Marijuana?

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HumbleSaint

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lil-rush said:
Sounds like a discussion for a different thread, yeah?
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Ya we could get off on all kinds of rabbit trails, I just felt lead to throw that in there
 
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lil-rush

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HumbleSaint said:
Ya we could get off on all kinds of rabbit trails, I just felt lead to throw that in there
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Quite alright. I'm sure it could make a good discussion in another thread.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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lil-rush said:
If I ask what the relevance of quoting John 3:16 is right now, does this mean I'm not a true Christian?

Let us take note: Nuhen is not you. Your brain is different than Nuhen's brain. The way he responds to questions is not going to be the same as the way you respond to questions. Nuhen cares about relevance, and if he does not see the relevance he is wary of answering the question. It most likely appeared like you were trying to trick him into saying something incriminating, so he asked the relevance.

In a court of law when a lawyer says "Objection, Your Honor. Relevance?" The judge does not respond with "You uneducated lawyer. You want to know the relevance of your opponents line of questioning? I will not allow it."
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I accept that. What about him insisting that the word Y'hovah was not in the Sch'ma?
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
I accept that. What about him insisting that the word Y'hovah was not in the Sch'ma?
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It's not. Again, "Y'hovah" is not a word. It is the attempt at pronouncing a word that literally CANNOT be pronounced.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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lil-rush said:
Alrighty then.

Taking their ignorance into account, let us figure out why they might consider psychotrophic drugs to be something that needs to be considered sorcery.

1) They did not realize the hallucinations they saw while influenced by the drugs were simply hallucinations.
2) This would lead them to believe it was some sort of sorcery that was giving them these hallucinations.
3) This would cause they to say psychotrophic drugs led them to be masters of sorcery.

We know now that hallucinations are nothing more than hallucinations. In any case, as has been stated numerous times now, marijuana does not always alter one's state of mind.
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By them, do you mean the writers of the New Testament? They are the ones who used the word.
 
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lil-rush

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charisenexcelcis said:
By them, do you mean the writers of the New Testament? They are the ones who used the word.
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Well, vague post on my part. Sorry. I was referring to the ones who used it and the ones who wrote about it.

They (the writers) would look at the ones who used it and say it was sorcery, because back then it would look like sorcery.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Oi, this again? Y'hovah ISN'T in the Shema, because Y'hovah IS NOT A WORD. It is the attempt at pronouncing a name that CANNOT BE PRONOUNCED.

Had you said the four letter Name was in the Shema, I'd have agreed with you, because it is. But Y'hovah is not, because Y'hovah is the attempt at pronouncing a word that cannot be pronounced.
I think that this statement says it all. I'm going to back off now.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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lil-rush said:
Well, vague post on my part. Sorry. I was referring to the ones who used it and the ones who wrote about it.

They (the writers) would look at the ones who used it and say it was sorcery, because back then it would look like sorcery.
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Not sure what you are saying here, but this is an issue of interpretation, not translation. The use of the word pharmekeia does not require the interpretation to include drug use.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Oi, this again? Y'hovah ISN'T in the Shema, because Y'hovah IS NOT A WORD. It is the attempt at pronouncing a name that CANNOT BE PRONOUNCED.

Had you said the four letter Name was in the Shema, I'd have agreed with you, because it is. But Y'hovah is not, because Y'hovah is the attempt at pronouncing a word that cannot be pronounced.
I think that this statement says it all. I'm going to back off now.
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I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but thank you. I was beginning to find this whole thing a bit childish.
 
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lil-rush

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Okay, you know what? I am completely lost on what is trying to be proven by this whole sorcery/drug/marijuana/greek word thing.

I feel like there are a million and one different tangents that have been gone off on, and I'm not sure which ones I am supposed to be agreeing with and which I should be refuting, because I have absolutely no clue what y'all are trying to prove.

Maybe... start over and explain where you're coming from?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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lil-rush said:
Okay, you know what? I am completely lost on what is trying to be proven by this whole sorcery/drug/marijuana/greek word thing.

