Hyper-grace is simply a label the seminarians came up with for a branch of the a very old movement that those like E.W. Bullinger started in the late 1800's. They called the ideas he put forth as Hyper-dispensationalism, and that's actually where the doctrines of the Hyper-grace theology originated.
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Lauren is right about the origins of this term "hyper-grace" and the reason why some use that label now to malign others and it is in reality God's true grace which is shown in Christ's love for us.
( personally I see God's boundless, abundant grace as "hyper" or "super" or "unfathomable" but I also realize some use it in a derogatory way to malign those that view some scripture differently then others do )
Here are some quotes from JGIG who has researched the origins of this "hyper-grace" label.
"A main instigator in applying the Hyper-Grace label to Grace-embracing believers is Dr. Michael Brown. Understand that Dr. Brown is a respected theologian, and many take what he says quite seriously, seeing him as a credible source sounding a valid alarm – “Christians are seeing Grace as a license to sin!”,“Hyper-Grace teachings are leading to ‘grace horror stories!’” and the hyperbolic like.
You can do a search with Dr. Brown’s name and ‘Hyper-Grace’ and get a number of video teachings and interviews that he’s done on the subject, as well as an assortment of articles regarding the Hyper-Grace label/concept. Note the ‘tabloidesque’ flavor to his interviews with Sid Roth, and the unbridled discussion about how this ‘hyper-grace’ can (and in their opinion does) lead to the loss of salvation."
Here is another one from this thread:
"To a person, I can confidently say that each one who has come out swinging hard against so-called 'Hyper-Grace' cannot accurately articulate what the Grace position actually is.
This includes the theologian Dr. Michael Brown, the one who coined the term, 'Hyper-Grace', with whom I've conversed online 3 or 4 times. When the misrepresentations that he was promulgating online were pointed out to him, using quotes from his book and then presented with what 'Hyper Gracers' actually teach, he suddenly became very busy and could not/would not discuss the issues further.
CONSISTENTLY we see statements given as facts about Grace that we do not believe nor do we teach. "
Here is the link for her full explanation:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-deeper-look-hyper-stuff-16.html#post2723706
Dr. Brown is a noted Armenian so he will view scripture through the lens of "losing your salvation" and there are those that believe in Christ's complete salvation based on His work and thus view some scriptures differently then an Armenian would
( personally I see God's boundless, abundant grace as "hyper" or "super" or "unfathomable" but I also realize some use it in a derogatory way to malign those that view some scripture differently then others do )
Here are some quotes from JGIG who has researched the origins of this "hyper-grace" label.
"A main instigator in applying the Hyper-Grace label to Grace-embracing believers is Dr. Michael Brown. Understand that Dr. Brown is a respected theologian, and many take what he says quite seriously, seeing him as a credible source sounding a valid alarm – “Christians are seeing Grace as a license to sin!”,“Hyper-Grace teachings are leading to ‘grace horror stories!’” and the hyperbolic like.
You can do a search with Dr. Brown’s name and ‘Hyper-Grace’ and get a number of video teachings and interviews that he’s done on the subject, as well as an assortment of articles regarding the Hyper-Grace label/concept. Note the ‘tabloidesque’ flavor to his interviews with Sid Roth, and the unbridled discussion about how this ‘hyper-grace’ can (and in their opinion does) lead to the loss of salvation."
Here is another one from this thread:
"To a person, I can confidently say that each one who has come out swinging hard against so-called 'Hyper-Grace' cannot accurately articulate what the Grace position actually is.
This includes the theologian Dr. Michael Brown, the one who coined the term, 'Hyper-Grace', with whom I've conversed online 3 or 4 times. When the misrepresentations that he was promulgating online were pointed out to him, using quotes from his book and then presented with what 'Hyper Gracers' actually teach, he suddenly became very busy and could not/would not discuss the issues further.
