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JesusIsAll

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I think we hijack it with sarcasm and good happy fun stuff whilst protecting the bruised reeds and being "contagious Christians"!
You know, this really is a good point in more ways. It does come down to where there's a lot you can't any longer take seriously, things that don't change, day to day, week to week, nothing actually said not already said. May as well get some sort of mileage out of it, if only a joke.
 

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Do we ignore them when they have their own "radio program?" Or do we ignore them when they have their commercials on other people's threads? Or both?

To tell you the truth, I do ignore their threads. The problem with ignoring them on other threads is someone is guaranteed to be new enough not to know this is a homospiritual so take offense, and then the thread gets wrapped around that tangent.
It's interesting to me, and I could be wrong, that Jesus didn't spend a lot, if any, time in going after the Pharisees. He just did what He was supposed to do--He preached God's Word, He spent time with "sinners"', and the people He DID go out of His way to interact with (the Samaritan woman, the 10 lepers, etc.) were all deemed the worst of the worst by the rest of society.

Now, Jesus DID interact with the Pharisees when they came after Him to trap Him or when He encountered them at the temple (but again, to my knowledge, He was not actively pursuing them to minister to them, He was just there at the same time, preaching and teaching.)

Rather, Jesus pretty much told it how it was or how it would be for the Pharisees ("Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees!" "You brood of vipers, you whitewashed tombs!") and then left them alone, because He knew they were already set in their minds. There was no convincing them. Jesus stated the truth and nothing more. And when they rejected what He had to say, He moved on to minister to other people.

Which I think is the proper example of how we are to react to such people as well.

Even God Himself told Samuel (regarding Saul, whom he loved), "How long are you going to cry over this guy? He's made up his mind. Let it go and let's move on, because I have someone else I want you to work with."

I often feel that way too, as if God is saying, "Don't worry about this one, I'll take care of it. You just keep going and move on to the next person I'm sending you to."
 
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The sad thing about this thread, is that the people who need to read it and hear the message are not engaging.

I guess we will just have to keep at it in their favourite threads. You know, the ones where they endlessly post the same cut and paste verses with their opinions of the out of context verses.

their opinions of the out of context verses.

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There's an endless selection!
 
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Sirk

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You know, this really is a good point in more ways. It does come down to where there's a lot you can't any longer take seriously, things that don't change, day to day, week to week, nothing actually said not already said. May as well get some sort of mileage out of it, if only a joke.
Jesus laughed too...probably at the pharisees more than anything. Why..... they were all puffed up and self righteous...wearing their purple robes and poking out their chests because of their greatness and righteousness. How can you not laugh at that and at people that take themselves so seriously? I'm the chief knucklehead and when I point out the knuckleheadedness in others....my own is at the forefront of my thoughts as well. lol
 
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JesusIsAll

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I often feel that way too, as if God is saying, "Don't worry about this one, I'll take care of it. You just keep going and move on to the next person I'm sending you to."
Nobody would have gotten saved, had the apostles camped out and made a career of those who reject the gospel. I know I'm guilty of just fooling around, enough, as salvation is God's spiritual work, anyway, not an unceasing debate matter. You don't talk somebody into responding to the deep conviction of the Holy Spirit in their heart: if that Spirit, the power of God, is not enough, our rhetorical skills aren't needed.
 
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Rosesrock

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Jesus laughed too...probably at the pharisees more than anything. Why..... they were all puffed up and self righteous...wearing their purple robes and poking out their chests because of their greatness and righteousness. How can you not laugh at that and at people that take themselves so seriously? I'm the chief knucklehead and when I point out the knuckleheadedness in others....my own is at the forefront of my thoughts as well. lol
Phew that was close, yes jesus laughed.

I have a friend who once said...I'd rather be a pharisee than an all you can see.

Ill also add that friendships are built and some use humor to connect or gain a mutual window.
 
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atwhatcost

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VERY significant.

I was a "Christian" by means of mental assent and obtained knowledge... logical deduction, if you will. I was raised a Baptist, and absorbed many of their esoteric hang-ups. Then I "doubled-down", and joined the Church of Christ for my graduate work, where I got even "sounder" and "sounder" and "sounder" , sinking into the indoctrination of man's religion, and our perceived necessity to act, be, and look a certain way, in order to qualify as a "TRUE" Christian.

