Mary, the mother of God
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Maybe not, I'll have to check.
Was God in heaven while Jesus was on earth? Yes, indeed He was. Jesus is only one revelation of who God is.
None taken. This has nothing to do with pride. I am putting mary in her place. I will also put paul there, and peter and john also. Even john wesley as well. These people are men and women used by God. They deserve no special glory.
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Was God in heaven while Jesus was on earth? Yes, indeed He was. Jesus is only one revelation of who God is.
None taken. This has nothing to do with pride. I am putting mary in her place. I will also put paul there, and peter and john also. Even john wesley as well. These people are men and women used by God. They deserve no special glory.
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Guys, I'm pretty sure browncoat can in no way understand the Holy Spirit until he receives Jesus as his lord & savior. He believes in Jesus but I dont know that he's received him. Correct me if I'm wrong Browncoat, have you asked Jesus to be your savior to be your redeemer and requested him into your heart & life? I truly do hope if you havent you will and suddenly these spiritual things that seem to perplex you will have a whole new meaning once you experience the filling of the Holy Spirit... truly nothing compares to this. Bless your heart as you seek the truth and receive Jesus as your Lord.
So Jesus was on earth praying to Himself? The Holy Spirit descended upon Him even though God is one? What is this Holy Spirit that descended upon Him?
I am uncertain as to why people choose to believe against the majority when so many great saints have affected the beliefs of the majority. Jesus tells us that we know them by their fruits, so when we see great Christians like Wesley and Booth go converting tens of thousands of souls, we ought to listen to what they have to say. This, instead of listening to little known men who have done no great works.
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I am uncertain as to why people choose to believe against the majority when so many great saints have affected the beliefs of the majority. Jesus tells us that we know them by their fruits, so when we see great Christians like Wesley and Booth go converting tens of thousands of souls, we ought to listen to what they have to say. This, instead of listening to little known men who have done no great works.
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Anybody see my point, yet? Catholics are going to defend Mary until they die. It doesnt matter to them what evidence or Scripture you put before them: in the end, Mary gets the glory.
Just as in divorce cases of the past when it was almost impossible for fathers to get physical custody of their kids, God gets the backseat on this one.
The prophets worshipped God and prophesied of the coming Messiah. People in the first century followed Jesus, not Mary. Many died because of their devotion of Jesus, not Mary.
Paul- Peter, James and John wrote of Jesus and how He is the promised Messiah and how to, in His name, live a Godly life.
John was left on an island for life.
Peter was crucified.
John the Baptist was beheaded.
All because of Jesus.
Yet, they'll STILL respond with "but Mary...." and who they want her to be.
Just as in divorce cases of the past when it was almost impossible for fathers to get physical custody of their kids, God gets the backseat on this one.
The prophets worshipped God and prophesied of the coming Messiah. People in the first century followed Jesus, not Mary. Many died because of their devotion of Jesus, not Mary.
Paul- Peter, James and John wrote of Jesus and how He is the promised Messiah and how to, in His name, live a Godly life.
John was left on an island for life.
Peter was crucified.
John the Baptist was beheaded.
All because of Jesus.
Yet, they'll STILL respond with "but Mary...." and who they want her to be.
I rarely find in a thread that a post is made that discloses the perfect conclusion to the matter debated. This response is one of those rare gems.
This simply, is a viewpoint that is so absolutely senseless to even bother debating. The scriptural evidence, as well as the historical experience of real true Bible believing and doing Christians, is vast and overwhelmingly weighted against Marianism.
Marianism ought forever to be reserved - where it already is - with other perpetually rejected doctrines such as Universalism, Purgatory and Annihilationism. These are called "Minority Christian Doctrines" for a reason; particularly due to the quantity of verses in opposition.
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This simply, is a viewpoint that is so absolutely senseless to even bother debating. The scriptural evidence, as well as the historical experience of real true Bible believing and doing Christians, is vast and overwhelmingly weighted against Marianism.
Marianism ought forever to be reserved - where it already is - with other perpetually rejected doctrines such as Universalism, Purgatory and Annihilationism. These are called "Minority Christian Doctrines" for a reason; particularly due to the quantity of verses in opposition.
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Whether you believe in the trinity or not, if the trinity is true, then my example makes perfect sense and there is a basis for comparison between Jesus and me.
Jesus was a human; I am a human. Jesus had God living inside of him(part of the trinity); I have the holy spirit living inside of me (part of the trinity). No, I am not saying I am the same as Jesus. There are fundamental differences between Jesus and me, which I am aware of, but that does not mean I am not allowed to make elementary comparisons between the two in order to make a point.
My argument throughout this entire thread has been that man cannot create the spirit. Man cannot give birth to the spirit. Man only gives birth to man. The Spirit gives birth to spirits.
Just like my mom is not the mother of the holy spirit living in me, Mary was not the mother of the God living inside of Jesus. In order to be a mom, you either have to adopt the child or give birth to the child. Mary did not adopt God, and Mary did not give birth to God, so Mary is not the mother of God.
Jesus was a human; I am a human. Jesus had God living inside of him(part of the trinity); I have the holy spirit living inside of me (part of the trinity). No, I am not saying I am the same as Jesus. There are fundamental differences between Jesus and me, which I am aware of, but that does not mean I am not allowed to make elementary comparisons between the two in order to make a point.
My argument throughout this entire thread has been that man cannot create the spirit. Man cannot give birth to the spirit. Man only gives birth to man. The Spirit gives birth to spirits.
Just like my mom is not the mother of the holy spirit living in me, Mary was not the mother of the God living inside of Jesus. In order to be a mom, you either have to adopt the child or give birth to the child. Mary did not adopt God, and Mary did not give birth to God, so Mary is not the mother of God.
I think the fact that the history of women is not detailed in the NT is more of an indication of 1st century misogyny, rather than the lack of female involvement.
Also, you are relying on extra-biblical sources to describe the fate of John and Peter - why is it ok to rely on these sources for John and Peter, but not Mary?
And, again why does it matter? Mary is only a big deal to people outside the Catholic Church.
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Also, you are relying on extra-biblical sources to describe the fate of John and Peter - why is it ok to rely on these sources for John and Peter, but not Mary?
And, again why does it matter? Mary is only a big deal to people outside the Catholic Church.
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