Marijuana?

[Nuhen]

My problem is that someone who claims to be studying under a rabbi ought to know the most important scripture in Judaism. If he is studying under a man who failed to teach him this first than that rabbi is not as intellegent as being claimed.

Look, the problem here is this:

1) First, you equated a lack of an immediate response to me having to look the verse up. Bad, bad assumption. I was just trying to get you to tell me what the relevance of your question was, because I hate to take threads off of the topics the person who started the thread intended.

2) Second, you equate my desire to not take the Name of G-d lightly with me not knowing the verse, thus my substituting it for "Adonai". That's not the case. I just refuse to use the Name in most cases, because that is the same as taking it in vain. However, YOU were in the wrong, because you tried to say the verse actually said Y'hovah - nevermind the fact that Y'hovah is not an actual word and is just the pronunciation of a word that CANNOT be pronounced, and SHOULD NOT.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I find it very hard to believe that 1 in 5 are caused by marijuana.

I quoted my sources. Check them out. This one was from the Correctional Education Association.

 

[lil-rush]

I'm talking about translated words pharmakiea is translated into sorcery.

I'm talking about the words drug and pharmacy. I am saying that while they may come from a word that means "sorcery" that does not mean they also mean sorcery.

 

[HumbleSaint]

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Yeah. At this point, I'm going to stop responding to you. It's nothing against you, just that if you're going to stop discussing this issue with logic and facts and instead resort to...whatever you call that, I can't continue to respond to you.

Ya I understand its hard to disagree with me when I have shown solid proof of how wrong it is. So ya I'm glad I could help you see the truth.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Look, the problem here is this:

1) First, you equated a lack of an immediate response to me having to look the verse up. Bad, bad assumption. I was just trying to get you to tell me what the relevance of your question was, because I hate to take threads off of the topics the person who started the thread intended.

2) Second, you equate my desire to not take the Name of G-d lightly with me not knowing the verse, thus my substituting it for "Adonai". That's not the case. I just refuse to use the Name in most cases, because that is the same as taking it in vain. However, YOU were in the wrong, because you tried to say the verse actually said Y'hovah - nevermind the fact that Y'hovah is not an actual word and is just the pronunciation of a word that CANNOT be pronounced, and SHOULD NOT.

You said--and restated that Adonai was not a divine title. I asked you about the Sch'ma because Adonai is used as a substitute for Y'hovah, thus it is a divine title. I immediately became aware of the fact that you did not know and you confirmed it by insisting that the name Y'hovah was not in the Sch'ma. If you were to ask me what John 3:16 said, I would quote it without pausing and ask you the relevance. You are the one who brought the rabbi that you are studying under into this thread and you know that I told you that if you did so, I would confront you.

 

[HumbleSaint]

I'm talking about the words drug and pharmacy. I am saying that while they may come from a word that means "sorcery" that does not mean they also mean sorcery.

.......for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Revelations 18:23

I completely understand what you are trying to say but it does say in this verse above, that in the last days all nations will be deceived by sorcery. So it just gives a person something to think about.

 

[lil-rush]

I quoted my sources. Check them out. This one was from the Correctional Education Association.

Police don't record drug-related accidents by specific drugs. It is either alcohol or drug related.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I'm talking about the words drug and pharmacy. I am saying that while they may come from a word that means "sorcery" that does not mean they also mean sorcery.

What he is saying is that at the time, the word for sorcery (pharmekeia) included the use of psychotrophic drugs.

 

[Nuhen]

Logic and facts? You just said that the American Medical Association was lying but you think his response was inflamitory?

I said it was a possibility, and I never said his response was inflammatory.

 

[lil-rush]

You said--and restated that Adonai was not a divine title. I asked you about the Sch'ma because Adonai is used as a substitute for Y'hovah, thus it is a divine title. I immediately became aware of the fact that you did not know and you confirmed it by insisting that the name Y'hovah was not in the Sch'ma. If you were to ask me what John 3:16 said, I would quote it without pausing and ask you the relevance. You are the one who brought the rabbi that you are studying under into this thread and you know that I told you that if you did so, I would confront you.

If I ask what the relevance of quoting John 3:16 is right now, does this mean I'm not a true Christian?