CONSISTENTLY we see statements given as facts about Grace that we do not believe nor do we teach. "
Here is the link for her full explanation:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-deeper-look-hyper-stuff-16.html#post2723706
Dr. Brown is a noted Armenian so he will view scripture through the lens of "losing your salvation" and there are those that believe in Christ's complete salvation based on His work and thus view some scriptures differently then an Armenian would
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You were going so well yesterday. I "liked" many of your posts. Today, you are going wrong again. There is one thing you can't see and that one thing gets you going wrong again.
Here is the one thing: They do not say, as you suppose, that we can never walk in victory over sin. They say we cannot do so by our own effort. It is the work of the Holy Spirit in us.
Here is an example. God said to Abraham that He would give Abraham a child. And this child was to receive all of the promises of God. This would be Gods' chosen child - the one that God brought to birth. But they tried to birth their own child by their own working, so that this child would be the one to receive all of the blessings and promises. But God would not allow it. Only the child HE brought would be the one to receive all of the blessings.
He didn't want their help. He wanted them to believe His promise and wait for Him to accomplish what He said He would.
Here is the one thing: They do not say, as you suppose, that we can never walk in victory over sin. They say we cannot do so by our own effort. It is the work of the Holy Spirit in us.
Here is an example. God said to Abraham that He would give Abraham a child. And this child was to receive all of the promises of God. This would be Gods' chosen child - the one that God brought to birth. But they tried to birth their own child by their own working, so that this child would be the one to receive all of the blessings and promises. But God would not allow it. Only the child HE brought would be the one to receive all of the blessings.
He didn't want their help. He wanted them to believe His promise and wait for Him to accomplish what He said He would.
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Here is an excerpt from my post to bikerchaz:
I started this op with a view to a different discussion then has been had regarding grace and the unfortunate addition of the word hyper in front.
Broken cisterns that hold no water. If we are broken, if we cannot hold the life-giving water of the Holy Spirit, then what do we have to offer?
I suggest bickering, slander, opposition to the truth, lies, backbiting, misunderstandings, and every other vice of the human soul without God and His grace.
In short, we have nothing to offer.
We need an oasis of GRACE in this world. This world is on fire and we are all feeling the heat and the impossible task of containing evil.
Turning to God and allowing Him to peel back the layers of whatever separates us from Him is the only hope any of us have.
that is the reason for this thread and why I started it
each attack that seems to come after a positive reflection or insight, as provided by myself or others, is a sad statement on the desire for personal justification at the expense of anyone else
I am afraid the reality of what is discussed has not gone past the heads of many who post. the heart has not been touched and the anger that expresses itself in self-righteous judgement of others is not an expression of any sort of love or consideration I would expect to come from someone who claims they understand the grace that is offered by God
I started this op with a view to a different discussion then has been had regarding grace and the unfortunate addition of the word hyper in front.
Broken cisterns that hold no water. If we are broken, if we cannot hold the life-giving water of the Holy Spirit, then what do we have to offer?
I suggest bickering, slander, opposition to the truth, lies, backbiting, misunderstandings, and every other vice of the human soul without God and His grace.
In short, we have nothing to offer.
We need an oasis of GRACE in this world. This world is on fire and we are all feeling the heat and the impossible task of containing evil.
Turning to God and allowing Him to peel back the layers of whatever separates us from Him is the only hope any of us have.
that is the reason for this thread and why I started it
each attack that seems to come after a positive reflection or insight, as provided by myself or others, is a sad statement on the desire for personal justification at the expense of anyone else
I am afraid the reality of what is discussed has not gone past the heads of many who post. the heart has not been touched and the anger that expresses itself in self-righteous judgement of others is not an expression of any sort of love or consideration I would expect to come from someone who claims they understand the grace that is offered by God
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did you miss where jens went on Dr Brown's site and left ugly and disparaging remarks about believers here?
apparently, he does not find this board sufficient for all the slander that he has in his heart and now has to go elsewhere to be able to express it all
check out JGIG's post a couple of pages back...you will find the link and can read what he said yourself
Here is the link below in blue. This shows that this person has no idea what some people here in CC believe about God's boundless grace and what they are "really saying".
