MGTOW Red Pill Bible Are woman capable of loving a man?

[Blackpowderduelist]

yes and? What does this have to do with married people and love? Ohh wait that’s right absolutely nothing.

You brought up the cause of divorce. You must be divorced or about to get one because you are an abusive person. Gaslighting which is what you have done here is an abuse tactic.
I think I see something of a trend. Your wife doesn't love you because the many years of abuse, and you are here gaslighting her.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Totally agree.Very hard now dads with so many fathers not in the home. Certainly baggage brought from family issues and the marriage you've seen your parents mirror would factor in also. But I believe you are dead on, unfortunately.

I raised my 3 boys and my daughter. Mine are men and my daughter is formidable (I didn't want her to take any mess from a man) My boys are honorable (they will not tolerate nonsense either). They are truly arrows in my quiver.
My daughter is married to a good man whom she loves. My boys haven't married yet.

 

[Magenta]

I think there are several reasons for it. A lot of abuse in marriage, domestic, substance, top reasons given. Porn is more accessible than ever before, making expectations in intimacy very different than what our parents had. The church has declined and very few couples have pre- marital counseling. Therefore essentials like communication, how to argue fairly, how to fulfill your role in the marriage are all being missed.Then once there is a marriage problem, who do you go to for help? Very few churches are any help in that area. My sister is in an emotionally and mentally abusive marriage. When they went to their pastor for help he told them to "fight naked then you'll no longer be angry with each other." While this may be a cute response, my BIL was bashing holes in the wall, busting phones and computers and at one point threw all of her clothes in the yard and told her to get the F out of the house. 20 yrs later she's still with him, against my advice. Her reason for staying? She loves him. And I believe her. No one would take the abuse my sister has taken for that long if she didn't genuinely love him. So it seems women are quite capable of love, very deep love, but we do have our limits. Don't pee on us and tell us it's raining (not you) Women know many times in their heart of hearts what's going on, and they hold on for as long as they can. Everyone has a breaking point. None of this means some woman can't have an affair, be unloving or abusive of course. But what the OP is trying to assert is utter nonsense. My own sister is proof.

Not saying this is true of your sister, but some women stay in an abusive relationship due
to deep-seated feelings of unworthiness combined with unhealthy co-dependency issues.

 

[GdaxBbb]

You brought up the cause of divorce. You must be divorced or about to get one because you are an abusive person. Gaslighting which is what you have done here is an abuse tactic.
I think I see something of a trend. Your wife doesn't love you because the many years of abuse, and you are here gaslighting her.

You sexually abused your children and your wife it’s the only reason they stay with you.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

You sexually abused your children and your wife it’s the only reason they stay with you.

Looks like I must have hit home.

 

[GdaxBbb]

You might be missing the point people are making.

You brought up the statistics issue of women divorcing men - as evidence women are unloving.

What about say policemen chasing down criminals. Are the police the bad guys because they are the ones who react to the crime and take action?

Now. I like guys, I know lots of nice ones. But in these replies people are using generalisations simply to show yours up for what it is. Wrong.

Here is why your logic is flawed.

Many men are not loving towards women, wives partners whatever.

Many men are violent and controlling and many women divorce to get away from not only unloving, but abusive behaviour.

Many women in domestic abuse situations stick it out a long time hoping the man will change. Why? Because they love him.

As for marital unfaithfulness. Another cause of many divorces... It is only recently, in our feminism fuelled society that women have started fighting back and have now (sadly) begun to bridge the gap on the stats of men committing adultery.

Look at the stats Worldwide on single
Mums where the man walks out and leaves the mum and the kids to fend for themselves. You will find that is much higher than the woman doing the same to her husband and children.

Paul brought this whole issue up because for centuries women have been, still are in many places, treated by fathers and spouses as possessions. Paul taught people what they didn’t know or where not doing well. Husbands love your wives. (Why do they need to be told if it is so instinctively natural for men as you say? He is more likely saying - Do it despite how unnecessarily you have been raised to believe it is.)

And. women. Honour your husbands - (Would that not need to be taught because women had good reason to be bitter? Was Paul not saying in reality - do if although they May struggle to love you as they aught. Although for centuries women have been second rate in mens eyes and even treated as badly as slaves in many cases.)

Common-sense would say is not hard to honour a kind and loving man. It would also say look at why they are divorcing men... assuming they must be the sinner is like assuming all cops are bad because they arrest criminals.

Sure women are to blame - probably as often as men are - for the downfall of marriages. But none of us have anything like true pure love, not unless we have an abundant supply of the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

All men and women in the fall have deceitful hearts that love and prioritise themselves and sin, over others and holiness. But all men and women do still have instinctively a lower level love for family and friends that is flawed because of sin, but still there in a measure.

Trust in no man. Only trust in God. Neither sex has the monopoly on true love, but both can be equally as loving with His Spirit at work in them.

