors and exalts Jesus Christ the most.

Furthermore, I just wanted to share this post with you all because I knew it was important. I know there are many genuine, born again believers out there who use the modern versions. But I also believe they do so because they do not know any better. I do pray and hope that all of you who took the time to read this post would prayerfully consider returning to the old King James Bible.

For those of you who have any questions or concerns after reading this, please feel free to send me a message, and I will do what I can to answer your question. I also have plenty of good resources that I can direct you to. Well everyone, thank you for your time and consideration. God bless you and Shalom.

Justin

Isa.46.10 in all versions of the Bible says, God knew and declared the end from the beginning; Ps.139.4 in all versions says, God knows every word in our tongue before it is in it, so God knew when the printing press would be invented, he knew when America would be discovered, and he knew what version of his word would surface and flourish in the first time and place of the freedom to read it to the hearts content. The version that stood alone for around 300 years and built this nations churches, warned not to trust human wisdom, not to privately interpret, not to add words or take them away. Why would Almighty God allow that if it were not true? Since he did allow it, trying to improve it shows a lack of faith since James 1 5-6 says to ask God for wisdom, and it will be given - if we aske in faith. 2 Tim.2.15 says "study to show yourselves approved unto God--", so trying to get around that is trusting human wisdom.

Also, where Ps.12.6-7 says the words of the Lord are pure words, tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times as silver is tried, and God will keep it from that generation forever" The KJV is the seventh primary English version of the Bible. I also found that the very nomenclature that some think is to hard to read, and think to change it into esay reading, is the very wording that link the "rightfully divided word of truth" together in an unbroken chain of self revelation. That would be why we are not to trust human wisdom. God knew that those that trust human wisdom would not find what those that read with faith would find. That would be how he hid the wisdom from the wise and prudent and revealed it to babes. He hid it in plain sight. Don't let any one tell you there is a better version, just familiarize yourself with the whole and express word. Human wisdom can and will fail you, but God will not.

God's grace to you
 

ChosenbyHim

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Kjv onlyist always claim the Kjv is the preserved word of God. What was before 1611? To them it is the "traditional" text. The thing is there is no mss that reads exactly like the Kjv until after the Kjv was published. If you dig in their claims crumble. The only way their claims stand is if they claim re inspiration. If you read the translators to the reader , the translators denied this. Kjv onlyism makes no sense.

The difference between purity and perfection in the translation of the Bible

[video=youtube;uFL1fKFnWoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFL1fKFnWoM[/video]




This is a video response to those who raise the false question of where was the Bible before 1611. Their assumption is that to because King James Onlyists don't consider as Bibles those that came after 1611, that we don't consider those that were before 1611 as Bibles since they don't exactly match the KJB. That is a false assumption. The earlier Bibles were pure Bibles were blessed by God with His life and thus, were 'quick and powerful'. They were not yet perfect Bibles because English hadn't been perfected (completed) yet.
God will bless a pure Bible, from correct Mss and translated for the right reasons, love of His words, as He did before 1611.
Bibles that came after 1611 were translated from the wrong texts, and for the wrong reasons.

 

ChosenbyHim

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Wow! I had no idea ChosenByHim had been posting this drivel as far back as 2011. This is one old post.

And I am not surprised that you are still rejecting the truth. That seminary sure did a job on destroying your faith in God's perfect word.


I got saved reading a Catholic Bible. I have read many versions and have also read chapters and books in Hebrew, and the New Testament in Greek.

Who said that a person could not get saved reading a modern version or a Catholic bible?


How can you say that all the Bibles in the world, esp. in non English speaking countries are not the Word of God? The ignorance of this kind of post continues to boogle me!

Not all foreign bibles are the word of God.


Now there are some legitimate foreign translations out there, translations which are based on the right Hebrew and Greek texts and not the vile and corrupt Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts.
 
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