This is highly unfortunate but this is what we are dealing with concerning this subject. It will be a major blessing when this mis-representing gets stopped so that we can move on to talk about the beauties of our Lord and what He has already done for us.
Let's stop this "hyper-grace" labeling that is done in such a way to malign others and let's use it to describe the boundless, abundance of our loving Father's wondrous grace towards us that are in Christ.
https://askdrbrown.org/library/dr-paul-ellis-underscores-errors-hyper-grace#comment-672905
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well yeah
I mean I would much rather hold hands and just sing and share God's love
but that ain't the nature of the beast we are dealing with
I didn't supply the link...but fine that you did....I mean, it's not like it's a secret...I just wish these ramblings of his would stop
Christians seem to have forgotten how to build each other up in Christ and having done so, look for the bad instead of the good
forgot I Corinthians 13...that's long gone
I mean I would much rather hold hands and just sing and share God's love
but that ain't the nature of the beast we are dealing with
I didn't supply the link...but fine that you did....I mean, it's not like it's a secret...I just wish these ramblings of his would stop
Christians seem to have forgotten how to build each other up in Christ and having done so, look for the bad instead of the good
forgot I Corinthians 13...that's long gone
The interesting thing is that all of JGIG's comments were taken off the comment section at the bottom of the article and only one was left on there.
Perhaps some are trying to keep the "hyper-grace" derogatory label in effect that Lauren has addressed in the OP?
Things that make us want to go....
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I see peter growing in understanding. I see his mind changing on thoughts and attitudes from when I first met him in December. I went to that website and saw it was posted over a month ago and...I didn't read it. I want to know what peter thinks today.
I have seen peter go from insisting that anger and resentment in our heart is not murder, to now understanding that it is. I have seen improvement in his understanding. Just because he isn't perfect in understanding doesn't mean he isn't learning through the Spirit. None of us have perfect understanding. But at first, he argued that anger and resentment in his heart wasn't murder. Now he sees it is, according to God.
I think if you compared his posts from December with his posts now, you would see this.
I have seen peter go from insisting that anger and resentment in our heart is not murder, to now understanding that it is. I have seen improvement in his understanding. Just because he isn't perfect in understanding doesn't mean he isn't learning through the Spirit. None of us have perfect understanding. But at first, he argued that anger and resentment in his heart wasn't murder. Now he sees it is, according to God.
I think if you compared his posts from December with his posts now, you would see this.
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yeah...I dunno
I ran my own blog for my photo biz and learned alot about wp and so on
you don't want to scrub things like that...for one thing, google does not like it...linkbacks that are genuine is what you want and plenty of comments to show traffic and authenticity
of course if you aim to hit only a very narrow audience and want to more or less do their thinking for them, then...hey...scrub away
its' just not a genuine representation of an actual blog or q & a section
I ran my own blog for my photo biz and learned alot about wp and so on
you don't want to scrub things like that...for one thing, google does not like it...linkbacks that are genuine is what you want and plenty of comments to show traffic and authenticity
of course if you aim to hit only a very narrow audience and want to more or less do their thinking for them, then...hey...scrub away
its' just not a genuine representation of an actual blog or q & a section
Well, it's not peters website. He didn't do the scrubbing. The man who runs the website didn't want any arguments against his view. I think that's not good. For all I know, peter sees that it's not good too, to not let opposing views be aired for men to make up their own minds. But my point is, Peter didn't do it.
oh good
he's not a hacker then
you cannot scrub or in any way alter a site you do not have inner access to...
however, you can leave disparaging comments about this site on another site
and that was the point that was made
why would you defend that?
he's not a hacker then
you cannot scrub or in any way alter a site you do not have inner access to...
however, you can leave disparaging comments about this site on another site
and that was the point that was made
why would you defend that?
I didn't read it.
That sounds like something the mods need to take care of.