Please - Rethink your logic.

You hit a few points since most people on here can’t read.

Both men and woman are equally incapable of long term capacity for true love.

Out of the small % of both men and woman, it seems men in that category can maintain that capacity from within.

Whereas woman from that category seem to be reliant on the man majority of the time. If they have to rely on their own will lower their capacity seems like it might be lower.

Queue the random off point dribble in 3.2.1

 

[GdaxBbb]

Looks like I must have hit home.

No you’re just a pedophile who gaslights your whole family.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

No you’re just a pedophile who gaslights your whole family.

As absurd as your op.

 

[GdaxBbb]

As absurd as your op.

Don’t get upset about your deep rooted homosexuality from your uncle.

Can’t handle baseless accusations much? You seemed so good at dishing them out.

Guess you and majority of others enjoy having beams in your eyes, which is typical didn’t expect an online forum of Christians to be any better than the current day church that destroys and tears each other down.

 

[GdaxBbb]

What’s quite funny is I had no leaning in either direction actually disputed the main argument of red pill, offspring.

But the way majority of you reacted makes it seem there might def. be some deeper truth behind it.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Mgtow has nothing to do with a woman's ability to love. That movement is about societal differences perceived as favoritism in the political system.
I personally do not agree with any sociopolitical identity group, it's all rubbish. But I don't seek my justification from societal standards. I rely on Jesus for that.

 

[Blain]

Well looks he is banned can't say I didn't see this coming, this kind of toxic and downright hateful judgmental kind of talk is unacceptable and I am actually relieved he is gone. Lets just hope he doesn't come back under another username but at least we know what signs to look for if he does.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

If men and women engage in relationships in a biblical fashion, societal standards would not matter. Divorce would be miniscule and broken homes rare. Men must study the Bible about what it means to be a husband and women like wise about being a wife. The church must reinforce this and teach it. Then there wod be no battle of the sexes.
The curses in Genesis is to people in their sinful state, there is no condemnation and thus no curses on the who are in Christ. However we subject ourselves to the curse when we act outside of God's will and directive toward each other.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Mgtow has nothing to do with a woman's ability to love. That movement is about societal differences perceived as favoritism in the political system.
I personally do not agree with any sociopolitical identity group, it's all rubbish. But I don't seek my justification from societal standards. I rely on Jesus for that.

It's quite interesting, none of us here even - to my knowledge - no one attacked mgtow. Seems most of us understand that there are some valid complaints in mgtow mixed up with some straight up hateful individuals which make the movement toxic. Yet he complained about supposed bias. I guess if you're not fawning over some people and validating 100% of their opinions, you're biased and "reacting".

 

[tourist]

You sexually abused your children and your wife it’s the only reason they stay with you.

Nutcase. Banville.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Guess you and majority of others enjoy having beams in your eyes, which is typical didn’t expect an online forum of Christians to be any better than the current day church that destroys and tears each other down.

or, "that tears women down," did you mean??







[as for believers (both men AND women): "And hope does not make us ashamed, because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, the One having been given to us." Romans 5:5 (doesn't mean we can't quench the Spirit, at times, eh?)]

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It's quite interesting, none of us here even - to my knowledge - no one attacked mgtow. Seems most of us understand that there are some valid complaints in mgtow mixed up with some straight up hateful individuals which make the movement toxic. Yet he complained about supposed bias. I guess if you're not fawning over some people and validating 100% of their opinions, you're biased and "reacting".

Usually these movements do have some valid concerns. Sadly they are most often usurped by extremists and they destroy the conversation.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

So I just heard that an old friend of mine, (a pastor of a church)... His wife died today. She wasn't feeling well and didn't go to church this morning. I guess he found her when he got home.
I don't know the whole story I got it second hand, as I live 3 hours away.
Anyway I thought of this thread. I can guarantee that we a man is in his position he doesn't doubt the love his wife had for him, he only misses that love dearly, and regrets not harvesting all the love that she had for him. That's all I can imagine right now.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Well when you accuse your "opponents" of rather unsavory or even heinous behaviors, that's evidence that you've lost the argument.

Yahshua has made some rather insightful (and much needed, I might add) posts.

I'll add my thoughts:

To use examples from the Bible, so many women focus on men such as: David (with regard to Bathsheba), Nabal, Adam, Ahab, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Esau, Cain, Ammon, Nimrod, etc.

And men focus on women such as: Jezebel, Eve, Job's wife, Michal (one of David's wives), Delilah, Herodias, Vashti, etc.

Neither group stops to fully realize that WE ARE ALL SINNERS IN NEED OF A SAVIOR.

That Savior is none other than Christ Jesus Himself (Acts 4:12).

 

[NotmebutHim]

Oh, and I do agree with Red Pill philosophy and MGTOW generally. Not on every single point, though.