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One of my bigger regrets in life was when I started going to drug rehab, I thought they meant I had to stop ALL drugs. Nicotine is a drug. Alas, it was okay to smoke cigs back in those day. If I had it to do over again, I would have quit that too. I was miserable already quitting the drugs. How much more miserable was I if I quit the cigs too? Dumb! Dumb, dumb, dumb! Should have been more miserable then, because it's miserable now. Easier to change when I was 21 than it is now at 59.
Jesus did use the same word desire/lust a the end of that last supper. He never sinned, so it can't be on the negative side of lust. BUT, who wouldn't have a big desire to hang out with their buds rather then go face the treachery and then the cross? I honestly don't know how to contend with that. Is rather hanging back sin?
Jesus did use the same word desire/lust a the end of that last supper. He never sinned, so it can't be on the negative side of lust. BUT, who wouldn't have a big desire to hang out with their buds rather then go face the treachery and then the cross? I honestly don't know how to contend with that. Is rather hanging back sin?
It could not have been a sin, since He always did the will of the Father. Surely the time had not yet come, since He needed to be crucified as the Passover Lamb, as close to Passover as possible...
Lynn, it is never too late to quit! If you still smoke now, please know that God can and will remove that addiction from you if you are ready and willing to give it to Him. Give it to Him and let it go.
Three years ago when I was still a smoker (I had also quit cigarettes- for seven years- shortly after I first got clean and sober in 1994, but started up again in 2001) I made a conscious decision to try to quit by myself... partly because I was not willing to give them to God, knowing that if I did so I had to let them go. Duh! That should have been the biggest clue to me right there that I was not ready or willing, but no, I soldiered on, cutting down and using the patch and smoking for another year and a half, while my breathing became more and more laboured. I finally realized what a lie it was for me to say I was trying to quit. I was not trying to quit! I was trying to find the magic number I could keep smoking that was not going to kill me. It was at that moment, seeing the insanity of my thinking, that I surrendered them to God. And you know, part of the fear of quitting always had been knowing how weak I am, how bad the cravings can get, and how often in the past I had caved to those cravings and started smoking again. The miracle for me was, that when I gave the addiction and the cigarettes to God, He took the whole thing away! I experienced no cravings whatsoever when I quit smoking last year in June.
Lynn, it is never too late to quit! If you still smoke now, please know that God can and will remove that addiction from you if you are ready and willing to give it to Him. Give it to Him and let it go.
Three years ago when I was still a smoker (I had also quit cigarettes- for seven years- shortly after I first got clean and sober in 1994, but started up again in 2001) I made a conscious decision to try to quit by myself... partly because I was not willing to give them to God, knowing that if I did so I had to let them go. Duh! That should have been the biggest clue to me right there that I was not ready or willing, but no, I soldiered on, cutting down and using the patch and smoking for another year and a half, while my breathing became more and more laboured. I finally realized what a lie it was for me to say I was trying to quit. I was not trying to quit! I was trying to find the magic number I could keep smoking that was not going to kill me. It was at that moment, seeing the insanity of my thinking, that I surrendered them to God. And you know, part of the fear of quitting always had been knowing how weak I am, how bad the cravings can get, and how often in the past I had caved to those cravings and started smoking again. The miracle for me was, that when I gave the addiction and the cigarettes to God, He took the whole thing away! I experienced no cravings whatsoever when I quit smoking last year in June.
Epithumia and eros are both Greek. I would think if they were the same thing, they'd be the same word. lol
But what kind of pie and can I skip the coffee and ice cream with it?
But what kind of pie and can I skip the coffee and ice cream with it?
I cannot hardly tolerate the unbundling of the coffee, pie and ice cream. Package deal you go all in or stay on the porch. Most any kind of fruit pie is well suited to ice cream and coffee. Mince meat is a seasonal treat along with pumpkin pies and pecan pie is acceptable when done right.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Seven years? Wow! That's the same number of years hubby stopped too after he was released from them by God. (No cravings. No desire to pummel someone. No looking around for THE pack.)
Ugh. I'm doing what you did -- cutting back, playing games, can't quite talk myself into the "all the way" thing. I'd rather be in a room full of bugs than quit. I'd rather not be such a freaking slave to the frigging thing either. Scares me something silly when I even use that four-letter word -- "quit." I'm going to have to pray for God to give me the courage to ask him for the whole ten yards.... umm, the touchdown. All the way. (Mouth just went dry writing that. That scared. lol)
As for Jesus' desire. Yeah, I really do get he didn't sin. I just don't know how you do that -- know you had a nice lamb dinner with some lovely dandelion salad and flat bread with your buddies, and then you have to go out to get brought to the cross. I have trouble imagining God gives me the ability to quit smoking. No idea how anyone goes through that without even thinking a sin.
