King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)
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Being home schooled my father taught me to read and write from the book of John in a KJV Bible
I did not read Dr. Sues or the like just the book of John
once I could read all the way through the book I was moved on to Matthew Mark and Luke
After all this the remainder of the NT
while I still use the KJV and prefer it
mostly because it's what I know
It would be kinda silly to say it is the only translation that is the Word of God
I have a dear friend who reads her Bible in brail and it's the same word of God
same with a friend I met on mission who has a Bible written in French she needs this since that's her primary language
I have a friend who uses an ASB and when she quotes it the scripture seems the same to me
let The Holy Spirit guide you and you will understand God's Word
I did not read Dr. Sues or the like just the book of John
once I could read all the way through the book I was moved on to Matthew Mark and Luke
After all this the remainder of the NT
while I still use the KJV and prefer it
mostly because it's what I know It would be kinda silly to say it is the only translation that is the Word of God
I have a dear friend who reads her Bible in brail and it's the same word of God
same with a friend I met on mission who has a Bible written in French
she needs this since that's her primary languageI have a friend who uses an ASB and when she quotes it the scripture seems the same to me
let The Holy Spirit guide you and you will understand God's Word
ChosenByHim, I have NEVER read the KJV through! I read about 10 versions long before I went to Seminary. In Hebrew, we did translations and compared them to KJV and other modern versions.
KJV often was a very good translation. I never said it wasn't. What I don't believe is that it is the only "inspired" translation, and neither can I understand half of it, because I don't speak early modern English, and the literal equivalent word order is too difficult to spend a lot of time puzzling out. In Greek, the word order is also often very different than English, but the use of cases for nouns and adjectives help sort that out quite easily.
I personally use ESV, I find it to be closest in translating, esp. verb tenses. Sorry you are so stuck in the mud about this issue. But if you can read it and understand it, more power to you! Just please stop flogging this dead horse.
Oh where is Tintin when you need him!
KJV often was a very good translation. I never said it wasn't. What I don't believe is that it is the only "inspired" translation, and neither can I understand half of it, because I don't speak early modern English, and the literal equivalent word order is too difficult to spend a lot of time puzzling out. In Greek, the word order is also often very different than English, but the use of cases for nouns and adjectives help sort that out quite easily.
I personally use ESV, I find it to be closest in translating, esp. verb tenses. Sorry you are so stuck in the mud about this issue. But if you can read it and understand it, more power to you! Just please stop flogging this dead horse.
Oh where is Tintin when you need him!
When I decided to become a serious student of the bible, I felt I had to make a choice on a version of the bible for study. I had about eight different versions and a couple were study bible types. I considered various things and I chose the King James Bible. Studying from one bible made a huge impact on my ability to retain information. Also, really began to see Scripture interpret Scripture in a big way. Words & terms are important. I have heard many discussions, debates, arguments, etc. it is a conscious choice that needs to be made for some, I made that choice, I will always be King James only. People don't even need to read the bible, or go to church, to be saved.
"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:14
Reading the Bible, or at least hearing the Bible from someone is the most important way people get saved, according to this verse!
Reading the Bible, or at least hearing the Bible from someone is the most important way people get saved, according to this verse!
Well I strongly suggest for you to read it through. It will bless you tremendously.
Angela, if you cannot understand it, then why don't you ask the Holy Ghost to give you understanding of its text?
Also I understand that there are reliable foreign translations out there that are translated from the right manuscripts and texts.
Angela you can use whatever translation you want, but just understand that the modern versions do pervert and twist Bible Doctrine.
It's been proven time and time again that this is the case.
And no, this is not a dead horse. This issue will continue to be one of the most important issues facing Christians and the church.
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"We think therefore we are"
why do you care what someone else is reading? IMO this talk is judge-mental control in order to prove your own hypothesis.
Yeah it's a forum but you relay the same info but never add any new information.
All Bibles are finite, as humans we are always changing and thus we need infinite information so we will always change the text of the Bible, there will never be a final version.
why do you care what someone else is reading? IMO this talk is judge-mental control in order to prove your own hypothesis.
Yeah it's a forum but you relay the same info but never add any new information.
All Bibles are finite, as humans we are always changing and thus we need infinite information so we will always change the text of the Bible, there will never be a final version.
The problem with the teaching that only one translation is God inspired is mostly that it is not the truth, and we are after truth.
