mary just happened to be the virgin whom the holy spirit placed the son in. there was no joining of his spirit and mary's spirit until after his resurrection. mary was in the upper room waiting to receive the filling of the holy spirit along with the apostles. when they came and told him that his father and brother and mother were outside, jesus pointed to those who were listening to him and said that these were his father, and brother, and mother. mary was blessed because she was called to carry the son of god, but she is never called the mother of god in the scriptures because of the pagan religions from the tower of babel which worshiped the mother of god.
Mary, the mother of God
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What is the necessity of calling her anything but Mary? This is an unhealthy focus that even Jesus himself didn't give to His own Mother. This is goddess worship, raising the female body to something divine. If those words: "Mother of God" never came out of Jesus' mouth, you can bet they'll never come out of mine!
And I disagree with your logic that either she is the Mother of God or Jesus is not divine. See my post above where I make clear the role of her body in Jesus' birth and the role of the Holy Spirit.
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And I disagree with your logic that either she is the Mother of God or Jesus is not divine. See my post above where I make clear the role of her body in Jesus' birth and the role of the Holy Spirit.
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I don't believe this one bit 
G-d does not "just do" things. Everything He does is for a reason, including choosing Mary of all virgins to bear His son.
G-d does not "just do" things. Everything He does is for a reason, including choosing Mary of all virgins to bear His son.
I don't believe this one bit G-d does not "just do" things. Everything He does is for a reason, including choosing Mary of all virgins to bear His son.
G-d does not "just do" things. Everything He does is for a reason, including choosing Mary of all virgins to bear His son.
Blasphemy, clearly contradicted by the scripture as we know Jesus had brothers and sisters.
She gave birth to Jesus who was conceived by the Holy Spirit who gave the Divine nature to Jesus, not mary. (I'm not even going to capitalize her name anymore as she isn't important enough to do so).
Then mary's Mother must have been conceived without Original Sin also, and her Mother before her and so on, back to Eve.
Not in the Bible.
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She gave birth to Jesus who was conceived by the Holy Spirit who gave the Divine nature to Jesus, not mary. (I'm not even going to capitalize her name anymore as she isn't important enough to do so).
Then mary's Mother must have been conceived without Original Sin also, and her Mother before her and so on, back to Eve.
Not in the Bible.
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Matt 1:
24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
He "knew her not" until she had brought for her "firstborn" son.
What the scripture is saying is that he didn't have sex with her until after she had Jesus. He knew her not till she had brought forth. That indicates clearly that he did eventually "know her."
Firstborn is mentioned here with importance. The Bible always gives the blessing to the first born. Not only that but it also indicates to me that there were more children after. The Bible also says that Jesus had brothers and sisters. Many scholars believe that James was a physical brother to Jesus.
I don't understand how people can read that Jesus had brothers and sisters and think that mary was a perpetual virgin.
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24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
He "knew her not" until she had brought for her "firstborn" son.
What the scripture is saying is that he didn't have sex with her until after she had Jesus. He knew her not till she had brought forth. That indicates clearly that he did eventually "know her."
Firstborn is mentioned here with importance. The Bible always gives the blessing to the first born. Not only that but it also indicates to me that there were more children after. The Bible also says that Jesus had brothers and sisters. Many scholars believe that James was a physical brother to Jesus.
I don't understand how people can read that Jesus had brothers and sisters and think that mary was a perpetual virgin.
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Read the Scripture closely. I haven't time to explain as I'm on my way out the door, but Fr. Saunders covers it nicely, with the appropriate verses cited. It's worth taking a look at, as the verses Fr. Saunders shares are the ones I'd of shared anyway . http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/brosis.htm
On this I agree. However, you see it as contradictory to Mary's title as Theotokos or Mother of God. I, however, don't because I don't believe Jesus was two natures in one form. It isn't like the Incarnation of Our Lord is a cheese and tomato sandwich, with the cheese as His human nature and the tomato as His divine nature, and you can pick them apart. Rather, He is the entire tomato.
Lol, apologies for the food references, I'm starving.
Really? Really? You're going to tell Jesus who He can and cannot save and when? Jesus saved Mary at her birth, decades before Calvary, just as He saves us now, centuries after Calvary.
Many things that Christians believe, of any denomination or persuasion, are not specifically explained in the Bible. That is why we have theology, because the Scriptures can at times be cryptic, contradictory on the surface, etc. The doctrine of the Assumption is based on the historic teaching of the Church down the centuries, the scholastic arguments in favor of it, and interpretations of biblical sources.
. http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/brosis.htmOn this I agree. However, you see it as contradictory to Mary's title as Theotokos or Mother of God. I, however, don't because I don't believe Jesus was two natures in one form. It isn't like the Incarnation of Our Lord is a cheese and tomato sandwich, with the cheese as His human nature and the tomato as His divine nature, and you can pick them apart. Rather, He is the entire tomato.
Lol, apologies for the food references, I'm starving.
Really? Really? You're going to tell Jesus who He can and cannot save and when? Jesus saved Mary at her birth, decades before Calvary, just as He saves us now, centuries after Calvary.
Many things that Christians believe, of any denomination or persuasion, are not specifically explained in the Bible. That is why we have theology, because the Scriptures can at times be cryptic, contradictory on the surface, etc. The doctrine of the Assumption is based on the historic teaching of the Church down the centuries, the scholastic arguments in favor of it, and interpretations of biblical sources.
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God= father
Jesus = son
Together they are in unity residing in heaven.
Jesus referred to his father as greater than he was when he was upon the earth. He also made many references about going to see his father, praying to his father, etc. Jesus is our savior. He is the example for us to live in and under. He is salvation.
Are understanding is relative to our human existence and it maybe hard for us to understand this oneness like that Jesus spoke of, like a genuine christian marriage- complete unity.
When Jesus refers to his father and him being one, it is when he returned to be with his father and their united relationship.
Mary was a human.
Mary was not supernatural or like God/Jesus/Angels-spirit.
We are to put our eyes on Jesus. Not Idolatry
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