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Its just that since the same GOD that spoke in the old testament is the same GOD that spoke in the new testament and thats why IMO a legalist believes they should keep the law in the old testament and not understanding why the 10 commandments(GODs perfect standard) given by Moses in the old testament was given.The ten were were given before
JESUS came to earth in the flesh so then in the old testament you would have to keep those commandments without any help and the children of israel couldn't keep the ten because of the weakness of the flesh and only able to purify the flesh but not the spirit and GOD is to be worshiped in spirit and truth.
Only JESUS could keep the ten and sin was punished on the cross in the body of JESUS satisfying a holy GOD and grace was given to any one that believes in the WORD of GOD,so then when GOD looks at us he sees the blood of JESUS.
So then its all JESUS or all you.
JESUS came to earth in the flesh so then in the old testament you would have to keep those commandments without any help and the children of israel couldn't keep the ten because of the weakness of the flesh and only able to purify the flesh but not the spirit and GOD is to be worshiped in spirit and truth.
Only JESUS could keep the ten and sin was punished on the cross in the body of JESUS satisfying a holy GOD and grace was given to any one that believes in the WORD of GOD,so then when GOD looks at us he sees the blood of JESUS.
So then its all JESUS or all you.
M
That's exactly what Hebrews 10 is saying ....WILLFUL SIN is turning from grace back to the law....(the strength of sin)
WILLFUL SIN!
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
WILLFUL SIN!
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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Brother, you returned the favor tenfold. I needed a kick in the pants and you delivered. I work with someone who is challenging everyone in my office and I know I haven't been Christlike in my heart regarding this colleague. Tomorrow, by God's grace, I will be afforded another day of life and I will have a new outlook, new heart and spirit, new Christlike love for this person. Game on!
Thank you and God bless you!
Thank you and God bless you!
T
Mitspa does fine twisting his own words. I am completely free from the law of sin and death, becuse the spirit of life in Christ Jesus freed me...I add nothing to the redemptive work Jesus did for me...I take it by God's grace and through my faith and nothing else...
My whole debate against mitspa is that he he is preaching the Law and SIN are the same and they are not....he also claims the Holy Spirit is not needed for believers and states that the devil and evil spirits are not real, just figment of imagination of the fleshly mind...clearly false teachings and doctrine...
As for you, you have admitted to being a TULIP believing Calvinist, so it is no wonder you are in lock step with mitspa...
My whole debate against mitspa is that he he is preaching the Law and SIN are the same and they are not....he also claims the Holy Spirit is not needed for believers and states that the devil and evil spirits are not real, just figment of imagination of the fleshly mind...clearly false teachings and doctrine...
As for you, you have admitted to being a TULIP believing Calvinist, so it is no wonder you are in lock step with mitspa...
Elijah19 said this much better than I could...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106105-legalism-doesnt-help-2.html#post1852564
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106105-legalism-doesnt-help-2.html#post1852564
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Honestly this last post is a great testimony to what the gospel really looks like, because when they start charging you with the charges they made against Paul...you know your doctrine is getting nearer to the truth in a way that does not compromise to please the self-righteous and the religious dead.
M
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
I think I do...and I know the strength of sin is the law.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
I think I do...and I know the strength of sin is the law.
K
I believe works do not earn salvation, but works do go hand and hand with salvation.
I have a challenge for those who believe having control over sins is not a part of a born again believers life and will, can, and always sin everyday, to go within the bible and find all the scriptures that say, "self control."
Then take and count all the one's that speak of abstaining, putting off, and refrain from sins and put them together. You will find that their are many of them, as almost half the NT is devoted to this issue with sin in a believers life.
I have a challenge for those who believe having control over sins is not a part of a born again believers life and will, can, and always sin everyday, to go within the bible and find all the scriptures that say, "self control."
Then take and count all the one's that speak of abstaining, putting off, and refrain from sins and put them together. You will find that their are many of them, as almost half the NT is devoted to this issue with sin in a believers life.
M
I think this passage explains it best...
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Our good works come from who God has made us, they therefore come from God and His Spirit.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Our good works come from who God has made us, they therefore come from God and His Spirit.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
But Paul also stresses how sin is to be overcome in the believers life. You can have no confidence in the flesh (yourself) You only have one righteousness the whole of your Christian life-faith. You cannot earn your way to Heaven by being good enough. You are not under the law but under grace. Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness etc. If you don't preach it all you can only harm people, not help them.
They may be under the false impression it is what they must do, and not what is done in them by the spirit who sanctifies them as they trust in Christ
They may be under the false impression it is what they must do, and not what is done in them by the spirit who sanctifies them as they trust in Christ
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A true born again believer in Christ is not earning anything by trying to be good.
They try to be good out of love for God, and obedience to the Lord and His guidance through the Holy Spirit to show and help us walk in the proper manner. Even thinking that you have to try to be a way is not the way of the Lord, because you would not have to try as it should come naturally. The Holy Spirit that is in us can not sin because it is of the Lord, so with Him working in and through us to where we obey Him instead of self how can it be reasonably to say we will continue to sin everyday. That would mean you are denying the Holy Spirit everyday, as the purpose for Him sent to us was not to just seal us. He was sent to guide and help us to lead us to righteousness unto salvation, not to keep us walking in lewdness.
The bible makes it very clear that a true born again believers outer actions will show a true faith.
If ones actions do not reflect the fruits of the Spirit which Paul clearly gives in Galatians 5 then they are not born again walking in a newness of life (Spirit).
Romans 7 Paul shows how he was when he first heard the word, and Romans 8 shows his complete conversion into a saved mature born again believer into the faith. We can easily see this because in 7 he calls himself carnal, but in 8 he shows he could not stay carnal minded as that leads to death and not eternal life.