LEGALSIM...how do you know if your a "legalist"

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Mitspa

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Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 
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Mitspa

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The_highwayman said:
So you are saying legalism is faith working by love!?!?!?

WOW! the deception in you grows.....
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Can you read? try it again!


Legalism is not obedience,

faith working by love is.
 
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Mitspa

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john832 said:
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What highwayman said.
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lol you guys are funny...and I think ....clearly in the flesh.

Ga 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
 
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Mitspa said:
Can you read? try it again!


Legalism is not obedience,

faith working by love is.
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Some in effect believe there is a pass mark of obedience to the law they may attain to to inherit eternal life. There is a pass mark, but it is beyond man to attain, for it is 100% perfect obedience, no slip ups
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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If this thread proves nothing else, it proves that legalism is alive and well in today's church.
 
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The_highwayman said:
So you are saying legalism is faith working by love!?!?!?

WOW! the deception in you grows.....
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Kinda reminds me of two quotes...


War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. - George Orwell
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. - Joseph Goebels
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Shout 'em down Mitspa, shout 'em down.
 
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They believe the slate is wiped clean at the point of conversion. After that it is for you to shape up to an imaginary pass mark of obedience to the law to attain Heaven. So in effect Heaven depends on you observing the law (avoiding sinning). But at the same time they say Jesus died for your sins. Hence most believe Jesus died for the sin you committed before you got saved, but not after
 
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Mitspa

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john832 said:
Kinda reminds me of two quotes...






Shout 'em down Mitspa, shout 'em down.
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Well the truth don't change ....And I don't move from it... As you should know by now :)
 
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Mitspa said:
Can you read? try it again!


Legalism is not obedience,

faith working by love is.
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yes I can read , can you write?


Are you saying faith working in love is obedience?

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Are you saying faith working in love is legalism?

The way you write this tells the reader that legalism is not obedience, but that faith working in love is legalism...

If this is not what you intended then write it better...
 
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The_highwayman

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Mitspa said:
Well the truth don't change ....And I don't move from it... As you should know by now :)
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The truth is not in you that is the issue....you cannot refute anything I wrote, because you cannot and will not, so its better to run and hide under hit and run accusations.

Has I stated and know now is true, your a cloud and wind without rain....
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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The_highwayman said:
The truth is not in you that is the issue....you cannot refute anything I wrote, because you cannot and will not, so its better to run and hide under hit and run accusations.
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Looked to me and everyone except John like he pretty much pasted you. But since the two of you didn't see it, and want to try to twist his words to make them say something they clearly don't say, I guess that makes it a draw. roll-eye-smiley.gif
 
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michael56 said:
They believe the slate is wiped clean at the point of conversion. After that it is for you to shape up to an imaginary pass mark of obedience to the law to attain Heaven. So in effect Heaven depends on you observing the law (avoiding sinning). But at the same time they say Jesus died for your sins. Hence most believe Jesus died for the sin you committed before you got saved, but not after
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Actually, what I believe is that the slate is wiped clean by the blood of Christ and that each and every sin (the transgression of the Law) requires the blood of Christ to atone for it.

On the other hand, the cheap grace story is that there is no Law and sin does not require blood and we should not worry about striving to overcome sin, just love, love, love and all is well. Apparently it is believed by the love crowd that the Law does not define sin and it is not a big deal and we should not strive to avoid sinning.

Yep, we are certainly on different levels of understanding.
 
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john832

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Just another thought...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Apparently anyone that thinks this way is considered a legalist for wanting to avoid sinning willfully.
 
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Mitspa

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The_highwayman said:
yes I can read , can you write?


Are you saying faith working in love is obedience?

OR


Are you saying faith working in love is legalism?

The way you write this tells the reader that legalism is not obedience, but that faith working in love is legalism...

If this is not what you intended then write it better...
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No the bible says faith working by love is obedience ...the bible also makes clear that legalism is not obedience .

Anybody should be able to grasp what I wrote...I have said it about a thousand times now :)
 
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john832

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Mitspa said:
No the bible says faith working by love is obedience ...the bible also makes clear that legalism is not obedience .

Anybody should be able to grasp what I wrote...I have said it about a thousand times now :)
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And it would be far more convincing if it were scriptural...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

And in the very next chapter we are told what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

the Law defines sin.
 
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Mitspa

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john832 said:
Just another thought...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Apparently anyone that thinks this way is considered a legalist for wanting to avoid sinning willfully.
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Yes the strength of sin is the law, and those who turn back to the law are in the willful sin of unbelief. The law is not of faith.

Those in legalism are in willful sin.

WILLFUL SIN!
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
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Mitspa said:
Yes the strength of sin is the law, and those who turn back to the law are in the willful sin of unbelief. The law is not of faith.
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Seems you would have us believe that turning from obeying the Law is righteousness. The man after God's own heart disagrees with you...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.


Those in legalism are in willful sin.
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No, those who transgress the law willfully are in willful sin.

WILLFUL SIN!
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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No, that is not what that scripture says, it says that sin is the transgression of the Law. It says that those who believe that obedience does the justification have fallen from grace.

We are justified by Christ's blood, the debt that is required because we have sinned, transgressed the Law...
 
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Seems some here don't believe this scripture...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You might want to keep this in mind while you encourage folks to ignore the Law.
 
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john832 said:
Seems you would have us believe that turning from obeying the Law is righteousness. The man after God's own heart disagrees with you...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

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The man after God's own heart also said:

Do not bring your servant into judgment,
for no one living is righteous before you Psalms 143:2

He also said:

He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities.” Psalms 103:10



But David did not rely on obeying the law to attain Heaven, he trusted in something else:

I trust in God’s unfailing love for ever and ever Psalms 52:8


It seems some folk believe God is harsher under the new covenant than he was under the old one
 
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The work of salvation is 100% Jesus from beginning to end.

Anything that is you trying to meet the goal or help God get you there is legalism and a denial of Jesus blood and life.
 
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