Ugh. I'm doing what you did -- cutting back, playing games, can't quite talk myself into the "all the way" thing. I'd rather be in a room full of bugs than quit. I'd rather not be such a freaking slave to the frigging thing either. Scares me something silly when I even use that four-letter word -- "quit." I'm going to have to pray for God to give me the courage to ask him for the whole ten yards.... umm, the touchdown. All the way. (Mouth just went dry writing that. That scared. lol)
As for Jesus' desire. Yeah, I really do get he didn't sin. I just don't know how you do that -- know you had a nice lamb dinner with some lovely dandelion salad and flat bread with your buddies, and then you have to go out to get brought to the cross. I have trouble imagining God gives me the ability to quit smoking. No idea how anyone goes through that without even thinking a sin.
I want to say this because I believe it to be true for me, and because I know it to be true for me, I know it can be true for you as well. God does not give you the ability to stop smoking. You give God your smoking. Give God your smoking, and your cigarettes, and the addiction, and He will remove it from you. All you have to do is trust in Him, and He will do it for you. I know you know this intellectually. It is not God's will for us to smoke. I know that as long as I am not smoking, at least in that small thing, I am doing the will of God. The NA literature tells us that when we are beaten, we become willing. That is always what it has taken for me. Beaten right down to the very end of myself. Over and over and over and over and over and over again. Gosh what a stubborn person I am!
Much love to you Lynn. I will pray for you.
Much love to you Lynn. I will pray for you.
Lust is equivalent to, "I want what I want no matter what!"
Jesus didn't have that. Jesus never lusted. He never lusted for His will over the Father's will.
On the other hand, our flesh does nothing but lust. Our carnal mind and our flesh wants what it wants all the time. But through the grace of Jesus Christ we have been delivered from sinful flesh and can put on the mind of Christ and desire God's will because we know God is always right.
Again, JESUS NEVER LUSTED. NOPE!!!
Jesus didn't have that. Jesus never lusted. He never lusted for His will over the Father's will.
On the other hand, our flesh does nothing but lust. Our carnal mind and our flesh wants what it wants all the time. But through the grace of Jesus Christ we have been delivered from sinful flesh and can put on the mind of Christ and desire God's will because we know God is always right.
Again, JESUS NEVER LUSTED. NOPE!!!
turn this stone to bread<---lust of the flesh
If you are who you say you are<---pride of life
See all of the kingdoms<---lust of the eyes
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The struggle is real. We all have things that are difficult for us. Alcohol is mine. I used to smoke but Christ freed me from them. I used to drink - a lot, but Christ freed me from that too.
He can free you from yours too, when you decide to put that burden on Him and stop trying to carry it all yourself. That's the hardest part, learning to give all your problems to Him.
Heard a preacher, years ago, talking about people going to the altar. This is true, plain and simple.
They'll go to the altar and lay their burdens on that thing, open their heart and soul up to God, beg for assistance, then get up from the altar, pick those problems back up, and carry them back to their pew with them.
Sometimes when we do that we don't even realize it.
He can free you from yours too, when you decide to put that burden on Him and stop trying to carry it all yourself. That's the hardest part, learning to give all your problems to Him.
Heard a preacher, years ago, talking about people going to the altar. This is true, plain and simple.
They'll go to the altar and lay their burdens on that thing, open their heart and soul up to God, beg for assistance, then get up from the altar, pick those problems back up, and carry them back to their pew with them.
Sometimes when we do that we don't even realize it.
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You appear to be a wordly person. Jesus never lusted, and don't post things like that Neither did Paul, Phil is right, you bad mouth everyone here even me, and I put you on ignore, but your wordly attitude should be branded here. Your telling people it's ok to go out and lust it's good, to rape someone then murder them, the dicktionary is not the word of God. If you read the bible you wouldn't talk trash to people and put other's here down. The bible specifically says, Lust is of the devil, the lust of the flesh, world and the lust of the eye, just because the dicktionary says passionate, it dosn't mean love, people could be passioanate to murder someone. You posted it also says covet, the word of God, says do not covet, I don't know why your not banned, your a mouthy person with a unclean spirit. To talk about llust as if it is good. Use another word, Lust is evil, it is the opposite from God's love, no matter how your slicing and dicing it you sound like satan twisting things in the garden to eve, and people come on here reading your garbage and your entertainment, is something you should be doing somewhere else. Threads are humurous, but your twisting the word of God, I will report your posts, and don't think I'm going to read your stuff because it's garbage.
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It is sacreligious to even say Jesus the Christ the son of God lusted. That's a lie, No where in the bible did it or does it say that, for the RECORD HERE so newbies and new comers will know the truth, Jesus never lusted, maybe Paul before he repented, but Lust is evil, it could turn to murder. David lusted after Bathseba, a married women, and he killed her husband, and then their child died, and death was always in his house, other family members died of their lusts further. Murder came out of lust, this is Christain Chat by the way. NOt loose morals, and using Our Lord and Savior as a piece of trash, like you made him look. He is The Son of God.