Another problem is that every single translation, including the KJV is man trying to put God's words into a human language, and if we don't recognize that we aren't reading any translation correctly. For every translation, the thinking of the men who are trying to reach through to God's meaning cannot help being influenced by their personal agenda's. The wonderful men who worked at the KJV are reflecting their current Christian style of persecuting Jews. When it was the current Christian belief in 1600, I think the translators did very well to keep it out of scripture as well as they did, but it is still in there.
The only true reading of scripture is in God's spiritual language. When our eyes are taken from that into "This one does it better than THAT one does it" sort of thinking, we lose sight of the goal. It becomes human pride.
The bible program on my computer is able to put bible translations up side by side. I read scripture through prayer to God. I think that is most accurate.
Another problem is that every single translation, including the KJV is man trying to put God's words into a human language, and if we don't recognize that we aren't reading any translation correctly. For every translation, the thinking of the men who are trying to reach through to God's meaning cannot help being influenced by their personal agenda's. The wonderful men who worked at the KJV are reflecting their current Christian style of persecuting Jews. When it was the current Christian belief in 1600, I think the translators did very well to keep it out of scripture as well as they did, but it is still in there.
The only true reading of scripture is in God's spiritual language. When our eyes are taken from that into "This one does it better than THAT one does it" sort of thinking, we lose sight of the goal. It becomes human pride.
The bible program on my computer is able to put bible translations up side by side. I read scripture through prayer to God. I think that is most accurate.
We are not to change the text of the Bible.
Revelation 22:18-20
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
There is a Final and Complete and Perfect Bible. It is the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
Absolute Standard - Another King James Bible Believer
I personally think that the closest you will get to "complete, final and perfect" Biblical texts would be to read them in the original Greek and Hebrew. Anything else is a translation...yes, even KJV. This is a circle argument, though, because KJV-onlyists will never admit that God can speak through other translations and that they are valid and trustworthy and those that believe that other translations are great, especially studying side by side will never conform to the 'only KJV' mentality. Around and around the mulberry bush we go, chasing the weasel and getting nowhere.
I firmly believe that these are the kinds of things that turns some away from Christianity. Why are we arguing about this when polygamy has been legalized in Utah, same-sex marriage is being approved everywhere, overriding the voice of the people, and that abortion is running rampant...not to mention all the planks in our own eyes. Do we really believe God is going to judge our lives based on the translation of the Bible we read? Or, are we to be judged based on the love we show and the lives we lead?
I said it before, God is more powerful than man and translations. He will speak. The hungry will hear and obey. That is what matters.
I firmly believe that these are the kinds of things that turns some away from Christianity. Why are we arguing about this when polygamy has been legalized in Utah, same-sex marriage is being approved everywhere, overriding the voice of the people, and that abortion is running rampant...not to mention all the planks in our own eyes. Do we really believe God is going to judge our lives based on the translation of the Bible we read? Or, are we to be judged based on the love we show and the lives we lead?
I said it before, God is more powerful than man and translations. He will speak. The hungry will hear and obey. That is what matters.
What if someone claims the 2011 NIV is the perfect word of God? Prove me wrong.
Yourself, I and everyone else knows this is impossible. Please stop stirring the pot on this.
because you feel strongly about something does not mean everyone else wants to hear you. Until you can prove something. Something other than an opinion, feeling, claim.
You can say the wind is powered by people farting but the fact is that warm air weighs less than cold air. This is a testable theory and thus creates proof. Please provide equal evidence.
Yourself, I and everyone else knows this is impossible. Please stop stirring the pot on this.
because you feel strongly about something does not mean everyone else wants to hear you. Until you can prove something. Something other than an opinion, feeling, claim.
You can say the wind is powered by people farting but the fact is that warm air weighs less than cold air. This is a testable theory and thus creates proof. Please provide equal evidence.
There are a lot of important words removed or changed by modern translations. The words are needful to doctrine, that is why I choose to use the KJBible and none other. We need a standard, we need an Authority. No need for commentaries, study bible notes, lexicon, seminary, etc. just a bible we can believe and build our faith by with the help & teaching of the Holy Spirit. How I came to choose my King James over all the other translations I had was word study. Begotten is an important word, I want it in my bible.
IMO, getting caught up in multi-translation use, materials of others, looking up greek/hebrew, and so on, really only leads to leaning on your own understanding, you become the standard of that critical thinking. When did seminary become necessary to preach the gospel, be an ambassador of the ministry of reconciliation? Maybe if you are adhereing to a doctrine of denominationalism, sure, gotta learn that doctrine of men & their knowledge about God. Sorry, but I don't agree. Religion, as well as bad translations, have crippled effectiveness of individuals to stand and preach the word of truth/in truth.
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