Martin Luther Invented the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" Doctrine

[willybob]

Nope, only in your false gospel. Jesus is our righteousness, Jeremiah 23:6.

Your teaching is nothing short of neo-judaizing.

HE is the righteous one who can save mankind, but He is not your individual righteousness, that is determined by what you do, sin unto death or righteousness unto life...He that doth righteousness is righteous and he that sinneth is of the devil; said the apostle John...and for anybody to tell you different John said they are trying to deceive others...Are you trying to deceive people?

 

[preacher4truth]

Come let us reason together, Isaiah 1-18..

Man is endowed with the natural ability to reason, and that reason would be to employ the next natural ability "faith"...Hence forth sinners can come to God in a natural order

More nonsense that denies truth. No man is able, meaning none has the ability to come to God. John 6:44. Jesus stated "No man can come to the Father..." Unable, inability, cannot.

But you say man can.

Wonder who is correct, you or God's Christ?

 

[willybob]

More nonsense that denies truth. No man is able, meaning none has the ability to come to God. John 6:44. Jesus stated "No man can come to the Father..." Unable, inability, cannot.

But you say man can.

Wonder who is correct, you or God's Christ?

Yes, Im sure it seems like nonsense to unrepentant sinners who through lust despise obedience and moral uprightness..

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes, Im sure it seems like nonsense to unrepentant sinners who through lust despise obedience and moral uprightness..

Again, who is correct, you or God's Christ?

Does it make you feel better to compare yourself to lost folks, while you make lost folks into believers, and pretend that others on forums are living in sin, and you aren't? By the way, you too are a sinner, present tense. IOW you sin.

One more time: Christ says man is unable, you say man is able. Who is correct, you or God's Christ?

 

[willybob]

More nonsense that denies truth. No man is able, meaning none has the ability to come to God. John 6:44. Jesus stated "No man can come to the Father..." Unable, inability, cannot.

But you say man can.

Wonder who is correct, you or God's Christ?

Come let us reason together said God to Cain, and also to scarlet red sinners in Isiah 1-18

You interpret the scriptures though the lust of the flesh rather than seeking in humility through the Spirit of truth. Therefore you cannot understand the things of God because your flesh gets in the way..The conclusion of the matter; you must crucify the lust of the flesh in the baptism of repentance in a season of godly sorrow, otherwise you will always understand them according to your whims, which is basically the gospel in reverse....

 

[preacher4truth]

Come let us reason together

Yes, let's reason together and address your heresy, and have you come to repentance.

One more time: Christ says man is unable, you say man is able. Who is correct here, you, or God's Christ?

 

[willybob]

the self professed sinners surely do wear out the saints.....bye for today, I'm all worn out and my spirit is vexed

 

[Grace777x70]

It is a hard life to be living by our own self-righteousness.

Matthew 11:28-30The Message (MSG)
[SUP]28-30 [/SUP]“Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you’ll recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it.

Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.”

 

[preacher4truth]

the self professed sinners surely do wear out the saints.....bye for today, I'm all worn out and my spirit is vexed

Perhaps tomorrow you'll come to repentance?

 

[willybob]

Yes, let's reason together and address your heresy, and have you come to repentance.

One more time: Christ says man is unable, you say man is able. Who is correct here, you, or God's Christ?

Then God should go back and apologize to Cain???????? God said he had the ability to rule over that man of sin seeking to rise up within his members..Jesus said go and sin no more...He is the LOGOS of God. COMPLETELY LOGICAL, would He command someone to do what they are not able to? Use some common sense, God gave it to you for the purpose of seeking Him...Jesus didn't say go and sin some more, because ye are unable to do otherwise...

 

[preacher4truth]

Then

You're twisting Scripture again.


Once more, you say man is able, the Christ of God says man is not able. Who is correct, you, or God's Christ?

