Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)
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This is just One way I have looked at this but god heavenly child came to mary and grew in her womb .
imagine that the lord our god heavenly power filled the fruits of marys womb .
Imagine your own fruits and goodness inside of you . Imagine branches that are not growing because of hurt Or pride issues.
Now imagine marys how blessed she was and I can only imagine thats evrery One marys branches World of grown an grown an grown.
Now imagine this there are a lot good points about christians and cathloic And prosadantsents
Ok now imagine this uf wee keep raising up what are the bad points then we forget about the good ones..
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It is true that robo is being verry patient and Trying to get
On with you rock 22.
That is Why your still here an Metoo .
This is a good site it would be even better uf we had a ruling not question different religeouse beliefs.
That way we wouldnt be here now falling out .
I know in my heart that robo an rock are good bros so come on doods lets put our differences aside and get on
imagine that the lord our god heavenly power filled the fruits of marys womb .
Imagine your own fruits and goodness inside of you . Imagine branches that are not growing because of hurt Or pride issues.
Now imagine marys how blessed she was and I can only imagine thats evrery One marys branches World of grown an grown an grown.
Now imagine this there are a lot good points about christians and cathloic And prosadantsents
Ok now imagine this uf wee keep raising up what are the bad points then we forget about the good ones..
.
It is true that robo is being verry patient and Trying to get
On with you rock 22.
That is Why your still here an Metoo .
This is a good site it would be even better uf we had a ruling not question different religeouse beliefs.
That way we wouldnt be here now falling out .
I know in my heart that robo an rock are good bros so come on doods lets put our differences aside and get on
K
"The definition of an Eastern-Rite Catholic is: A Christian of any Eastern rite in union with the pope: i.e. a Catholic who belongs not to the Roman, but to an Eastern rite. They differ from other Eastern Christians in that they are in communion with Rome, and from Latins in that they have other rites."
See the whole article here. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Eastern Churches The paragraph giving specifics is about halfway down the page. I'm sorry they call you guys the heretics, but you would probably expect that from anyone in union with the Pope. the wikipedia is kinder to all, but I'm not sure it's as accurate. Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But note now they say that westerners really can't tell them apart that well.
See the whole article here. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Eastern Churches The paragraph giving specifics is about halfway down the page. I'm sorry they call you guys the heretics, but you would probably expect that from anyone in union with the Pope. the wikipedia is kinder to all, but I'm not sure it's as accurate. Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But note now they say that westerners really can't tell them apart that well.
Hey Rock022 
On the contrary, you're the one who brought up this whole issue. And even my previous post that you refer to was prompted by many cases of Catholics posting heresy in our forum, and then other Christians getting the impression that we tolerate it since it's all over our site. We want to welcome Catholics and all but don't blame us for responding honestly when people post extreme error or heresy, and really promote it. Responding honestly to error is not hate. I honestly don't feel any hate toward you or any of the thousands of Catholics who are all around me in this Catholic country. Nor do I go around correcting them all but when there's an opportunity to talk about God then yes I love to exalt Jesus and may feel the need to point out that we shouldn't exalt any other human being to the same level of Jesus (e.g., saying Mary is sinless -- you said your answer is yes to my first question regarding that, right?).
No dude, Mary was a sinner just like you and me. To say there was another sinless human being like Jesus is to exalt that person to the level of Jesus.
But we can argue til we're blue in the face. I guess you'll just have to accept that this site's statement of faith differs greatly with yours, and if you want to exalt Mary as sinless and all that, you should do so on a site that agrees with that.
Again, you brought up the whole matter, and even my previous post that you referred to was also in response to all the die-hard Catholics exalting Mary as sinless, as our intercessor, etc., and flooding our site with such error.
For us to openly respond to all that which is being openly promoted here on our site, isn't hate.
And guess what? For what it's worth, I actually kinda feel love for you right now. Weird huh?
Anyway I certainly don't feel any hate.
But we'll operate our site as we see fit, and try to keep a balance of allowing some open discussion, questions, etc., without allowing certain heretical groups to flood our site too much with their agenda. It's strange that you would say I have an agenda -- seems much more the other way around. But anyway, here's some love for ya:
Jesus is Lord!
