Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

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John 13:34, 35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


please read the verse how does god know you are his deciple and what is a deciple to you god tells us to love one another so we can be a deciple for god.


how can you not be saved if you can not do this.


a deciple truly devotes himself to jesus a deciple truly gives his word and honours his word to love one another is to be genrous and sharing just like how god shares his love and if you can not share the love of jesus and be a deciple of a good embasserder for the lord jesus then your thines can not grow your branches will wither and die . do you want your fruits to grow i know i do..

we all have it in us to be deciples amen
 
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EPHESIANS 4:13 {{ UNTIL WE ALL REACH UNITY IN THE FAITH, AND IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD, AND BECOME MATURE.}}:D:D I THOUGHT IT SAID MANURE, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, HORSES DUNG, SOMETIMES IT IS STINKING THINKING, HOW BOUT THE MIND OF CHRIST, IF IT IS NOT , IT IS CARNAL, STINKING THINKING, MANURE, AND NOT MATURE. :D:D:D
 

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There has been no response to my first reply to the original post, so, in a nutshell, to refer to Mary as the Mother of God is heresy. God is One, He is Three persons, He has no beginning and no end. Mary is a creature just as are all who believe Yeshua, Jesus. This is bright and clear. It does not matter how many creatures say one thing, Yahweh is God, and He has no mother. Again, God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If you do not believe this, you do not believe the Word. Prayers are going up for understanding, faith, hope and love.
 
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There has been no response to my first reply to the original post, so, in a nutshell, to refer to Mary as the Mother of God is heresy. God is One, He is Three persons, He has no beginning and no end. Mary is a creature just as are all who believe Yeshua, Jesus. This is bright and clear. It does not matter how many creatures say one thing, Yahweh is God, and He has no mother. Again, God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If you do not believe this, you do not believe the Word. Prayers are going up for understanding, faith, hope and love.
i will answer for you god is the trinity he is three persons the father the son and the holy spirit.
while god was in the flesh on plannet earth mary was his mother (simples)
 
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i will answer for you god is the trinity he is three persons the father the son and the holy spirit.
while god was in the flesh on plannet earth mary was his mother (simples)
Yes it is simple, but not true. Read the conversation between the Father and the Son before He was born to Mary, Zecharias 3, Mary was no where to be found. I did not say Mary is not the host Mother of Jesus in the flesh, but no one, no where is the Mother of God, no one. Mary, a very humble woman, is not happy with all this nonsense going on world wide because of the RCC. It is sad that so many sheep will follow any voice disregarding the Good Shepherd. God has no mother. Mary was simply the host mother.............She is the most blessed woman ever, but get it out of your teaching that God has a mother..
It does not matter if a billion people go around claiming Mary is the mother of God, they are wrong, simple. It is blasphemy, and Mary would never stand for such.
 
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you miss understand jesus is our lord and while jesus was on plannet earth mary was his mother that is al that was ment by rock simples
 

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you miss understand jesus is our lord and while jesus was on plannet earth mary was his mother that is al that was ment by rock simples
Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)
Luke 1:42-43
How can we deny Mary the mother of God when it is clearly written? It can not be more clear than this. To think otherwise is to say the bible is wrong.


This is from the original post.
 
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Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)
Luke 1:42-43
How can we deny Mary the mother of God when it is clearly written? It can not be more clear than this. To think otherwise is to say the bible is wrong.


This is from the original post.
i have read luke and can you explain luke 1 verse 29 to me

Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son


if you read it it says you will give birth to a son now this is my understanding and i do not think any woman can give birth to a son unless she is his mother .

i will say it again you are to give birth to a son(. son meening you will be his mother through child hood .


ok next point you made was
And she spoke out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me


ok verse 43 mary is confused why the mother of her lord should come to her she has been told she is to have a son she is to be the mother of the son she is confused as to why she is so favored
 
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i have read luke and can you explain luke 1 verse 29 to me

Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son


if you read it it says you will give birth to a son now this is my understanding and i do not think any woman can give birth to a son unless she is his mother .

i will say it again you are to give birth to a son(. son meening you will be his mother through child hood .


ok next point you made was
And she spoke out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me


ok verse 43 mary is confused why the mother of her lord should come to her she has been told she is to have a son she is to be the mother of the son she is confused as to why she is so favored
What is the question here? Jesus is the son of Mary physically, but He was with Yahweh God in heaven long before. As He said in Revelation I am the Alpha and the Omega. I do not take away from Mary that she is the most blessed of all women, but she is also very humble. As for being the mother of Elizabeth's lord, it is common practice for Hebrew speaking woman to call their husband's lord. It is akin to master. Now this is valid information, however I do not really know what your question is. I will be back tomorrow to see if you have anything specifically for me. Otherwise, God bless you and keep you close always, amen.
 

