Martin Luther - the founder of Protestantism: Anti-Semitic?

[7seven7]

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed
he was walking along the beach with the LORD.​

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Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand: one belonging
to him, and the other to the LORD.​

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When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.​

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He noticed that many times along the path of
his life there was only one set of footprints.​

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He also noticed that it happened at the very
lowest and saddest times in his life.​

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This really bothered him and he
questioned the LORD about it:​

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"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow
you, you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when
I needed you most you would leave me."​

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The LORD replied:​

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"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."​

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[7seven7]

newly invented doctrines would include...the authority of rome over the rest of the church...the apocrypha as authoritative scripture...celibacy of priests...veneration of relics...immaculate conception of mary...

probably you will disagree on most of those...but history shows when and how each of these doctrines originated...they are not apostolic...

by gaps in apostolic succession i mean when the sequence of apostolic succession includes people who otherwise are not even known to have actually existed outside of church tradition...people like 'pope anacletus' for example...

by failures of apostolic succession i mean when validly ordained bishops turn out to be heretics...nestorius for example...

i am not a member of any denomination but i go to a lutheran church now...

Hey just one more point on the celibacy of priests (and nuns for that matter), these couple of verses from 1 Corinthians might've had something to do with the Church's decision. Not for sure, just saying maybe. And a good reason it would've been. [h=3]1 Corinthians 7:32-34[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]32 [/SUP]But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. [SUP]34 [/SUP]There is[SUP][a][/SUP] a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

 

[tribesman]

Taken the atmosphere at the boards re this question I wasn't surprised to see this thread about this book of Luther. My take on it: What Luther writes here is in essence the sharp, and hard to digest, but, yet, truth. That's what counts. He could have used another language on some occasions, for some reason he didn't. He was a man of his time and sentiments against jews were not uncommon, it didnt pop up out of nowhere. In the romish church same thing and anabaptist leader Hubmaier is said to have been quite radical on it.

 

[BeaP31]

I really appreciate all the answers God Bless you

 

[RedTent]

I am surprised that, in this long discussion, there is little said about the legacy left by Luther in the church with his name, today. While most Lutheran Churches blend in, the Missouri Synod Lutheran certainly didn't ten years ago. Members were are not allowed to help with civic affairs that required sitting on a platform with other christians. They said this might let others think they agree with other churches and lead people to error. I wonder if that is still true. They allowed no one to take communion in their church who isn't a Missouri Synod Lutheran, as they do not consider others to be their brothers and sisters in Christ except through membership in their church. I was told that because of their long history they had learned the truth, others may have not.

 

[Tintin]

I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran but I live in Australia and we must do it differently here. We have no problems with Christians of other denominations taking Holy Communion or considering others brothers and sisters in Christ. Same, to matters of civic importance. We don't believe Lutheranism holds claim to the only Truth. We do believe that one can only come to the Father God by way of believing in Jesus Christ (the Way, the Truth and the Life).

 

[RedTent]

I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran but I live in Australia and we must do it differently here. We have no problems with Christians of other denominations taking Holy Communion or considering others brothers and sisters in Christ. Same, to matters of civic importance. We don't believe Lutheranism holds claim to the only Truth. We do believe that one can only come to the Father God by way of believing in Jesus Christ (the Way, the Truth and the Life).

I love it! No wonder you have such a wonderful smile. May I pack up our Missouri Synod and send it to you?

 

[zone]

I am surprised that, in this long discussion, there is little said about the legacy left by Luther in the church with his name, today. While most Lutheran Churches blend in, the Missouri Synod Lutheran certainly didn't ten years ago. Members were are not allowed to help with civic affairs that required sitting on a platform with other christians. They said this might let others think they agree with other churches and lead people to error. I wonder if that is still true. They allowed no one to take communion in their church who isn't a Missouri Synod Lutheran, as they do not consider others to be their brothers and sisters in Christ except through membership in their church. I was told that because of their long history they had learned the truth, others may have not.

total misrepresentation of LCMS.
please learn about it.
thx

 

[zone]

I love it! No wonder you have such a wonderful smile. May I pack up our Missouri Synod and send it to you?

why do you belong to a church whose founder you're apparently ashamed of, and a church whose doctrines and practices you don't like?

why not find a denom you like?

 

[zone]

I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran but I live in Australia and we must do it differently here. We have no problems with Christians of other denominations taking Holy Communion or considering others brothers and sisters in Christ. Same, to matters of civic importance. We don't believe Lutheranism holds claim to the only Truth. We do believe that one can only come to the Father God by way of believing in Jesus Christ (the Way, the Truth and the Life).

same here.

only thing is visitors have to talk to the pastor before communion to make sure they're not practicing axe-murderers or Scientologists or something - some ppl don't get this is for the protection of everyone, including the visitor.
maybe they never read what happens to ppl who take the Lord's Supper when they shouldn't.

members are permitted and encouraged to be politically active, do anything they feel called to - it's only the Pastor who does not. as it should be.

LCMS makes no claim to being the only church.

so much mythology around LCMS....just because they remain separate, and don't change. that's what i like abou tit.
nice straight line.

nice to hear you're LCMS Tin.
your humor gave it away anyways

 

[Wyclif]

I know that Luther has been accused a of a lot of stuff. This is what I can gather from what I know. Luther was originally very pro-Jewish. But after he started his own church he turned against the Jews. Many historians say that it was because the Jews didn't join his church. But I don't see that in any of his writings against the Jews. Also other ethnic groups didn't join his church, like the Poles, and the French, and the Russians, and the Czechs. But he never writes so negatively against them. Yet in his writings against the Jews he does quote from the Talmud and the Toledot Yeshu. He states how vehemently anti-Christian and anti-Gentile the writings of the Jews were. I believe it was a backlash against the anti-Gentilism and anti-Christianity of the Jews that prompted him to write this way. When the Talmud writes about Jesus, Jewish apologists will tell you that it's another Jesus that it's referring to. How many men called Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be the Messiah?

See this for evidence as to the way Jews feel about Gentiles and Christianity:

[FONT=&quot]http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...ing-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews-1.320235

and also
Who Was Jesus?

and also
http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/...ligion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]and also
Come and Hear ...
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[KenAllan]

Actually is was not Martin Luther who founded Protestantism, it was a group of others also. Also Protestantism existed long before the Catholic Church can into the picture.

 

[passing_through]

Thank God for Luther, the first of the Reformation Preachers, the Reformation and the King James Bible brought in the age of enlightenment, this coming after the Dark Ages that the Catholics, and their inquisitions, and their persecutions brought in.

 

[passing_through]

One night a man had a dream.​

Beautiful, but this is about Martin Luther how.

 

[Biblelogic01]

Reference please.........

I went to a Lutheran private school when I was younger, I almost got kicked out because I questioned this when I was doing research in 4th grade. I told them that Martin Luther stating this would make him unbiblical and I got expelled for a week. Soooo yeah I don't remember the exact document, but he did state that. And Lutheran private schools will teach it at high grade levels. My older brother said they taught about it when he was in 6th grade.

 

[passing_through]

I went to a Lutheran private school when I was younger, I almost got kicked out because I questioned this when I was doing research in 4th grade. I told them that Martin Luther stating this would make him unbiblical and I got expelled for a week. Soooo yeah I don't remember the exact document, but he did state that. And Lutheran private schools will teach it at high grade levels. My older brother said they taught about it when he was in 6th grade.

Thanks for your history and experience.