On the contrary, you're the one who brought up this whole issue. And even my previous post that you refer to was prompted by many cases of Catholics posting heresy in our forum, and then other Christians getting the impression that we tolerate it since it's all over our site. We want to welcome Catholics and all but don't blame us for responding honestly when people post extreme error or heresy, and really promote it. Responding honestly to error is not hate.
I honestly don't feel any hate toward you or any of the thousands of Catholics who are all around me in this Catholic country. Nor do I go around correcting them all but when there's an opportunity to talk about God then yes I love to exalt Jesus and may feel the need to point out that we shouldn't exalt any other human being to the same level of Jesus (e.g., saying Mary is sinless -- you said your answer is yes to my first question regarding that, right?).No dude, Mary was a sinner just like you and me. To say there was another sinless human being like Jesus is to exalt that person to the level of Jesus.
But we can argue til we're blue in the face. I guess you'll just have to accept that this site's statement of faith differs greatly with yours, and if you want to exalt Mary as sinless and all that, you should do so on a site that agrees with that.
Again, you brought up the whole matter, and even my previous post that you referred to was also in response to all the die-hard Catholics exalting Mary as sinless, as our intercessor, etc., and flooding our site with such error.
For us to openly respond to all that which is being openly promoted here on our site, isn't hate.
And guess what? For what it's worth, I actually kinda feel love for you right now. Weird huh?
Anyway I certainly don't feel any hate.
But we'll operate our site as we see fit, and try to keep a balance of allowing some open discussion, questions, etc., without allowing certain heretical groups to flood our site too much with their agenda. It's strange that you would say I have an agenda -- seems much more the other way around. But anyway, here's some love for ya:
Jesus is Lord!
I want to APOLOGIZE to any person I have offended specially RoboOp. I had SOME bad experiences in the Bible Study chat, and my frustration carried over to the forums. RoboOp you have a great website REALY, that is why it hurts much when people get negative just like I did. One thing is sure, those of you who are passionate is because you WANT JESUS! and He is the truth.
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Texting is not the best way to sought differences out .
Face to face conversatión is so now look where questioniong other religeons has got us .
Its got us to the point where good followers of the lord are almost falling out when we they have in them to be really good friends in christ .
From now on i think it would be wise for us not to talk about this subject anymore fir the people in this room meetoo
Obviously we can not stop new members from bringing it up but can advice them that this talk only devides our friendship for One anotherAnd not only that its also breeds further hatred and innocent people involved in this end up being hated I feel we are all innocent in this but how ever like you said rock some members hete have taken the hatred to a whole new level for instance post pictures of a women bleeding from her eyes and hand to portray all cathlolics to look bad
Is unexceptable to me .
All the catholics I spoke to face to face in the real World do not práctice such things .
And so I understand your hurt rock22 but please let it go bro its a minority here that want to cause devidance
Face to face conversatión is so now look where questioniong other religeons has got us .
Its got us to the point where good followers of the lord are almost falling out when we they have in them to be really good friends in christ .
From now on i think it would be wise for us not to talk about this subject anymore fir the people in this room meetoo
Obviously we can not stop new members from bringing it up but can advice them that this talk only devides our friendship for One anotherAnd not only that its also breeds further hatred and innocent people involved in this end up being hated I feel we are all innocent in this but how ever like you said rock some members hete have taken the hatred to a whole new level for instance post pictures of a women bleeding from her eyes and hand to portray all cathlolics to look bad
Is unexceptable to me .
All the catholics I spoke to face to face in the real World do not práctice such things .
And so I understand your hurt rock22 but please let it go bro its a minority here that want to cause devidance
K
I personally understand completely. I made the post because I think that most of the people in the website do not understand this. Compared to Protestant churches, and even to Catholic churches in the west, the Orthodox and the Eastern rite Catholics look very similar. I think they might be mixing things up, and that's why some of them think you believe in the Immaculate Conception. That is, of course, only a Catholic belief, not an orthodox one.
