Martin Luther Invented the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" Doctrine
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As a little aside note.
Let us assume I am an active homosexual. I believe in God, have repented of my sin
and live with my partner. I have believed on Christ for salvation.
1 Tim 1.8-17 seems to exclude me from the people of God.
So in the eyes of future sin forgiven, am I saved because I believe though I am living
in sin continually and refuse to even recognise it as sin, or am I deluding myself.
Not to my way of thinking I am defining Gods law and rebelling against who he is
so how can I claim to love and have faith in Him. Surely I am merely self serving,
taking all the benefits of the gospel while not actually participating.
Now you could extend this sinful behaviour to any sin you want, the principle is
still the same. How can you distinguish between sin due to desire of the flesh that
will be overcome and just downright unbelief and it just makes me feel good.
Let us assume I am an active homosexual. I believe in God, have repented of my sin
and live with my partner. I have believed on Christ for salvation.
1 Tim 1.8-17 seems to exclude me from the people of God.
So in the eyes of future sin forgiven, am I saved because I believe though I am living
in sin continually and refuse to even recognise it as sin, or am I deluding myself.
Not to my way of thinking I am defining Gods law and rebelling against who he is
so how can I claim to love and have faith in Him. Surely I am merely self serving,
taking all the benefits of the gospel while not actually participating.
Now you could extend this sinful behaviour to any sin you want, the principle is
still the same. How can you distinguish between sin due to desire of the flesh that
will be overcome and just downright unbelief and it just makes me feel good.
I suppose all sin is an act of unbelief.
But does one sin cause you to be an unbeliever? Or just a believer who has fallen to a temporary temptation? Can a christian who has fallen to this temporary temptation still call himself a christian? Or is 1 sin where the line is drawn? Or is 2? Or is it 70x7?
Isn't it faith that distinguishes whether a person is a believer? Even faith the size of a mustard seed? Isn't it faith that causes a person to call themselves Christian even in light of the "facts" and accusations?
But does one sin cause you to be an unbeliever? Or just a believer who has fallen to a temporary temptation? Can a christian who has fallen to this temporary temptation still call himself a christian? Or is 1 sin where the line is drawn? Or is 2? Or is it 70x7?
Isn't it faith that distinguishes whether a person is a believer? Even faith the size of a mustard seed? Isn't it faith that causes a person to call themselves Christian even in light of the "facts" and accusations?
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'new creatures still sin and will....but new creatures will obtain empowering grace not to SIN as much in their walk'.... - ....................................................................
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(LOTS of ROOM HERE) but a great subject... this will make a great Study for any of us,
even us 'old-timers' who have studied for decades....there's always something BRAND-NEW
to learn or that makes a Light-bulb go off, no matter the years of study and research
... -
whether here or at home...this should be a theme that many of us
can relate to at some point in our lives, whether 'before, after, or both...
Learning-Curves that take and lead us forward and into Jesus' Loving hands -
well, does the 'world' have something better to offer???
it seems so in these days, in so many ways -
is He First in our lives that He has blessed us with???...
this is a 'yes-or-no' question...
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th said,
'new creatures still sin and will....but new creatures will obtain empowering grace not to SIN as much in their walk'.... - ....................................................................
=======================================================================
(LOTS of ROOM HERE) but a great subject... this will make a great Study for any of us,
even us 'old-timers' who have studied for decades....there's always something BRAND-NEW
to learn or that makes a Light-bulb go off, no matter the years of study and research
... -whether here or at home...this should be a theme that many of us
can relate to at some point in our lives, whether 'before, after, or both...
Learning-Curves that take and lead us forward and into Jesus' Loving hands -
well, does the 'world' have something better to offer???
it seems so in these days, in so many ways -
is He First in our lives that He has blessed us with???...
this is a 'yes-or-no' question...
...
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Maybe you should examine the whole council of God before you answer of a matter..
Jeremiah 7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.... God speaks to a unrepentant nation that continues in sin> Jeremiah 11:14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.....prayer will not help sinners, only repentance can help them....That's why the apostle John said not to pray for such....God only hears the prayers of the humble active sinners in the vile sins of the flesh are not humble, but rather prideful. However, God does hear the prayers of sinners who forsake their ways (turn and live) and come clean with Him in repentance...