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God said the veil was torn I could go straight to HIM. He is my friend that sticks closer than a brother. Sorry the saints are not necessary for me
 
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That was my wife's quick proof for the falseness of the apparitions. She does not look Jewish.

That reminds me. Geometar, how close are the pictures in your icons to the original appearance of Mary (and Jesus and the other saints)?
 
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That was my wife's quick proof for the falseness of the apparitions. She does not look Jewish.

That reminds me. Geometar, how close are the pictures in your icons to the original appearance of Mary (and Jesus and the other saints)?
Orthodox icons are typically egg tempura paintings on wood, often small. There is a rich history and rich patterns of religious symbolism associated with icons. Generally, icons used in Orthodox churches strictly followed formulas hallowed by usage originating in Constantinople. The personal and improvisatory traditions of iconographic novelty familiar from Western religious art are largely lacking in the East. The Orthodox sometimes call them "windows into heaven."
I believe(my opinion) that Theotokos have a lot of similarities with real look of her.She has appeared many times to the faithful and yes i believe that for her and Lord Jesus.
Younger saints r very similar also with their look.Specially i can say that for 19 or 20 century.Because of their pictures.
But i think that purpose of Icons aren't to show us their original faith,but which life have they leading.If u understand me.
 

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Another question for Rock022:

Elizabeth referred to Jesus as her Lord, even while he was in Mary's womb.

Is Jesus also Mary's Lord?
 
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Another question for Rock022:

Elizabeth referred to Jesus as her Lord, even while he was in Mary's womb.

Is Jesus also Mary's Lord?
yes he is but hestill would of needed to be mothered as a baby
 
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Roboop why would I bother to speak to you about Mary when you clearly HATE a denomination because of a close relative who you truly believe is not in heaven. You are the judge, not me. But to answer your questions... Yes to all the above. My eyes have been opened, not closed. Remember that where there is too much light we can go bling, and I believe more in the power of Jesus over his church than most of you who doubt every person in the planet is the devil unless they agree with you. The amount of HATE in Christian Chat is unbelievable, and can wear any person down. I came here to make friends be lifted and discuss theology. Things get heated too quick and there is no control on anyone who is not catholic, it is a free forum to insult us. (Banned for catholic heresy) Really!

God has more power than any human or spirit, or what ever else there might exist which I do not know of. But you simply choose to believe satan overpower Jesus and his church. Yes the Roman Catholic Church which is Christian and you do not believe because a personal agenda. I pray that God helps you and this site and that your eyes be open, and if I am still able to remain in the Christian Chat, because you banned Catholics for defending their faith, then I would gladly open a forum and show you why she is Immaculate, Virgin and Mother.
 

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Roboop why would I bother to speak to you about Mary when you clearly HATE a denomination because of a close relative who you truly believe is not in heaven. You are the judge, not me. But to answer your questions... Yes to all the above. My eyes have been opened, not closed. Remember that where there is too much light we can go bling, and I believe more in the power of Jesus over his church than most of you who doubt every person in the planet is the devil unless they agree with you. The amount of HATE in Christian Chat is unbelievable, and can wear any person down. I came here to make friends be lifted and discuss theology. Things get heated too quick and there is no control on anyone who is not catholic, it is a free forum to insult us. (Banned for catholic heresy) Really!

God has more power than any human or spirit, or what ever else there might exist which I do not know of. But you simply choose to believe satan overpower Jesus and his church. Yes the Roman Catholic Church which is Christian and you do not believe because a personal agenda. I pray that God helps you and this site and that your eyes be open, and if I am still able to remain in the Christian Chat, because you banned Catholics for defending their faith, then I would gladly open a forum and show you why she is Immaculate, Virgin and Mother.
No one who believes Jesus is able to bless or even befriend anyone who spouts a theology invented by man and purported to be directly from God, Yahweh, apostasy. The very confused men who have occupied the Vatican for so long have taught perversions of the Word of Yahweh for centuries. How could anyone who believes the Son of Yahweh hear the representatives of such men? This would be blasphemy. No matter how may creatures may state something is either true or false, the last word and the only Word is of God. Actually, when you see the RCC appearing to gain territory again in the world, this is a clear indication of just what is foretold to be. Meditate on this for it is a clear sign post directing us to Yeshua, Christ's return, amen.
 