Then, after decades of this solid" teaching and living, a series of events had my wife and me looking for a church to attend that would match our expanding awareness of why Jesus walked this Earth. We probably attended two dozen different churches, of several denominations... even stayed at some for half a year, or so.... (One, Calvinistic place, about three years.)

I actually ran across The Vineyard because of all the naysayers I saw calling it a "cult." This piqued my interest (admittedly, just my humanistic desire for sensationalism kicking in... I wanted to make fun of them, too) But, as it turned out, when I got past all the "Haters" online, I found their genuine website. Dang! They seemed to read the Bible the same way I did, and believed in many of the same things I had come to understand as God's will. We had to go see for ourselves.

Well, there is only ONE Vineyard in all of the huge city I live in... it was a no-brainer as to which one to check out.

So we went....... and almost decided to never darken their doors again.

As "fate?" would have it, they were having a guest "band" and the leader was the preacher that day. Uggg! I hated it. My wife hated it. But something kept telling us to go back. We did. What a difference!

I think God might have been saying to us stuck-in-the-past worshipers of religion, "You ready to see why I sent My Son... or are you satisfied with the same sort of thing the Jews had perfected for themselves?" We were ready.

We immediately joined a "Grace" book study group. My eyes opened like I had never even known Christianity before. Two months into the study, I had a stroke that the doctors said should have killed me on the spot. But, in the hospital, where I was for a month, they never did a thing to me. No pills, no shots, no operation... nothing. Just "studied" me.

Well, about half way through the month, I was reading in bed (had the room to myself) somewhere after midnight, when I became aware of a "presence" sitting in the chair at the foot of my bed. Never really "saw" Him, nor had a verbal conversation with Him, but we shared three nights of just an "understood" sort of relating. And that was it.

From that night, forward, I knew that I had finally found what I thought I already had for all those years (three decades)
If I had a choice in gods, I'd pick the always-happy-to-see-me, likes-everybody, sends-everybody-to-heaven, never-ever-wrathful, kumbaya, peace-loving, wouldn't-hurt-a-fly, and makes-everybody-millionaires god.

Since I know that about me and know there is no such god, I've had to steer clear of what I want in him, and work toward figuring out what he wants. And then I had to find a church always looking for the real God too.

I wasted decades (28 years) in churches that thought like me. And sadly, most of the people we really liked and thought were Christians in those churches have since gone on to find new-and-improved gods.

Now I'm still working on learning who the one and only God is.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Phew that was close, yes jesus laughed.

I have a friend who once said...I'd rather be a pharisee than an all you can see.

Ill also add that friendships are built and some use humor to connect or gain a mutual window.
Could you perhaps rephrase that Pharisee part in genuine frontier gibberish or something? You lost me, though that's easy to do.
 
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Rosesrock

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Could you perhaps rephrase that Pharisee part in genuine frontier gibberish or something? You lost me, though that's easy to do.
Sorry, we were having a youth conference with dresscode and um, some just came immodestly dressed.
 
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JesusIsAll

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If I had a choice in gods, I'd pick the always-happy-to-see-me, likes-everybody, sends-everybody-to-heaven, never-ever-wrathful, kumbaya, peace-loving, wouldn't-hurt-a-fly, and makes-everybody-millionaires god.

Since I know that about me and know there is no such god, I've had to steer clear of what I want in him, and work toward figuring out what he wants. And then I had to find a church always looking for the real God too.

I wasted decades (28 years) in churches that thought like me. And sadly, most of the people we really liked and thought were Christians in those churches have since gone on to find new-and-improved gods.

Now I'm still working on learning who the one and only God is.
Tell you what, nobody in their right mind wants a God who would wink at evil, singing some ecumenical kumbaya! Our worthy God is, first and foremost, Holy, and we can all be infinitely grateful He is that Holy God!
 
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atwhatcost

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It's about every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, rightly divided. As to those who have rejected the rightness of Jesus, in their face, every waking day, one must conclude a demonstration of the rightness of Jesus, and He alone, holds no water with them.
Um, huh? (Sorry. I've read this three times, and don't get it. Can you reword?)
 