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law,(continues in sin ) even his prayer shall be abomination.
Proverbs 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked (sinners): but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.
Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright(the righteous) is his delight.
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I am not required to be as righteous as God, only to the measure and them increase therein..To whomsoever much is given much is required......
Dear readers: Let not deceitful men who are wise in their own conceits which suppress the truth in unrighteousness deceive you...The perfect as Jesus mantra is their starw-man that they raise when they know their words/false doctrines are easily seen through..Christian perfection is to be morally upright and mature like Job, nothing more nothing less...Job NEVER engaged in the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from inheriting the kingdom. Job loved righteousness and eschewed evil in his thoughts, words, and deeds...
Dear readers: Let not deceitful men who are wise in their own conceits which suppress the truth in unrighteousness deceive you...The perfect as Jesus mantra is their starw-man that they raise when they know their words/false doctrines are easily seen through..Christian perfection is to be morally upright and mature like Job, nothing more nothing less...Job NEVER engaged in the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from inheriting the kingdom. Job loved righteousness and eschewed evil in his thoughts, words, and deeds...
The word of God says that we are all blotted out of His book - because - who has not sinned? We are all doomed!
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.
Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth. What Christ has done on the cross and resurrection in His finished work is the ultimate truth in scripture and it trumps all others.
It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has done from start to finish. As you have received Christ - so walk in Him. Col. 2:6
We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
All context in scripture starts and ends with the revelation of the risen Christ Himself. All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of Christ in order to get the context needed when reading all scripture.
Christ alone is our righteousness!
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.
Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth. What Christ has done on the cross and resurrection in His finished work is the ultimate truth in scripture and it trumps all others.
It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has done from start to finish. As you have received Christ - so walk in Him. Col. 2:6
We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
All context in scripture starts and ends with the revelation of the risen Christ Himself. All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of Christ in order to get the context needed when reading all scripture.
Christ alone is our righteousness!
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This illustrates the problem of pointing at sin as individual acts in isolation rather
than a breaking of faith with Jesus. Like a kid who goes off in a strop. But sometimes
these anger trantrums are permanent and not just temporary.
So I take this as sinful acts are a warning of something deeper in ones heart, which
needs to be resolved or faith problems and the real relationship will die.
So Peter was shocked at denying Jesus so quickly, but he realised it was his presumption
and not Christs rejection that mattered, and there was a way back, because Jesus still
loved him and it just proved in Peters weakness, Jesus still stood by him. So would he
now honour the King and humble himself?
than a breaking of faith with Jesus. Like a kid who goes off in a strop. But sometimes
these anger trantrums are permanent and not just temporary.
So I take this as sinful acts are a warning of something deeper in ones heart, which
needs to be resolved or faith problems and the real relationship will die.
So Peter was shocked at denying Jesus so quickly, but he realised it was his presumption
and not Christs rejection that mattered, and there was a way back, because Jesus still
loved him and it just proved in Peters weakness, Jesus still stood by him. So would he
now honour the King and humble himself?
Maybe you should realize it's the whole counsel of God? You say this often, but always get it wrong. It's not like God serves on some council.
And by the way you're taking what John said in 1 John about sin unto death and attempting to apply it to any believer who sins.
You're a theological train wreck. But please, carry on, tell us all how we are such vile sinners, and of your sinless self-righteousness.
And by the way you're taking what John said in 1 John about sin unto death and attempting to apply it to any believer who sins.
You're a theological train wreck. But please, carry on, tell us all how we are such vile sinners, and of your sinless self-righteousness.
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They believe so much in strength in numbers it even reflects in the enormous 24/7 multitude of posts some 20,000, some 40,000, they are relentless hoping that shear numbers can change the truth...a post a minute in hopes of blocking others from the truth....however to an on looker with a discerning eye they only look foolish
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No one is going to be judged righteosu because of what Jesus did or His righteousness, ye will all be judged by your works done in faith ...righteousness is an individual thing, and so is sin, neither can be transferred or proxied...again; Jesus is our pattern of righteousness, our Holy example to follow after....
Not by works of righteousness which we have done.
Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
As we have received Christ Jesus - so we are to walk in Him and it is all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone. Co. 2:6
Romans 4:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
As we have received Christ Jesus - so we are to walk in Him and it is all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone. Co. 2:6
Romans 4:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
There is an interesting parallel in scripture between two ideas.
A prophet sent by God, told not to eat or drink and a parable of a servant
forgiven a big debt.
The prophet was met by another prophet who lied to him that God had changed
his mind and it was now ok to eat and drink. As a result the prophet was killed.
The servant who was forgiven did not forgive a fellow servant of much less a debt,
so was taken back and the debt reinstated.
Sometime you only know the heart of a man, when you give them the opportunity
to exercise it.
Imputed righteousness will actually tell you nothing, just line up no hopers ready to
fail at the first gift of responsibility. But then maybe they expect eternity to be about
being a free loader ...
A prophet sent by God, told not to eat or drink and a parable of a servant
forgiven a big debt.
The prophet was met by another prophet who lied to him that God had changed
his mind and it was now ok to eat and drink. As a result the prophet was killed.
The servant who was forgiven did not forgive a fellow servant of much less a debt,
so was taken back and the debt reinstated.
Sometime you only know the heart of a man, when you give them the opportunity
to exercise it.
Imputed righteousness will actually tell you nothing, just line up no hopers ready to
fail at the first gift of responsibility. But then maybe they expect eternity to be about
being a free loader ...
I've done that, you've misused 1 John's "sin unto death" and have applied it to any believer who sins. That's not the meaning of the text. Why not properly use Scripture instead of twisting it to fit your works gospel, and to slam believers who will and do sin? By the way, you also sin.
One more time, you're a theological train wreck, and, it's the whole counsel of God, not the whole council of God. Get your facts straight and put an end to wresting Scripture. And learn how to use the quote feature.
One more time, you're a theological train wreck, and, it's the whole counsel of God, not the whole council of God. Get your facts straight and put an end to wresting Scripture. And learn how to use the quote feature.
Post #253 is the very epitome of works-righteousness and is the signature trademark call of a works-salvationists mindset and belief system.
There are fruits of righteousness but they stem from already having Christ's righteousness in us because we are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. Eph. 4:24
Those who practice the law of righteousness - which are those that depend on their own righteousness by what they do or don't do - shall have to live by that righteousness - this is not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
Paul then goes on in Romans 10 to describe what the righteousness of faith says.
There is a works-righteousness ( D.I.Y self-righteousness which are filthy rags in God's eyes ) which post #253 is a prime example of and there is faith-righteousness which is based on Christ's righteousness.
There are fruits of righteousness but they stem from already having Christ's righteousness in us because we are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. Eph. 4:24
Those who practice the law of righteousness - which are those that depend on their own righteousness by what they do or don't do - shall have to live by that righteousness - this is not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
Paul then goes on in Romans 10 to describe what the righteousness of faith says.
There is a works-righteousness ( D.I.Y self-righteousness which are filthy rags in God's eyes ) which post #253 is a prime example of and there is faith-righteousness which is based on Christ's righteousness.
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Come let us reason together, Isaiah 1-18..
Man is endowed with the natural ability to reason, and that reason would be to employ the next natural ability "faith"...Hence forth sinners can come to God in a natural order seeking mercy and sincerely desiring to comply with the conditions of the Covenant set forth by God through repentance and faith proven by deeds. They can reason with the Logos of God and see the criminality of their sin and make a clean departure from such, turning from all known wickedness and be reconciled through a season of godly sorrow. For God's name is merciful, gracious, long suffering, being abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but this in no wise will clear the unrepentant and guilty who continue in sin, Exodus 34..
Man is endowed with the natural ability to reason, and that reason would be to employ the next natural ability "faith"...Hence forth sinners can come to God in a natural order seeking mercy and sincerely desiring to comply with the conditions of the Covenant set forth by God through repentance and faith proven by deeds. They can reason with the Logos of God and see the criminality of their sin and make a clean departure from such, turning from all known wickedness and be reconciled through a season of godly sorrow. For God's name is merciful, gracious, long suffering, being abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but this in no wise will clear the unrepentant and guilty who continue in sin, Exodus 34..