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No one who believes Jesus is able to bless or even befriend anyone who spouts a theology invented by man and purported to be directly from God, Yahweh, apostasy. The very confused men who have occupied the Vatican for so long have taught perversions of the Word of Yahweh for centuries. How could anyone who believes the Son of Yahweh hear the representatives of such men? This would be blasphemy. No matter how may creatures may state something is either true or false, the last word and the only Word is of God. Actually, when you see the RCC appearing to gain territory again in the world, this is a clear indication of just what is foretold to be. Meditate on this for it is a clear sign post directing us to Yeshua, Christ's return, amen.
A post script to my reply. The difference between the RCC and all the protestant religions is clear, those who escaped Rome read the Word, consult the Word and share the Word, while Catholics learn catechism and are forbidden to do as do those freed of Rome. Catechism is also apostasy according to the Word for any man putting forth as truth a gospel that is not from Jesus Christ is cursed.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 

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Roboop why would I bother to speak to you about Mary when you clearly HATE a denomination because of a close relative who you truly believe is not in heaven. You are the judge, not me. But to answer your questions... Yes to all the above. My eyes have been opened, not closed. Remember that where there is too much light we can go bling, and I believe more in the power of Jesus over his church than most of you who doubt every person in the planet is the devil unless they agree with you. The amount of HATE in Christian Chat is unbelievable, and can wear any person down. I came here to make friends be lifted and discuss theology. Things get heated too quick and there is no control on anyone who is not catholic, it is a free forum to insult us. (Banned for catholic heresy) Really!

God has more power than any human or spirit, or what ever else there might exist which I do not know of. But you simply choose to believe satan overpower Jesus and his church. Yes the Roman Catholic Church which is Christian and you do not believe because a personal agenda. I pray that God helps you and this site and that your eyes be open, and if I am still able to remain in the Christian Chat, because you banned Catholics for defending their faith, then I would gladly open a forum and show you why she is Immaculate, Virgin and Mother.
Hey Rock022 :)

On the contrary, you're the one who brought up this whole issue. And even my previous post that you refer to was prompted by many cases of Catholics posting heresy in our forum, and then other Christians getting the impression that we tolerate it since it's all over our site. We want to welcome Catholics and all but don't blame us for responding honestly when people post extreme error or heresy, and really promote it. Responding honestly to error is not hate. :) I honestly don't feel any hate toward you or any of the thousands of Catholics who are all around me in this Catholic country. Nor do I go around correcting them all but when there's an opportunity to talk about God then yes I love to exalt Jesus and may feel the need to point out that we shouldn't exalt any other human being to the same level of Jesus (e.g., saying Mary is sinless -- you said your answer is yes to my first question regarding that, right?).

No dude, Mary was a sinner just like you and me. To say there was another sinless human being like Jesus is to exalt that person to the level of Jesus.

But we can argue til we're blue in the face. I guess you'll just have to accept that this site's statement of faith differs greatly with yours, and if you want to exalt Mary as sinless and all that, you should do so on a site that agrees with that.

Again, you brought up the whole matter, and even my previous post that you referred to was also in response to all the die-hard Catholics exalting Mary as sinless, as our intercessor, etc., and flooding our site with such error.

For us to openly respond to all that which is being openly promoted here on our site, isn't hate. :)

And guess what? For what it's worth, I actually kinda feel love for you right now. Weird huh? :D :eek:

Anyway I certainly don't feel any hate. :) :D

But we'll operate our site as we see fit, and try to keep a balance of allowing some open discussion, questions, etc., without allowing certain heretical groups to flood our site too much with their agenda. It's strange that you would say I have an agenda -- seems much more the other way around. But anyway, here's some love for ya:



Jesus is Lord!
 
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RoboOp and admins: I would not be here if I thought you banned anyone based on a specific theology. I am pleased to see that everyone is free to be wherever he finds himself with God. We all learn and grow as God gives us grace day by day. And with what you guys are doing, we are free to be part of that process with and for each other.
 
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Me as Orthodox do not defend conception of Immaculation of Virgin Mary.That isn't teaching of my Holy Church and holy fathers.And i think that false doctrine made a lot of enemies on her righterious view.