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Jesus laughed too...probably at the pharisees more than anything. Why..... they were all puffed up and self righteous...wearing their purple robes and poking out their chests because of their greatness and righteousness. How can you not laugh at that and at people that take themselves so seriously? I'm the chief knucklehead and when I point out the knuckleheadedness in others....my own is at the forefront of my thoughts as well. lol
Care to back that with scripture. For l am here to discuss scripture. We all need to talk about how l see scripture. In other words, l am here to discuss scripture, and how you don't see scripture like how you need to see scripture.

Anyways, after you realize that l just insulted you, may the Lords light shine greatly upon you.....that is, if you can get any light,
Because?....,..ya know, ...... the Lords glorious light is mainly meant for me.

If anyone thinks this is making fun.
Why? Do l resemble someone?
Stop judging me. :p This is how l spread the truth.
 
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Sirk

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Phew that was close, yes jesus laughed.

I have a friend who once said...I'd rather be a pharisee than an all you can see.

Ill also add that friendships are built and some use humor to connect or gain a mutual window.
The overly spiritual types...and I've said this before on this site.....do a great disservice to people who are broken and hurting and need the saving grace of Jesus. They do this by denying our "humanness"....the fact that we are both biological and spiritual beings. God made us that way and as you said before...It was VERY good.

So what does the biological side of us entail? We were created with very distinct regions in our brains that carry out various functions. From the base of our brains which carry our involuntary functions, to the middle part of our brains which is the "emotional' seat to the prefrontal cortex that "some" people use occasionally to reason with. To discount every single problem in life as spiritual right out of the gate, is like putting a scarlet letter on someone and taking away their value as a human being.
 
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Sirk

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Care to back that with scripture. For l am here to discuss scripture. We all need to talk about how l see scripture. In other words, l am here to discuss scripture, and how you don't see scripture like how you need to see scripture.

Anyways, after you realize that l just insulted you, may the Lords light shine greatly upon you.....that is, if you can get any light,
Because?....,..ya know, ...... the Lords glorious light is mainly meant for me.

If anyone thinks this is making fun.
Why? Do l resemble someone?
Stop judging me. :p This is how l spread the truth.
The only thing I got is that God created man and it was very good.....implied in that is a sense of humor.....or is humor just a sin brought on cuz of the fall?....lol
 
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atwhatcost

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A little question, how many people understand emotional intelligence?

One idea you could express this is with being happy with the skin you are in.
The problem is on both sides of the fence, faith can be a reason for running away from yourself or facing up to yourself.
The people who I have most problems with show all the signs of the running away option.

I think it is impossible to have a pure heart if you do not know what is actually in your heart to start with.
Emotions are greatly related to eye color. Both are just things about us, but neither can tell us anything about intelligent levels. I don't run away from either. I simply accept that they're a part of me and go about what I was trying to accomplish.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Um, huh? (Sorry. I've read this three times, and don't get it. Can you reword?)
The gospel is about the righteousness of Jesus Christ, imputed to us by grace in faith, His work alone of merit, He alone fulfilling the law, not about any inherent righteousness we perceive we are going to perform to, as if, juice the Lord's anemic work. We, as Christians in the flesh, are not righteous, ever, in our own merit. The fact of the rightness, of Christ alone, escapes many here, every day. The simple gospel is clear all our righteousness is filthy rags, in the presence of Holy God, and it's only a grave humility and awareness of that holiness the Holy Spirit impresses on the true believer, which is the opposite of pride of life and self righteousness displayed by some people posting in the forum. Such people who don't know God this way, or themselves, in relation to God? It's hard pressed such a one could be saved, who doesn't grasp the most fundamental truth of the cross.
 

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The only thing I got is that God created man and it was very good.....implied in that is a sense of humor.....or is humor just a sin brought on cuz of the fall?....lol
Funny. You should ask that?
When there were threads about humor and if Jesus used it, the forum is divided.... once again.

He was here for quite some time, it'd be silly to think He only spoke in parables when asking someone to pass the ketchup.
 
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Rosesrock

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The only thing I got is that God created man and it was very good.....implied in that is a sense of humor.....or is humor just a sin brought on cuz of the fall?....lol
If so, I need more forgiveness than once thought