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If it quacks like a YEC, it's usually a YEC.
Didn't you respond positively to Tintin when he linked to ICR, AIG, and CMI and he said they are great websites? Didn't you said that they are really good? Only a YEC would say that about such propaganda and misrepresentation.
Didn't you say that evolution is anti-bible? That is YEC drivel. What other Christians make statements like that? Not Billy Graham.
Billy Graham said:
"I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God."
Didn't you respond positively to Tintin when he linked to ICR, AIG, and CMI and he said they are great websites? Didn't you said that they are really good? Only a YEC would say that about such propaganda and misrepresentation.
Didn't you say that evolution is anti-bible? That is YEC drivel. What other Christians make statements like that? Not Billy Graham.
Billy Graham said:
"I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God."
ok, but this article is for anyone who wants an interesting read.....I will also post the link to the video...
The video is on youtube and has this summary. article
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The video is on youtube and has this summary. article
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I posted the definition for your benefit. You are the one who said Billy Graham isn't a serious theologian.
He seems pretty serious about the study of God and God's relation to the world (see definition of theology) to me.
Originally Posted by JackH
Definition of theology according toMirriam-Webster: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience : the study of God and God's relation to the world.
It seems to me that Billy Graham was pretty serious about explaining God's relation to the world such that millions of people have accepted the invitation at his crusades to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
He seems pretty serious about the study of God and God's relation to the world (see definition of theology) to me.
Originally Posted by JackH
Definition of theology according toMirriam-Webster: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience : the study of God and God's relation to the world.
It seems to me that Billy Graham was pretty serious about explaining God's relation to the world such that millions of people have accepted the invitation at his crusades to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
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you do not seem to get it at all. I used an example of an animal dying, and immediately getting covered with sediment. forming a fossil in the sediment, which is how most fossils are formed. And now you want to make me mean those are the ONLY type of fossils.
We have human and dino footprints fossils in the same area, But that does not matter with as you say "one issue" at a time. You still have the probem with how the fossil (whatever type it is) is formed.
We have human and dino footprints fossils in the same area, But that does not matter with as you say "one issue" at a time. You still have the probem with how the fossil (whatever type it is) is formed.
1. Being anti-evolution doesn't necessarily mean a person is, or is not, YEC...
this supports my supposition that you know very little about theology.
2. Wow, you've gone back and looked at lots of my comments, and even my LIKES!
WOW!!
WOWEE!!
IT'S LIKE YOU WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME!
I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THIS THIS ATTENTION!!
I'M FLATTERED!
If you're going to ask me out... you should know that I already have a girlfriend.
this supports my supposition that you know very little about theology.
2. Wow, you've gone back and looked at lots of my comments, and even my LIKES!
WOW!!
WOWEE!!
IT'S LIKE YOU WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME!
I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THIS THIS ATTENTION!!
I'M FLATTERED!
If you're going to ask me out... you should know that I already have a girlfriend.
No, I'm not an atheist.
Do you have to believe in a 6,000-year-old world to be a Christian?
I'm surprised you didn't post links to ICR, AIG, and CMI again, for the thousandth time. And say, "These are great websites" like you did before. And then Maxwel could say they are "real good" like he did before.
The judge in Kitzmiller v. Dover sure didn't think much of your pseudo-scientific YEC types, who he said misrepresented science in his decision.
Does your homeboy Ken Ham have his $73 million Noah's ark thing built yet?
I bet your real anxious to go for a ride, and pet a real T-rex.
Do you have to believe in a 6,000-year-old world to be a Christian?
I'm surprised you didn't post links to ICR, AIG, and CMI again, for the thousandth time. And say, "These are great websites" like you did before. And then Maxwel could say they are "real good" like he did before.
The judge in Kitzmiller v. Dover sure didn't think much of your pseudo-scientific YEC types, who he said misrepresented science in his decision.
Does your homeboy Ken Ham have his $73 million Noah's ark thing built yet?
I bet your real anxious to go for a ride, and pet a real T-rex.
Yeah, it took me 2 minutes to search "evolution" with your name and find that post of yours, and Tintin's was right above it.
Not that I doubted what you said on this thread. (cough). What you said on the other thread, however, does shed considerable light on the matter.
What do you know about theology, or science?
Well, let's find out.
How old is the earth?
Should the Septuagint or the Masoretic Text be used to determine the chronologies? Or neither? If neither, then what?
Not that I doubted what you said on this thread. (cough). What you said on the other thread, however, does shed considerable light on the matter.
What do you know about theology, or science?
Well, let's find out.
How old is the earth?
Should the Septuagint or the Masoretic Text be used to determine the chronologies? Or neither? If neither, then what?
Billy Graham is an evangelist. I also have a lot of issues with his methods, as they promote easy-believism. When I attended one of his crusades back in 1984, I was part of the follow up for those who had made "decisions." Of the group of 100 we were given, who signed cards and lived near us, not one single person followed through and went on to follow Christ.
I think part of the reason for this, is that Billy Graham is lacking a lot in the theological study department. To properly be a theologian, you need to have advanced degrees, usually Ph.D's and also post doc work. Published papers on the study of God, etc, etc. Billy Graham has none of those scholarly qualifications. And yes, being a theologian means being a scholar.