Let us take note: Nuhen is not you. Your brain is different than Nuhen's brain. The way he responds to questions is not going to be the same as the way you respond to questions. Nuhen cares about relevance, and if he does not see the relevance he is wary of answering the question. It most likely appeared like you were trying to trick him into saying something incriminating, so he asked the relevance.

In a court of law when a lawyer says "Objection, Your Honor. Relevance?" The judge does not respond with "You uneducated lawyer. You want to know the relevance of your opponents line of questioning? I will not allow it."

 

[lil-rush]

It took him about 30 minutes to get it out yesterday.

What does this prove? Did you see him look up the passage?

 

[lil-rush]

What he is saying is that at the time, the word for sorcery (pharmekeia) included the use of psychotrophic drugs.

Alrighty then.

Taking their ignorance into account, let us figure out why they might consider psychotrophic drugs to be something that needs to be considered sorcery.

1) They did not realize the hallucinations they saw while influenced by the drugs were simply hallucinations.
2) This would lead them to believe it was some sort of sorcery that was giving them these hallucinations.
3) This would cause they to say psychotrophic drugs led them to be masters of sorcery.

We know now that hallucinations are nothing more than hallucinations. In any case, as has been stated numerous times now, marijuana does not always alter one's state of mind.

 

[Nuhen]

You said--and restated that Adonai was not a divine title. I asked you about the Sch'ma because Adonai is used as a substitute for Y'hovah, thus it is a divine title.

Adonai was used to refer to a divine being, yes, but that does not make it a divine title, because it just isn't. If it was a divine title, it would mean something that would give the being it is used on divinity, but it DOES NOT.

Are we on the same page now?

I immediately became aware of the fact that you did not know and you confirmed it by insisting that the name Y'hovah was not in the Sch'ma.

Oi, this again? Y'hovah ISN'T in the Shema, because Y'hovah IS NOT A WORD. It is the attempt at pronouncing a name that CANNOT BE PRONOUNCED.

Had you said the four letter Name was in the Shema, I'd have agreed with you, because it is. But Y'hovah is not, because Y'hovah is the attempt at pronouncing a word that cannot be pronounced.

If you were to ask me what John 3:16 said, I would quote it without pausing and ask you the relevance.

That's fine, but here's the thing - I'm not you.

 

[HumbleSaint]

Alrighty then.

Taking their ignorance into account, let us figure out why they might consider psychotrophic drugs to be something that needs to be considered sorcery.

1) They did not realize the hallucinations they saw while influenced by the drugs were simply hallucinations.
2) This would lead them to believe it was some sort of sorcery that was giving them these hallucinations.
3) This would cause they to say psychotrophic drugs led them to be masters of sorcery.

We know now that hallucinations are nothing more than hallucinations. In any case, as has been stated numerous times now, marijuana does not always alter one's state of mind.

That is what an evolutionist who dosent believe in spiritual entities would believe but I believe what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12 were it says that are battle is not against flesh and blood, but against pricipalities and spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[lil-rush]

That is what an evolutionist who dosent believe in spiritual entities would believe but I believe what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12 were it says that are battle is not against flesh and blood, but against pricipalities and spiritual wickedness in high places.

I'm confused. Are you saying my views are similar to an evolutionist who doesn't believe in spiritual entities, or are you saying I am an evolutionist who doesn't believe in spiritual entities?

 

[HumbleSaint]

I'm confused. Are you saying my views are similar to an evolutionist who doesn't believe in spiritual entities, or are you saying I am an evolutionist who doesn't believe in spiritual entities?

I don't know I'm confused too. You seem to be a little ignorant of Satans devices. I'm just trying to figure out if you believe there is a devil. If he's not in drugs which is one of the number one most destructive things on the earth, than were would he be.

Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 2 Corinthians 2:11

 

[lil-rush]

I don't know I'm confused too. You seem to be a little ignorant of Satans devices. I'm just trying to figure out if you believe there is a devil. If he's not in drugs which is one of the number one most destructive things on the earth, than were would he be.

Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 2 Corinthians 2:11

I believe in Satan. I believe in demon-possession. I even believe Christians can be possessed by demons. I believe that if people use drugs, Satan could use this as a way to possess someone, but this does not mean every person who uses drugs will be possessed by demons. It depends on what else they are doing at the time.

