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iamsoandso

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There isn't only spiritual Israel, there's also flesh and blood descendants of Israel. God's elect are the spiritual descendants of Israel but the flesh descendants were chosen by God to do all of Romans 9:4-5.

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

God is done with them now, all of the things above are completed. The fruit has been gathered, there is no use for them any more.

hmm, bare in mind though that as a Hebrew I would naturally see topics like this with a personal interest. That said though if you continue reading from Romans 9 over to chapter 11:25 do you see them no longer blinded and the fulness of the Gentiles complete or them still in use?
 

GraceAndTruth

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This whole concept reminds me of the little bearded man of the comic strips, walking the streets with one of those billboard signs they wear saying..........."the end of the world is coming"

THE end will come when the last person God intends to be saved IS saved. Not one minute before or after.
Christians look for His coming and rejoice.....the rest will be eating and drinking and not know what hit them.
Others will still be looking for the signs and wonders of the last days, not knowing that their last day is upon them.
 
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hmm, bare in mind though that as a Hebrew I would naturally see topics like this with a personal interest. That said though if you continue reading from Romans 9 over to chapter 11:25 do you see them no longer blinded and the fulness of the Gentiles complete or them still in use?
I don't see God ever being finished with saving Jews. There has always been a remnant that have been saved and there will always be a remnant that will be saved. Amos 8 isn't talking about saving people, it's talking about God not using them any more.
 

iamsoandso

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I don't see God ever being finished with saving Jews. There has always been a remnant that have been saved and there will always be a remnant that will be saved. Amos 8 isn't talking about saving people, it's talking about God not using them any more.
That's not what I'm asking,I'm asking about Romans 11:25 and Luke 21:24 and if you see that still ongoing or in the past and if them being blinded in part are the Gentiles provoking them,if so their still in use.
 

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I'm not name calling, I'm telling you guys that according to scripture you are wrong and you're leading people astray. Here are two of many many verses that prove that you guys are wrong.

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
yes, you are name calling and you are arrogant.
 

GraceAndTruth

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That's not what I'm asking,I'm asking about Romans 11:25 and Luke 21:24 and if you see that still ongoing or in the past and if them being blinded in part are the Gentiles provoking them,if so their still in use.
The whole world is blind and being led by blind guides.

People are born again by God's grace and given the eyes to see and the ears to hear and new life in Christ. Until that happens people walk around in a stuper..........Zombies......the walking dead.

Know what being born again means..... to make that which was dead ( a corpse ) alive......to quicken.
Jews, Gentiles, Muslims and all other peoples MIGHT be born again at some time, but ONLY by God's will.

IT IS GOD WHO HAS CAUSED YOU TO BE BORN AGAIN 1 PETER 1: 3
 

iamsoandso

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The whole world is blind and being led by blind guides.

People are born again by God's grace and given the eyes to see and the ears to hear and new life in Christ. Until that happens people walk around in a stuper..........Zombies......the walking dead.

Know what being born again means..... to make that which was dead ( a corpse ) alive......to quicken.
Jews, Gentiles, Muslims and all other peoples MIGHT be born again at some time, but ONLY by God's will.

IT IS GOD WHO HAS CAUSED YOU TO BE BORN AGAIN 1 PETER 1: 3

oh I see,,so when the two horned beast comes and says lets make and image of the beast that was and kills those who wont do it will you be able to lead them from blindness?
 
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I have been having visions lately, lead by the holy spirit I saw wheat shining in a field and ready for harvest. I've been having many more, but I know there are many nay sayers... I definitely feel there is an urgency for followers of Yeshua Jesus Christ to start following in spirit and truth. We must help one another and stop arguing amongst ourselves, Elohim is ready for his people to follow in spirit. Words I heard spoken to me in spirit, "North of Euphrates, God's wrath, they are not of God." I'm just sharing what I've been shown and shall leave it up to you to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance in what I've shared. Sholom.
 

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I thought generation did not mean a group of people the same age but a generation meaning a tribe. Specifically, in context, Judaens.
He calls Pharisees a wicked and evil generation. John the baptist calls them a generation of vipers. He tells them their father is the devil they are not descendants of abraham. Generation means sons of...in the Bible it doesnt mean like how we say today generation x or millenials. In Genesis 10 when talking about generations of the sons of Noah it goes on to list them all.

People are caught up in how long a generation is, that is not the point, Jesus was talking about certain members of the tribes of Israel some where not actually children of GOd.

See matthew 12:33-45
 
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That's not what I'm asking,I'm asking about Romans 11:25 and Luke 21:24 and if you see that still ongoing or in the past and if them being blinded in part are the Gentiles provoking them,if so their still in use.
I don't see the two verse as being related. I think Luke 21:24 is talking about the verses below and I think they have been fulfilled along time ago.

Jer_46:1 The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles;

Jer_4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

Joe_3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

Zec_1:21 Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.

As far as Israel being blind in part, I have no idea if that's still true. From what I see in Christianity today, it lookd to me like the times of the Gentiles are over... But who can know for sure.
 
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yes, you are name calling and you are arrogant.
I'm no more arrogant than you would be if you were debating a JW. You know what is right and what is not in that debate.... In this debate you're the JW.
 