Jack, you have yet to answer my objections to evolution on a theological basis. That being that in order to need a second Adam, or Jesus, you need to have a first Adam, who sinned. I'll put it as simply as I can, one more time. (I posted the Scriptures a long time ago somewhere in this thread - Romans 5:12-21, 1 Cor. 15:20-28. This is supposed to be the Bible Discussion Forum)
First Adam - Adam - brought sin into the world
Second Adam - Jesus - paid the price for sin.
I think part of the reason for this, is that Billy Graham is lacking a lot in the theological study department. To properly be a theologian, you need to have advanced degrees, usually Ph.D's and also post doc work. Published papers on the study of God, etc, etc. Billy Graham has none of those scholarly qualifications. And yes, being a theologian means being a scholar.
Jack, you have yet to answer my objections to evolution on a theological basis. That being that in order to need a second Adam, or Jesus, you need to have a first Adam, who sinned. I'll put it as simply as I can, one more time. (I posted the Scriptures a long time ago somewhere in this thread - Romans 5:12-21, 1 Cor. 15:20-28. This is supposed to be the Bible Discussion Forum)
First Adam - Adam - brought sin into the world
Second Adam - Jesus - paid the price for sin.
Let's ask YOU some question.
1. Do you believe Jesus was a real person?
2. Do you believe Jesus was God incarnated in the flesh, and he was born of a virgin?
3. Do you believe Jesus died on the cross, then was physically resurrected after death?
4. Do you believe YOU are a sinner, and your sin has separated you from God?
5. Do you believe Christ's death on the cross was to pay for YOUR sin?
6. Have you accepted Christ as YOUR savior, and accepted his atoning death as the substitutionary payment for YOUR sin?
I'll get to the other part of your post in the near future.
Is Dr. Kent Hovind a "real" theologian? I have seen numerous individuals in these forums use him as an example of sound theological thinking.
I'm not a huge fan of Billy Graham either. I used him as an example of a Christian everybody knows who does not think there is a conflict between science and the bible. I have also used the Pope as such an example. Of course, in these forums that prompts an extremely adverse reaction. But the Pope does have some scientists with very impressive credentials working for him.
In my opinion a Ph.D. and published work in reputable journals are far more important in scientific fields.
There are no YEC Ph.Ds with published work in reputable journals on the subjects of evolution and related matters that I am aware of. That was pointed out by the judge in Kitzmiller v. Dover. I doubt you will find anything published by a YEC scientist in a reputable journal providing evidence for a 6,000-year-old world. But I'd love to see such, if anybody can furnish a link.
Is Dr. Kent Hovind a "real" theologian? I have seen numerous individuals in these forums use him as an example of sound theological thinking.
I'm not a huge fan of Billy Graham either. I used him as an example of a Christian everybody knows who does not think there is a conflict between science and the bible. I have also used the Pope as such an example. Of course, in these forums that prompts an extremely adverse reaction. But the Pope does have some scientists with very impressive credentials working for him.
In my opinion a Ph.D. and published work in reputable journals are far more important in scientific fields.
There are no YEC Ph.Ds with published work in reputable journals on the subjects of evolution and related matters that I am aware of. That was pointed out by the judge in Kitzmiller v. Dover. I doubt you will find anything published by a YEC scientist in a reputable journal providing evidence for a 6,000-year-old world. But I'd love to see such, if anybody can furnish a link.
I agree with Bowman.
Bowman has demonstrated he has an excellent understanding of this and related issues, in my opinion.
I just noticed that Bowman challenged you on this here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/66395-young-earth-vs-old-earth-does-matter-5.html
I don't see where anybody effectively refuted what he said on this, or that the Hebrew word for day can mean an epoch of time.
I noticed this thread because a new user named Elysian brought the thread back up after it had been dormant for more than a year. Elysian also said, "Yes it does matter, our entire salvation hinges on a young earth" and more.
It's a short thread, only 5 pages. At least for now.
Bowman has demonstrated he has an excellent understanding of this and related issues, in my opinion.
I just noticed that Bowman challenged you on this here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/66395-young-earth-vs-old-earth-does-matter-5.html
I don't see where anybody effectively refuted what he said on this, or that the Hebrew word for day can mean an epoch of time.
I noticed this thread because a new user named Elysian brought the thread back up after it had been dormant for more than a year. Elysian also said, "Yes it does matter, our entire salvation hinges on a young earth" and more.
It's a short thread, only 5 pages. At least for now.
Nobody alive today was there when Jesus was crucified or rose.
You can't give an approximated date for that?
Most fossils are approximately the same date?
What date?
There are dinosaur fossils found in Montana that are 100 million years old. There are also dinosaur fossils found in Montana that are 66 to 70 million years old.
Explain that.
You can't give an approximated date for that?
Most fossils are approximately the same date?
What date?
There are dinosaur fossils found in Montana that are 100 million years old. There are also dinosaur fossils found in Montana that are 66 to 70 million years old.
Explain that.
1. I have never seen a genuine Christian deny his faith.
2. I have never seen a genuine Christian hide his faith.
3. There is NO REASON for a genuine Christian to deny or hide his faith.
I think we'd all enjoy seeing you take a bold stand for the faith you claim...
the faith you claim right in your profile.
Please, go ahead.
We're all listening brother.
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