Mental Health Medications and Christians

[Justcallmetinman]

OK then, YOU try the blue algae and probiotic diet first then. If it works good for you, then I may try it..lol.. Even if I wanted to do this diet, it DOES cost hundreds of dollars that I DON'T have. Unless you or JD want to fund my experimental diet.. :/

My analysis would only benefit me since you do not know me. It sounds like your mind is already made up . Like Phil said: let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind...

 

[JosephsDreams]

The moderator is a vegan, raw foodist, breathtarian, sun gazer, who eats blue green micro algae by the bushels, He is on my side !

 

[Magenta]

Never once have I seen anyone allergic to blue green micro algae. Not once. But even there, there is a easy way to test for it. Your just reaching.
How about meds. How many doctors test their patients first? There is a word, I forget now what it is, but essentially it si a word for how many people die a year from prescription drugs.
I mentioned last time I checked, about 6 years ago, it was around 30,000 people a year. I don't know of one person who has died from blue green algae.
Now your just saying whatever comes to your mind without any good reason, to just refute me.

Prescription drugs taken as prescribed in hospitals are the fourth leading cause of death in the US and Canada, after cancer, heart disease and strokes. They cause about 10,000 deaths a year in Canada and about 106,000 deaths a year and over two million serious injuries in the US. As many as another 10,000 deaths a year in Canada are thought to occur outside hospitals due to the wrong drug, dosage errors and adverse reactions. One out of four admissions to internal medicine in Canadian hospitals is related to prescription drugs, of which 70% are preventable. Canadians now spend more on prescription drugs ($24 billion) than we do on doctors ($18 billion).

All drugs cause adverse effects. The only difference between a drug and a poison is dosage.
http://commonground.ca/2012/01/prescription-drug-deaths/

 

[coby2]

Actually, in this case the opinion shouldn't be quiet, since a 15 year old boy's health is at stake. On the other hand, we need to pray the boy gets the help of someone not waiting around for a fake god to heal him. That 15 year old needs some serious prayers. I see this as a reason for the young man to turn from God in a few years, because he mistakes this false god as the real God and thinks the real God doesn't care about him.

Sure. The real God Jesus set people free and never sent anyone to a psychiater.

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns - NaturalNews.com

 

[Justcallmetinman]

Actually, in this case the opinion shouldn't be quiet, since a 15 year old boy's health is at stake. On the other hand, we need to pray the boy gets the help of someone not waiting around for a fake god to heal him. That 15 year old needs some serious prayers. I see this as a reason for the young man to turn from God in a few years, because he mistakes this false god as the real God and thinks the real God doesn't care about him.

So are you saying that a persons opinion that differs from yours is a person who has a fake god?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Jesus help me.
You just don't get it. I said 30,000 people have died each year for many years due to prescription drug use.
I said I have never seen even one person that was allergic, much less die from blue green algae.
Which one is safer?
I said even then, if I ever had a person like you to counsel, and God, please don't do that to me, I would tell you how to test for it.
You probably would be the one person in the world who was allergic to it.
What don't you understand about what I am saying?

What I don't get, is your approach to the whole thing. Just because YOU have never personally seen any adverse effects in people who tried this diet, does not mean that there aren't some people out there who DID have a bad experience with it. I'm sure that not all adverse effects are documented in the research of this diet. So there's no concrete way to know, one way or the other. I keep telling you I'm not gonna do this diet, and you keep trying to sell it on me as some sort of wonder drug that MAY possibly help me.

I'm reminded of the Paul McCartney/Michael Jackson "Say Say Say" video, where they're trying to sell a wonder potion that will give men "the strength of a raging bull", when in reality, the drink is really only carrot juice. :/ I'd be more inclined to drink carrot juice, rather than eat wheat grass or sea algae..lol

 

[Willie-T]

All true Willie. But I have seen a tremendous shift in the last 20 years in the paradigm of the general public regarding nutrition.
If you think that post was a A..kisser, you should have read my long post a few pagers back where I mentioned you.
Unashamed, unadulterated...

Durn, I missed that. Now, this egocentric, self-absorbed old man is going to have to go hunting. It's a helluva shock to hear someone said something nice about me.

 

[Justcallmetinman]

​I already eat a diet. It's called lettuce..lol.. And wheat grass and algae aren't part of it.

Iceberg or dark greens?

 

[blue_ladybug]

The moderator is a vegan, raw foodist, breathtarian, sun gazer, who eats blue green micro algae by the bushels, He is on my side !