I would like to point out that some people in the catholic church believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary has powers like God, and that is totally and completely wrong. Others believe the saints have individual powers which is completely and utterly wrong also. The powers I believe they have is the power of prayer, and prayer alone. We are told to pray for one another and to pray with ought ceasing. This way we keep a never ending circle of prayer amongst all of us to the Lord our God. So when we speak here in this particular subject believe me NO ONE has the power but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Maybe if I pointed this out in the beginning, this thread would have taken a different turn.
Dr Scott Hann was a bible only devout christian, maybe some of his quotes might help here.
-- Mary doesn’t take anything away from Christ any more than the moon takes away from the sun, she reflects his brilliance.
Mary is a model disciple :
Her response to her mission was that of a model disciple
Luke 1:38 be it unto me according to thy word.
This verse might take away the understanding of Luke 48
Luke 1:46*And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord
48*...for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed
At the wedding in Cana Mary says “do what ever He tells you”
John 2:5*His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
The only time an angel addresses an person by title
Like 1:28 ...Hail, thou that art highly favored (the original Greek word means she is and has been filled with God Grace)
God has bestowed on her His own life
-- Mary doesn’t take anything away from Christ any more than the moon takes away from the sun, she reflects his brilliance.
Mary is a model disciple :
Her response to her mission was that of a model disciple
Luke 1:38 be it unto me according to thy word.
This verse might take away the understanding of Luke 48
Luke 1:46*And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord
48*...for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed
At the wedding in Cana Mary says “do what ever He tells you”
John 2:5*His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
The only time an angel addresses an person by title
Like 1:28 ...Hail, thou that art highly favored (the original Greek word means she is and has been filled with God Grace)
God has bestowed on her His own life
Any non-Catholic who loves Jesus, Yeshua, also loves Mary. We all know the salutation of Elizabeth when Mary came to her. I will not speak for all, but I believe I know Mary is the most blessed of all womankind, and no believing woman or man would ever say otherwise.
I believe your post would serve the flock best were you to post the same in a Catholic forum. I do not believe the majority of those who know Jesus, Yeshua, need to be reminded of the verses cited. They know them in thier minds, hearts and souls.
I believe your post would serve the flock best were you to post the same in a Catholic forum. I do not believe the majority of those who know Jesus, Yeshua, need to be reminded of the verses cited. They know them in thier minds, hearts and souls.
This are just but a few.
Is Mary the Mother of Jesus heresy?
Matthew 1
16*... Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
18 ...his mother Mary...
20 ...conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 ...bring forth a son
23*...bring forth a son...
25*...her firstborn son...
Matthew 2
11 ...Mary his mother...
13 ...his mother...
14 ...his mother...
20 ...his mother...
21 ...his mother...
Luke 1
31*..thou shalt conceive in thy womb...
34*..Mary his mother...
35*...born of thee...
42 ...the fruit of thy womb...
43...the mother of my Lord...
Luke 2
6 ...she should be delivered...
7 ...her firstborn son...
33 ...and his mother...
34 ...Mary his mother...
Is Mary the Mother of Jesus heresy?
Matthew 1
16*... Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
18 ...his mother Mary...
20 ...conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 ...bring forth a son
23*...bring forth a son...
25*...her firstborn son...
Matthew 2
11 ...Mary his mother...
13 ...his mother...
14 ...his mother...
20 ...his mother...
21 ...his mother...
Luke 1
31*..thou shalt conceive in thy womb...
34*..Mary his mother...
35*...born of thee...
42 ...the fruit of thy womb...
43...the mother of my Lord...
Luke 2
6 ...she should be delivered...
7 ...her firstborn son...
33 ...and his mother...
34 ...Mary his mother...
You have changed the claim from the original post to form a dispute that was non-existent.. In the original quote reference is made to Mary being the mother of God, which, of course, is blasphemy. No one denies she is the mother of Jesus, however Jesus pre-exists all mankind including Mary, who, though most blessed among all womankind, is no different from any other creature of Yahweh, God.
Metamorphosing the first post to suit an argument is the same as lying.
Metamorphosing the first post to suit an argument is the same as lying.