If someone slips some marijuana into their brownies, I don't think that person is going to get attacked by demons. If someone uses marijuana and is sitting there dabbling in voodoo or whatever, sure that person will most probably get attacked by demons.

Basically, I am saying that I don't think marijuana use causes demon possession.

 

[Nuhen]

Here's a heavily sourced article I wrote for my school paper (I'm a staff reporter):

[FONT=&quot]I’m sure you’ve heard plenty of arguments on why marijuana is a horrible drug that is harmful to society. A close examination of the facts, however, reveals that marijuana is NOT actually so bad. If utilized correctly, it can help the economy, help people in pain or people with hardcore diseases like cancer, and can even do away with depression. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]According to [FONT=&quot]www.drugwarfacts.org[/FONT][FONT=&quot], approximately 847,863 people were arrested for possession of marijuana in 2008. Only 594,911 people were arrested for violent crimes, however. Every year thousands of people are put into prison for long amounts of time for possession and use of marijuana because it is a “dangerous”, illegal drug. However, not a single person who was high on marijuana killed people like someone drunk. Not a single person who was high on marijuana drove in a car and got in a wreck because they were high on Mary Jane. On the other hand, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, alcohol has killed 22,073 people in 2006 alone. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In his book “The Science of Marijuana”, Dr. Leslie L. Iversen wrote, “Tetrahydrocannabinol (marijuana) is a very safe drug. Laboratory animals (rats, mice, dogs, monkeys) can tolerate doses of up to 1,000 mg/kg (milligrams per kilogram). This would be equivalent to a 70 kg person swallowing 70 grams of the drug -- about 5,000 times more than is required to produce a high. Despite the widespread illicit use of cannabis there are very few if any instances of people dying from an overdose. In Britain, official government statistics listed five deaths from cannabis in the period 1993-1995 but on closer examination these proved to have been deaths due to inhalation of vomit that could not be directly attributed to cannabis (House of Lords Report, 1998).”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As far as the health effects of marijuana, the only actual negative health factor is the fact that marijuana MIGHT cause lung cancer. The chances of you getting lung cancer even from smoking a lot of marijuana daily are still far lower than the chances of you getting lung cancer or worse from tobacco, cigarettes, etc. Common misconceptions people have about the health effects of marijuana include the idea that marijuana kills brain cells, which was based on studies that were vague and inconclusive. In the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Dr. Igor Grant addressed the issue of marijuana damaging brain cells.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] “In conclusion, our meta-analysis of studies that have attempted to address the question of longer term neurocognitive disturbance in moderate and heavy cannabis users has failed to demonstrate a substantial, systematic, and detrimental effect of cannabis use on neuropsychological performance. It was surprising to find such few and small effects given that most of the potential biases inherent in our analyses actually increased the likelihood of finding a cannabis effect." [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In “easy speak”, Dr. Grant said that studies that attempted to find out if marijuana smoking led to the killing of brain cells “failed to demonstrate substantial, systematic, and detrimental” effects.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Did you know that opium was made from the juice of the poppy? It’s California’s state flower, and a very beautiful flower at that. But it is used to make a drug. So why don’t we make it illegal too? Better yet, why don’t we make alcohol and tobacco illegal too, since both of them are FAR more dangerous than marijuana?[/FONT]

 

[HumbleSaint]

I believe in Satan. I believe in demon-possession. I even believe Christians can be possessed by demons. I believe that if people use drugs, Satan could use this as a way to possess someone, but this does not mean every person who uses drugs will be possessed by demons. It depends on what else they are doing at the time.

If someone slips some marijuana into their brownies, I don't think that person is going to get attacked by demons. If someone uses marijuana and is sitting there dabbling in voodoo or whatever, sure that person will most probably get attacked by demons.

Basically, I am saying that I don't think marijuana use causes demon possession.

A Christian cannot be demon possessed. I heard a man that used to be in whichcraft talk on this subject. He said they can be oppressed or greatly influenced by a demon but they cannot be possessed by one. How could the Holy Spirit and The devil both live inside a person.

 

[lil-rush]

A Christian cannot be demon possessed. I heard a man that used to be in whichcraft talk on this subject. He said they can be oppressed or greatly influenced by a demon but they cannot be possessed by one. How could the Holy Spirit and The devil both live inside a person.

Sounds like a discussion for a different thread, yeah?