Mary, the mother of God
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I'd like to add this (don't shoot me if you disagree, just my opinion):
Jesus came to our world. In our world we are made of flesh and blood. Mary was mother of Jesus as a human. Jesus was killed. Yet He raised from the death. That prooves that Jesus is much more than only a human of flesh and blood. He is the Son of God (spiritual). He is much more than we can imagine. Mary is never called mother of Jesus or God in that way. She was His mother as a human, when He came to earth in service of mankind. (Isn't that wonderful?
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Maybe Mary is a saint. Who knows? Who decides? God does. Not my problem
Jesus came to our world. In our world we are made of flesh and blood. Mary was mother of Jesus as a human. Jesus was killed. Yet He raised from the death. That prooves that Jesus is much more than only a human of flesh and blood. He is the Son of God (spiritual). He is much more than we can imagine. Mary is never called mother of Jesus or God in that way. She was His mother as a human, when He came to earth in service of mankind. (Isn't that wonderful?
)Maybe Mary is a saint. Who knows? Who decides? God does. Not my problem
Mary is a saint just like you and I.
The difficulty with the romanists are that you only pray to the saints deemed to be saints by the romanist church i.e, by fallible men.
Now they will give you a loaded statment saying that we are one in Christ, which is very true,,but, then they will say to you that we ask our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for each other, this is also true. but nowhere in scripture do the God's people ask for intercession by those who have died. there is a hige distinction between the two ideas.
Now here is where the subtle heresy comes into play. on that basis they then say what is the problem of asking those who have died to pray for/with you. such is their subtlety.
Now their basis is that the church is in communion with the high priesthood in heaven/ a dimly light mirror image. now this is where we have to be really careful in distinctions.
Yes to a degree this is true, once saved you enter into the 'Kingdom of God' but remember Jesus inaugarated the Kingdom but it has yet to be consumated this will happen on His parousia (second coming)
And I think I have said it, but you can't just pray to anyperson who was a Christian and died(physically) it has to be someone the pope and a special commission decide is worthy to be called a saint, yet the bible states we are all saints. to go against this teaching and particualarly praying to Mary,, will have you condemned under Papal infallibility.
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Phil
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I agree Phil,
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more )
Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more
)Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
I agree Phil,
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more )
Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more
)Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
K
I agree Phil,
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more )
Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
I only pray to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God clearly said that He is the one and only God. He also said He is a jealous God (meaning not accepting us to worship anyone else but Him). Whether Mary, Peter, Paul, or any other person is a saint or not, that doesn't change the fact that God is the only one to be worshipped. Pope or not.
I know I'm a saint, but I'm not sure if every human is. I'm a saint because I'm saved by Jesus (and I believe it). Does the Bible says that any human is a saint? (I really should study more
)Having said that, I also add that I highly respect Mary. I do not wish to attack the catholic people
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n. pl. a·nath·e·mas 1. A formal ecclesiastical ban, curse, or excommunication.
2. A vehement denunciation; a curse: "the sound of a witch's anathemas in some unknown tongue" (Nathaniel Hawthorne).
3. One that is cursed or ****ed.
4. One that is greatly reviled, loathed, or shunned:
n. pl. a·nath·e·mas 1. A formal ecclesiastical ban, curse, or excommunication.
2. A vehement denunciation; a curse: "the sound of a witch's anathemas in some unknown tongue" (Nathaniel Hawthorne).
3. One that is cursed or ****ed.
4. One that is greatly reviled, loathed, or shunned:
Actually, no Catholic liturgical rite allows priests to marry. But there are some who allow married men to be priests.
And why is it a bad thing to have celibate leaders? Did not Our Lord mention that there would be those who would forsake marriage for the kingdom of God? Was not the Apostle Paul unmarried? It's much easier for an unmarried pastor to be supported by a church community. And unmarried pastors don't have to chose between serving the needs of the church or the needs of their families.
K
You use Paul as an example when it comes to marriage but you don't see that his letters are all centered around Christ and hardly ever mention Mary at all.
How about Peter? He was married.
There are assistant pastors and deacons who can serve the needs of the church while the senior pastor does what he's called to do.
K
In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of "priests" it states:
In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.
It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled "Celibacy and the Priesthood" in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, ". . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry." But then, "speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,
It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.
Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.
It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, "forbidding to marry", not "forbidding to marry as human beings." Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the "Eastern Rites"),
Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.
In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.
It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled "Celibacy and the Priesthood" in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, ". . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry." But then, "speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,
It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.
Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.
It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, "forbidding to marry", not "forbidding to marry as human beings." Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the "Eastern Rites"),
Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.
I do think it is funny when I hear some Protestants point out that the Catholic Church wouldn't allow Peter to be a bishop because he was married!!!
Well, how many Protestants allow ministers to remain single or even hire single ministers, in the first place? Seems to me that many Protestant churches would not allow Jesus to be their minister......
Well, how many Protestants allow ministers to remain single or even hire single ministers, in the first place? Seems to me that many Protestant churches would not allow Jesus to be their minister......
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