La dee da for you and the OP. I DON'T CARE..

 

[JosephsDreams]

I go to a chiropractor who gave up a very promising and prosperous career as a pill pusher to go back to school for Chiropractic because he became convinced all he was doing with most medications was just killing people slowly. And he is a HUGE health proponent.

Most of us on this forum (from what I have heard us say about our lifestyles) would be shocked and horrified to even consider altering our habits to align with Dr. Hood's suggestions for longer and better life. I'm pretty healthy, and I can't bring myself to do some of the things he says I should. (A diet of a minimum of 60-65% green leafy vegetables? Eeech!)

Seriously, he believes that "Food Pyramid" most of us were taught about in school is totally the opposite of how we should be eating.

The food pyramid is actually more of a political document then a nutritional one.
The best thing you can do at your age Willie is to try, I stress try, I know it is not easy, is to give up as many processed foods as possible, and eat at least 35% to 60% raw food. Lots of salads, steamed veggies (not roasted, or boiled), fruits, raw nuts, seeds, sprouts, beans, and glutton free grains like Amaranth, Quiona, buckwheat, and brown rice. Those grains should be limited to about 2 to 3 times a week.
Try to get the animal protein down to 3 days a week, if you can.
This is more important than doing all organic, even though organic is good, and if it is available and one can afford it.

 

[Depleted]

LB, an apology is given when someone does something unethical, or hurtful to hurt another person, usually knowing what they are doing, but not always.
I have found that sometimes, not always, people who request or demand an apology have a pride issue. Or are over sensitive, or controlling. Or all three.
A lot of you here just don't get it. Don't have your feelings hurt by that statement. It is just true, when it comes to diet and lifestyle. I feel like a Christian trying to argue with atheists.
I said I can personally attests to the lifestyle.
I said the bible supports what the lifestyle is.
I said I know someone who is a doctor who lives it, in his 80's, (and does not take one med, btw).
I said he has counseled over 10,000 patients/clients over a more then 40 years span.
I said him and I have discussed our experiences in counseling people (his dwarfing mine) and we both have concluded that the general population does not really understand what a "good" or biologically healing diet is. And that we are both amazed again and again what people call a good diet.
I have been attacked by a man who essentially called my profession quackery, and by extension, called me a quack. Despite him reading my previous posts, I assume he did anyway, and if he didn't, then that speaks volumes too. If he did, he is lost to the concept I am putting out there. So I took the tact that rather then try to explain to him why he should have not said what he did, because either he did not read my posts, or did not believe the information, I took the position of of telling him to look at all the mistakes his age group has made following dogmatic positions they were taught as youngsters. Including the notions he was probably raised with concerning doctors, our health care system, meds, our responsibility to our bodies, and holistic therapies. In the hope it would open his eyes, and maybe he would think before he speaks and disparage's peoples professions.
Then immediately after that post someone else after posted his support of his insulting comments. Very nice.
Then Willie tells me that he did not live a lifestyle that most people did in that age group. And he tells me essentially that he looked great at my age. And all that does is just make two things evident to me. One is that Willie is a unique individual both physically and mentally. He was blessed with genes that most of us don't have, and thought outside of the box, was ahead of his time, and was not typical for his age group. Two, Willie makes the common mistake that just because someone looks good, it means they are in great health. This makes it clear to me that he, along with most of the general population (Christian and non Christian) and many here, but for different reasons, that there is a narrow understanding of nutrition and lifestyle and how it effects us. Body builders have the physiques they do because they eat a lot of animal protein. In the short term they may look good, seem healthy, but in the long term it has a detrimental impact on their health. That is why I spoke about blood work. A good doctor, or any health care person, looks on the inside, not the outside. And before I am attacked, this is for most people, not everyone. And I would expect that. I am not being critical, a this is not most peoples area of study.
I have been doing this for 23 years. So I would think I have more knowledge then most of you about this.
I know when someone has more knowledge then me about something, I listen to what they have to say. Humbly so. With a willing spirit.
Believe it or not, many of the things I have said here and on the health forum, I have gotten paid for. And I have a willing and eager audience. And they apply it and see the truth of it.
But I understand it is not for everyone. Not even Christians, even though this all comes from God and the bible anyway.
You know I have been invited to speak at church's in NYC about this stuff. Does that mean I can't be wrong. Does that mean I am full of myself, and think I am elite, as some of you here are implying? No, of course not. But I do know I have seen great results from my one on one counseling and in church's. Not because of me, but because an altered lifestyle frees up Gods mechanics of health in our bodies.
I have said time and again, :most people", "some people", "many people". I never said 100% for anything I have said.
I always generalized my comments. But I got replies like it it won't work for me with this, or for this one with that.
But most of you wouldn't know if it would or wouldn't work, and to waht extent, because you never really did it.
I never said that with emotional or physiological issues one could or would be "cured' 100%. I said with some people they could see dramatic improvement. I said many people would be able to decrease their dosage. I said some would be able to eliminate their drugs. This is truth, because my friend, who is a Christian, btw, has seen it with people he has counseled.
Some people with certain disorder may be able to do a combination of prescription drugs and herbs, or other supplements.
I am a proponent of trying to get off, as much as possible, prescription drugs because of the dmage they cuase the body.
So don't twist my words and say I am saying that some peole don't need them. I understand some people will be on them the rest of their lives.
But when you say that I have no idea what I am talking about, you are being narrow minded.
When you tell me diet is not a factor, your being ignorant, and/or stubborn for emotional/physiological/dogmatic reasons.
You may not like they way I said that, or may think I am being arrogant, but I am speaking the truth. Bluntly. Because you here are speaking to me bluntly about things you are quite frankly just not informed about.
If you were to say to me that you had to do some research, or that you didn't know for sure, or something that you never heard of it, but it may be possible, I would not be so forth right.
But I ma being ganged up on for no good reason.
I never said you should go off your meds LB, but somehow I have been told otherwise, things I have never said.
But getting back to what I was saying.
So I feel like the king without clothes.
And I know some of you may refuse this message because it puts the ball in your court. If you believe what I am putting out here it means you have to now take more responsibility for your own body, your own health.
It means to break a comfort zone.
A lot of people can't alter their diets sufficiently. I get it. I know it. I have seen it time and again as a counselor.
I have compassion or that. I feel for peoples ailments. Why do you think I got into this?
I have my issues, it just so happens my diet and lifestyle re health is not one of them.
You guys don't think I have not heard very single one fo your arguments before? I have, and at least 10 times over.
I understand the emotional/physiological reasons why people may be resistant to what I am saying.
But none of you have offered my scientific proof of why what I am stating is wrong. And I mean real science. Empirical studies, not funded by big pharma, or hospital's.
So please, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't believe fine, but don't belittle me, insult me, or twist my words.
Argue the science and facts. But please don't tell me what my friend and I have witnessed is not true.
Thank you.
God bless you all.