 

[mailmandan]

HE is the righteous one who can save mankind, but He is not your individual righteousness, that is determined by what you do, sin unto death or righteousness unto life...He that doth righteousness is righteous and he that sinneth is of the devil; said the apostle John...and for anybody to tell you different John said they are trying to deceive others...Are you trying to deceive people?

*News flash: 1 Corinthians 1:30 - But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

2 Corinthians 5:21 - For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Philippians 3:9 - and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; (children of God do not practice righteousness in order to become righteous, but BECAUSE they are righteous; just as children of the devil do not practice sin in order to become children of the devil, but BECAUSE they are children of the devil). You are putting the cart before the horse). 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

It's you who is deceived.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not required to be as righteous as God, only to the measure and them increase therein..To whomsoever much is given much is required......

Dear readers: Let not deceitful men who are wise in their own conceits which suppress the truth in unrighteousness deceive you...The perfect as Jesus mantra is their starw-man that they raise when they know their words/false doctrines are easily seen through..Christian perfection is to be morally upright and mature like Job, nothing more nothing less...Job NEVER engaged in the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from inheriting the kingdom. Job loved righteousness and eschewed evil in his thoughts, words, and deeds...

See how subtle this is..

He just excused his own sin,, God says we are required to be perfect. Sinless.. That sin causes death, But here we have a man who says he is not required to be perfect.. He just has to be good..

smh

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one is going to be judged righteosu because of what Jesus did or His righteousness, ye will all be judged by your works done in faith ...righteousness is an individual thing, and so is sin, neither can be transferred or proxied...again; Jesus is our pattern of righteousness, our Holy example to follow after....

news flash,,

Your works done in faith will not remove one sin,, let alone all the many thousands of sins you will commit in your life.

If thats all you have to offer god are your works. You will be found wanting, Because jesus will say the only thing he can say, Depart from me..

Face the fact,, your teaching a works based salvation, You think if you have more works that sin, you will get saved,, Good luck wiht this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Come let us reason together, Isaiah 1-18..

Man is endowed with the natural ability to reason, and that reason would be to employ the next natural ability "faith"...Hence forth sinners can come to God in a natural order seeking mercy and sincerely desiring to comply with the conditions of the Covenant set forth by God through repentance and faith proven by deeds. They can reason with the Logos of God and see the criminality of their sin and make a clean departure from such, turning from all known wickedness and be reconciled through a season of godly sorrow. For God's name is merciful, gracious, long suffering, being abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but this in no wise will clear the unrepentant and guilty who continue in sin, Exodus 34..

So when are you going to repent. Admit your sinfulness,, Get rid of your proud boasting of how good you think you are. and depend and rely completely on God for salvation?

Paul said in gal 3. the law is still active,, You must obey every letter Just like Isrea was required to confirm and obey,, To break even the least of the law. was paramount to being found guilty of breaking the whole law. The penalty is not works of faith in payment, the penalty is DEATH!.

You have to choices, Except Gods free gift of salvation based on HIS DEATH, or suffer YOUR OWN DEATH..

there is no other option.

 

[JaumeJ]

Martin Luther? What was David writing about in Psalm 32?

David knew mercy and grace first-hand as did all of those of faith in the Old Testament.

How could Martin Luther have invented something taught about throughout the Word, the word being Jesus........?

 

[gb9]

So when are you going to repent. Admit your sinfulness,, Get rid of your proud boasting of how good you think you are. and depend and rely completely on God for salvation?

Paul said in gal 3. the law is still active,, You must obey every letter Just like Isrea was required to confirm and obey,, To break even the least of the law. was paramount to being found guilty of breaking the whole law. The penalty is not works of faith in payment, the penalty is DEATH!.

You have to choices, Except Gods free gift of salvation based on HIS DEATH, or suffer YOUR OWN DEATH..

there is no other option.

buy this is what some churches and denominations do e.g., they go and create this third option, where there is a person- God co-op that will somehow produce this shaky salvation theory that it is kind of me, kind of God, kind of grace, kind of works, kina-sorta perfect, but sometimes a mistake....................

see how this makes a person excuse their own sin. who can see it in that mess??