I feel like there are a million and one different tangents that have been gone off on, and I'm not sure which ones I am supposed to be agreeing with and which I should be refuting, because I have absolutely no clue what y'all are trying to prove.

Maybe... start over and explain where you're coming from?
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One Biblical argument against marijuana (as a psychotrophic drug) is that the Bible uses the word pharmakeia/pharmakeus/pharmakos, translated sorcery/sorcerors, as a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:20) and an abomination (Rev 9:21, 18:23, 21:3, and 22:15). Since the definition of pharmakeia includes the use of psycholtrophic drugs and such drugs were commonly used in pagan worship, it follows that the NT disapproves of the use of MJ. Most Greek scholars would agree, but some do not. I also agree, but recognise that the word does not require this interpretation.
 
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yoej_ogart

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Cako53 said:
Alright, I realize that this topic is very controversial. I would like to know everyone's opinions on if marijuana is good verses bad. Now I am not promoting marijuana in anyway, I am just wondering about opinions. Now I am already prepared that people will pop out verses talking about how we are not supposed to to harm the templ of God, so I would like to make a comment in the future on that. Marijuana has actually been proven that in small amounts not taken often is not bad for your health, and is infact no worse than small amount of alcohol EX. a glass of wine. I understand that smoking marijuana can turn into a habit, and in this way is bad for you. So I also understand this side of the fight, but keep in mind that there are lots of things that are legal that are bad for you when they turn into a habit. So, I would like to know what everyone on CC think of Marijuana. Remember to keep this civilised, and I am sure that I will see lots of people against it. God Bless you guys.
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hahaha very true! It isn't bad for your health but isssss very stupid too lol.. but you know what's really crazy? that having a gun in your house is illegal but having marijuana in your house..isnt!! haha typical America!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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yoej_ogart said:
hahaha very true! It isn't bad for your health but isssss very stupid too lol.. but you know what's really crazy? that having a gun in your house is illegal but having marijuana in your house..isnt!! haha typical America!
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well, I'd tather be in a house with marijuana than one with a gun....
but yea, as moarijuana is illegal it IS kinda strange

I'd reather ban guns though
 
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lil-rush

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yoej_ogart said:
hahaha very true! It isn't bad for your health but isssss very stupid too lol.. but you know what's really crazy? that having a gun in your house is illegal but having marijuana in your house..isnt!! haha typical America!
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Did you reverse that statement? Because plenty of people I know have guns in their house legally(including my dad and brother), and marijuana is the illegal thing here.
 
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I would like to apologize, I seem to have gotten a little heated while talking on this subject. If I offended anyone I am sorry
 
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yoej_ogart

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wwjd_kilden said:
well, I'd tather be in a house with marijuana than one with a gun....
but yea, as moarijuana is illegal it IS kinda strange

I'd reather ban guns though
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Me too! People now a days are being harmed more by guns than marijuana..
 
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yoej_ogart

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lil-rush said:
Did you reverse that statement? Because plenty of people I know have guns in their house legally(including my dad and brother), and marijuana is the illegal thing here.
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No no I have friends too that have guns legally. But in certain states it's illegal for marijuana and legal for guns, but in others it's opposite ha..
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I did not reverse it, what I said was:

I (ME, personally) would WAAAAAAAAAY rather be in a house with marijuana in it than a gun. Legal or not... I desest guns
so that was a personal opinion
 
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greatkraw

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wwjd_kilden said:
well, I'd tather be in a house with marijuana than one with a gun....
but yea, as moarijuana is illegal it IS kinda strange

I'd reather ban guns though
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Well at least the US constitution guarantees the right to arm bears:D

(or wear short sleeves anyhow)
 
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DABEARS85

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greatkraw said:
Well at least the US constitution guarantees the right to arm bears:D

(or wear short sleeves anyhow)
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There is a reason we are guaranteed the right to bear arms.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson
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"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington




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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin


"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy


"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
-- Abraham Lincoln


"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-- George Mason


"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi


I could keep going, but you get the idea. Marijuana might be a better way to enslave everyone than taking away guns, though. Watch it happen, and see how much more evil society becomes.


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