Actually, she said she couldn't afford it. So what do you do? Keep going on about you. There's this obvious problem you aren't getting. Disabilities tend to require money to be dealt with. Some of them cost jobs. Too disabled to work. Guess where the two tend to lead? Brokesville!

And yet somehow the ball is in the Brokesville court? Heads up. Brokesville tends not to lend itself to tennis courts. Sometimes it doesn't even lend itself to a single tennis ball.

So, you know what would help? Listening without assuming so much.

You think you're ganged up on now? Guess what! Almost everyone on this board that I know, (I'm guessing 60%-80% of the people I know on here) ARE disabled in one form or another.

And look what we keep getting. Message after message after message about our side of the tennis courts! Constantly telling us, in one way or another how to fix our problems with God, with a new fad diet, with a diet that only works for roughly 10%, and, dagnabit even staying away from electricity! We're on the Internet! Seems kind of obvious we're all using the evil electricity. (Wicked sarcasm, but at least you know this isn't all about you. lol)

So, how about a break from trying to fix thorns?

Stop arguing the science long enough to realize there are other human beings on the other side of that screen too!

 

[coby2]

Jung was a satanist and that other guy wasn't kosher either. It's atheism to explain everything natural.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegw...nts-the-black-box-and-a-paradox/#f2b9e1d77fa0

 

[blue_ladybug]

Iceberg or dark greens?

Dark greens, of course..

 

[JosephsDreams]

Prescription drugs taken as prescribed in hospitals are the fourth leading cause of death in the US and Canada, after cancer, heart disease and strokes. They cause about 10,000 deaths a year in Canada and about 106,000 deaths a year and over two million serious injuries in the US. As many as another 10,000 deaths a year in Canada are thought to occur outside hospitals due to the wrong drug, dosage errors and adverse reactions. One out of four admissions to internal medicine in Canadian hospitals is related to prescription drugs, of which 70% are preventable. Canadians now spend more on prescription drugs ($24 billion) than we do on doctors ($18 billion).