 

[PeterJens]

Salvation is so we can walk with Jesus.

If everyday you do sinful things, act in a sinful way, do not know love in your heart,
have problems believing God is even real, do you know Christ, or do you have a belief
in God, but have shut Him out of your heart?

The apostles clearly state if God has come into your heart, you will show the fruits
of that experience.

My first real spiritual experience was praising God alone in my room. It was a heartfelt
lifting of praise to the King, because I loved Him and He had saved me.

So often confession of a reality spiritually brings it into effect. So you may love someone
but if you do not say it, how big is that love really.
If you say you follow Jesus, but will not talk to anyone about your faith, how big is your
faith to start with.

If you say you are a believer but have not ever spoken from your heart only your head,
you have not begun the walk. Jesus operates with our hearts, and nothing else.

I have been shocked that some know faith very well, but lock their hearts away, and
say they are desperately wicked and nothing good comes from it.

But Jesus died and rose again so your heart can become pure and clean, holy and giving
glory to God. This is a salvation issue, and what repentance is all about.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

buy this is what some churches and denominations do e.g., they go and create this third option, where there is a person- God co-op that will somehow produce this shaky salvation theory that it is kind of me, kind of God, kind of grace, kind of works, kina-sorta perfect, but sometimes a mistake....................

see how this makes a person excuse their own sin. who can see it in that mess??

I heard a teacher once say legalism and liscentiousness was really no different. The root core for both was pride. At first I was to proud to agree.. I am like no way, One preaches works, one preaches lack of works.

Then the truth hit me, and I understood..

Thge liscentiousness person in pride says no one will tell him what to do. He says a prayer thinks he is saved, and can do what he wants.

The legalist basically says the same thing,. Only in less perceptive way, the difference is, they both think they say a prayer and they are saved,, Yet the legalist thinks as long as he does not commit the pet sin, he is ok,, the rest of his or her sins do not matter.

They both have made themselves God.. The both are stuck in pride. They both have refused to repent. And yet they attack each other viciously..

Us grace people get stuck in the middle. Thge licentious call us legalists, because we confront them on their sin issues,,. The legalist calls us liscentiousness sin lovers.. Because we try to show how works will not save us, and we are all guilty ands fall short.. (Like the liscentiousness, they refuse to acknowledge their own sin is bad.. )

 

[PeterJens]

I heard a teacher once say legalism and liscentiousness was really no different. The root core for both was pride. At first I was to proud to agree.. I am like no way, One preaches works, one preaches lack of works.

Then the truth hit me, and I understood..

Thge liscentiousness person in pride says no one will tell him what to do. He says a prayer thinks he is saved, and can do what he wants.

The legalist basically says the same thing,. Only in less perceptive way, the difference is, they both think they say a prayer and they are saved,, Yet the legalist thinks as long as he does not commit the pet sin, he is ok,, the rest of his or her sins do not matter.

They both have made themselves God.. The both are stuck in pride. They both have refused to repent. And yet they attack each other viciously..

Us grace people get stuck in the middle. Thge licentious call us legalists, because we confront them on their sin issues,,. The legalist calls us liscentiousness sin lovers.. Because we try to show how works will not save us, and we are all guilty ands fall short.. (Like the liscentiousness, they refuse to acknowledge their own sin is bad.. )

The above testimony is almost right.
If you deny the law of Christ, you have no measure of sin, if you ignore your conscience
and say the Holy Spirit has no ministry in conviction of sin, you have isolated yourself.

What is worse is if sin is continuously on ones mind and condemning you, it is just saying
there is something you should resolve.

So each believer can claim from their position they are right and standing in the place
God wants them to be.

The key issue is, is ones heart open and cleansed. Everything else can look fine, because
ones real state is hidden. People can come here and believe all the best things in the world
but if their hearts are closed and wicked, it is all in vain.