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I thought generation did not mean a group of people the same age but a generation meaning a tribe. Specifically, in context, Judaens.
He calls Pharisees a wicked and evil generation. John the baptist calls them a generation of vipers. He tells them their father is the devil they are not descendants of abraham. Generation means sons of...in the Bible it doesnt mean like how we say today generation x or millenials. In Genesis 10 when talking about generations of the sons of Noah it goes on to list them all.

People are caught up in how long a generation is, that is not the point, Jesus was talking about certain members of the tribes of Israel some where not actually children of GOd.

See matthew 12:33-45
I agree with you about generations being groups of people or tribes. But as far as the prophecies in Matthew go, whether the generation is seen as 40 years, 70 years or a generation of vipers, all of those generations ended at AD70.
 

GraceAndTruth

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oh I see,,so when the two horned beast comes and says lets make and image of the beast that was and kills those who wont do it will you be able to lead them from blindness?
Got to say it, ........you sure do have an active imagination.
If you are referring to the symbolism of Revelation........rest easy, no monster coming to get you.....it is history and not about to be repeated.
 
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Was the tabernacle of David rebuilt in Hoseas time?


Amo 9:11 (KJV) In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

No but it was when Christ came and took the kingdom from the Jews.
God who in sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past
unto the fathers by the prophets Hath in THESE LAST DAYS spoken
unto us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things by
whom also he made the worlds

Hebrews 1: 1-2

The last days took place in the time of the Apostles and ended with the Judgement of God on Jerusalem along with the destruction of the OT system. The first coming of Christ set them in motion. In Revelation the sealed book was unsealed. That was some 2000 years ago. From Daniels viewpoint the prophecies looked forward to the first coming of Christ which took placed centuries in his
future and included the empires of the Meads and Persians, Greece and Rome.

From first century Jewish viewpoint there were no nations in the modern sense but City States, tribes and clans. The only one anything like a nation was Egypt. Empires consisted of multiple tribes and people including Rome

When the ancient prophets of Israel spoke of the last days they used the symbolic language of creation many times as did Peter. When Joel or Peter say, ........the moon shall be as blood, or the sun shall be black as sackcloth, or, the stars shall fall from heaven, or the heavens shall roll up as a scroll......... They are not speaking of the creation of the cosmos, they are speaking of the old way in Adam. Or the 7 day creation covenant in Adam!

Many passages in the Old Testament and in the New, say something like.....heaven and Earth will wax old and pass away.......it speaks of the old way in Adam, not the cosmos. The last days were fulfilled between 4bc and 70ad; .. ie... the great and terrible day of the Lord..... time of Jacob's trouble......times of the gentiles be fulfilled........ the resurrection of the dead.......etc

Paul, said heaven and Earth, ... all things have passed away and behold all things have been made new in Christ Jesus.......!! Did Paul not say that ..... Christ Jesus was the new creation and the 2nd Adam; and that we are new creatures (or new citizens) in that New creation.....?

Most in the local churches have been taught many wrong things and now they're trying to interrupt scripture from a false paradigm. Again like putting new 🍷 in an old wine skin. You must let this old paradigm go and lay hold of the new paradigm. TKS 😋
 

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If you are referring to the symbolism of Revelation........rest easy, no monster coming to get you.....it is history and not about to be repeated.
Yeah its history.

Remember that time in history when Jesus returned with His saints?

Remember that time in history when the mark of the beast was implemented?

Remember that time in history when the antichrist was persecuting the saints? Even the early church fathers spoke of it as future and they were writing that during severe persecution in the 100s and 200s!

Remember that time in history when all grass was burnt up?

Remember when third of the ships sunk and waters turned into blod and fish perished?

Remember when the two witnesses were laying in Jerusalem, the nations were glad and sent gifts to each other and they were raptured up?

Yeah............. Me neither.

Preterism belongs to that trash heap of history (pun intended)
 
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Yeah its history.

Remember that time in history when Jesus returned with His saints?

Remember that time in history when the mark of the beast was implemented?

Remember that time in history when the antichrist was persecuting the saints? Even the early church fathers spoke of it as future and they were writing that during severe persecution in the 100s and 200s!

Remember that time in history when all grass was burnt up?

Remember when third of the ships sunk and waters turned into blod and fish perished?

Remember when the two witnesses were laying in Jerusalem, the nations were glad and sent gifts to each other and they were raptured up?

Yeah............. Me neither.

Preterism belongs to that trash heap of history (pun intended)
The Old Testament saints returned from the heart of the earth at the same one Jesus returned from the heart of the earth. Wouldn’t you agree?
 

GraceAndTruth

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"mark of the beast"......sybolic of belonging to the devil
Seal of the Holy Spirit...... symbolic of belonging to Christ.

There are no actual marks or seals
 

GraceAndTruth

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The saints have been persecuted from always.
I can't think of a time when they were not.
 

GraceAndTruth

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When does the symbolism of Revelation become literal? When those with no understanding want it to be.
All the symbolism of the seals, bowls and trumpets become literal when those with stubborn unteachable hearts want to throw up red herrings.