All drugs cause adverse effects. The only difference between a drug and a poison is dosage.
http://commonground.ca/2012/01/prescription-drug-deaths/

Thanks M, I love you. I was to lazy to look it up...

 

[Justcallmetinman]

In order to always be healthy and never get a cold you have to take the dog inside and put your baby in the freezing cold outside.
No kidding, my nutsy into the healthy stuff grandparents did that and my dad is never sick. The neighbours would make comments. Also he always ate vegetarian.
But his dad started eating meat again and everything he liked and became 96.

Its actually not nutty to get accustomed to extreme cold temps. It has been proven that homes where the thermostat is set at higher temps breed MORE germs therefore the occupants of the house tend to be more susceptible to things going around. I do what I call cold therapy when I am in cold climates.

 

[JosephsDreams]

What I don't get, is your approach to the whole thing. Just because YOU have never personally seen any adverse effects in people who tried this diet, does not mean that there aren't some people out there who DID have a bad experience with it. I'm sure that not all adverse effects are documented in the research of this diet. So there's no concrete way to know, one way or the other. I keep telling you I'm not gonna do this diet, and you keep trying to sell it on me as some sort of wonder drug that MAY possibly help me.



I'm reminded of the Paul McCartney/Michael Jackson "Say Say Say" video, where they're trying to sell a wonder potion that will give men "the strength of a raging bull", when in reality, the drink is really only carrot juice. :/ I'd be more inclined to drink carrot juice, rather than eat wheat grass or sea algae..lol

Are you just purposely messing with me?
This can't be real.
I am not trying to convince you to change your diet? I already stated what my goal was, maybe about 15 posts back.
It doesn't mean anything to you that between my friend, and me, and the person who is the largest distributor in the USA, maybe the world, that all told we have experience with hundreds of thousands of people taking blue green algae and I have not heard of one instance of allergies to blue green algae.
But to you, that probably means nothing, right?
Because, say it in unison class, LB will be the one case...

By the way, funny how you never supported your claim to a good diet. I asked you how many posts go to state it?

This is the third time now on this site I told someone who claimed they were on a good diet to tell me what they eat, ans now the third time with no response.

 

[Willie-T]

​No to all of those questions. You don't know much about epilepsy, do you? Step into my shoes and I'll rewind the last 4 decades for ya. I take enough pills already, I ain't taking algae and probiotics and whatever else on top of it..

Now, probiotics, essential oils, and some fats and vitamins (and a few other natural things) should be included in everyone's diet... unless there is a very specific reason not to take them.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Actually, she said she couldn't afford it. So what do you do? Keep going on about you. There's this obvious problem you aren't getting. Disabilities tend to require money to be dealt with. Some of them cost jobs. Too disabled to work. Guess where the two tend to lead? Brokesville!

And yet somehow the ball is in the Brokesville court? Heads up. Brokesville tends not to lend itself to tennis courts. Sometimes it doesn't even lend itself to a single tennis ball.

So, you know what would help? Listening without assuming so much.

You think you're ganged up on now? Guess what! Almost everyone on this board that I know, (I'm guessing 60%-80% of the people I know on here) ARE disabled in one form or another.

And look what we keep getting. Message after message after message about our side of the tennis courts! Constantly telling us, in one way or another how to fix our problems with God, with a new fad diet, with a diet that only works for roughly 10%, and, dagnabit even staying away from electricity! We're on the Internet! Seems kind of obvious we're all using the evil electricity. (Wicked sarcasm, but at least you know this isn't all about you. lol)

So, how about a break from trying to fix thorns?

Stop arguing the science long enough to realize there are other human beings on the other side of that screen too!

Lynn, I am not going to repeat everything I said in the last 5 or so pages. Just read all my posts to get the full picture and then get back to me.

 

[coby2]

Its actually not nutty to get accustomed to extreme cold temps. It has been proven that homes where the thermostat is set at higher temps breed MORE germs therefore the occupants of the house tend to be more susceptible to things going around. I do what I call cold therapy when I am in cold climates.

But to only put the baby outside was a bit peculiar.
The neighbours yelled: yeah get the dog in and let the baby outside in the snow! My dad never complained that it was cold I must say.

 

[phil112]

.................. The only difference between a drug and a poison is dosage.
http://commonground.ca/2012/01/prescription-drug-deaths/

Now that's not true. Taken in moderate dosages, medicine can help you. Taken in moderate dosages, poison kills you slowly.