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Well friend I don't find anything in the word of God that says where demons came from. Jesus is the only person in the Word of God who used the term " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and it was in context to say the work of God was done by a devil.
The word spirit means breath. The word devils, which is another word for demons, means lies. So what do you think an evil spirit is?

Look even in the end the old dragon will use the same trick, he'll give his great power, which is the power of the Lies, to the man of sin and the idol of the beast. There are three of them. They are the spirit of devils. That's the demons.

Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 

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The word spirit means breath. The word devils, which is another word for demons, means lies. So what do you think an evil spirit is?

Look even in the end the old dragon will use the same trick, he'll give his great power, which is the power of the Lies to the man of sin and the idol of the beast. There are three of them. They are the spirit of devils. That's the demons.

Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

No sir, I'm sorry but that is allegorizing the word of God. A biblical study of the Holy Spirit is known as the Doctrine of pneumatology in Hebrew is known as "Ruach".

the breath of Life, Eternal life comes from God who IS Spirit. Jesus spoke about this to Nicodemus in the Gospel of John chapter 3.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a sin to the Person of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said. That is done by saying those who do the word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit were done by a devil. The word of God doesn't tell us where demons came from. The word is not in the Old Testament but the evil spirit is. The Breath of God is speaking of HIS ability to be everywhere and you know he is working ( the Holy Spirit) Because you see His effects as Jesus told Nicodemus.

If Jesus is the only one who used the term " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit " in scripture should we not keep it in the context where it is found?
 
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No sir, I'm sorry but that is allegorizing the word of God. A biblical study of the Holy Spirit is known as the Doctrine of pneumatology in Hebrew is known as "Ruach".

the breath of Life, Eternal life comes from God who IS Spirit. Jesus spoke about this to Nicodemus in the Gospel of John chapter 3.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a sin to the Person of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said. That is done by saying those who do the word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit were done by a devil. The word of God doesn't tell us where demons came from. The word is not in the Old Testament but the evil spirit is. The Breath of God is speaking of HIS ability to be everywhere and you know he is working ( the Holy Spirit) Because you see His effects as Jesus told Nicodemus.

If Jesus is the only one who used the term " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit " in scripture should we not keep it in the context where it is found?
The Bible absolutely tells you where the demons come from. It's the Three Lies, the the three unclean spirits in the mouth of Satan. We even know the dragon gives his power to the Man of Sin and the idol which is in the image of the beast.

Look in the Garden, we know Satan is the serpent from scriptures, we know he's father of sin, the first sinner, the first murderer, and the father of lies. We know he is an animal that was made by God. We even see him break his breath into the Three Lies and cast them into the woman. The woman is the first possession, we are shown that she is possessed because we are shown what she is thinking.

The context Jesus is speaking to them in is they claim Jesus is casting out devils by power of devils, which is insane. Jesus then tells them Satan cannot fight his own kingdom, and he tells them that the blasphemy of Holy Spirit is unforgiveable sin.
 

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The Bible absolutely tells you where the demons come from. It's the Three Lies, the the three unclean spirits in the mouth of Satan. We even know the dragon gives his power to the Man of Sin and the idol which is in the image of the beast.

Look in the Garden, we know Satan is the serpent from scriptures, we know he's father of sin, the first sinner, the first murderer, and the father of lies. We know he is an animal that was made by God. We even see him break his breath into the Three Lies and cast them into the woman. The woman is the first possession, we are shown that she is possessed because we are shown what she is thinking.

The context Jesus is speaking to them in is they claim Jesus is casting out devils by power of devils, which is insane. Jesus then tells them Satan cannot fight his own kingdom, and he tells them that the blasphemy of Holy Spirit is unforgiveable sin.
the word of God tells us the nature of the evil spirit and its attributes the origin is not Satan was and is created being that has many names in context to his nature after he fell. You will not find anything in the word of God that says Demons came from or they were made by. If the bible is silent on its how can we say for sure it is so? I do not think we can :)
 
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the word of God tells us the nature of the evil spirit and its attributes the origin is not Satan was and is created being that has many names in context to his nature after he fell. You will not find anything in the word of God that says Demons came from or they were made by. If the bible is silent on its how can we say for sure it is so? I do not think we can :)
The serpent only has two names really; Satan and Devil. Well how'd he fall? By telling the Three Lies! The Bible is not silent on this matter it tells you bluntly what the spirit of devils is, I already posted it twice for you. Ruminate on it a lil bit. Read Genesis 3 also.
 

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#86
It's very specifically for the clergy how it is set up, again because besides their mundane tasks remember they and their wives are a living symbol of Christ and the Bride.

It is very important that women return to their God ordained roles. Not only is this clear in the Bible, but just look, they have tried to go against God's way in our dark and evil time today to great disaster and doing everything wrong. This is very important.

As for Judaism, no, it is wholly a lie. Judaism is closer to what these modern people are doing.
You know likening it to Christ and the bride is a very convincing way of putting it. In fact you are the only person to have gotten me to consider changing my view on this matter, at the very least I am considering it as it does make sense.
 

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The serpent only has two names really; Satan and Devil. Well how'd he fall? By telling the Three Lies! The Bible is not silent on this matter it tells you bluntly what the spirit of devils is, I already posted it twice for you. Ruminate on it a lil bit. Read Genesis 3 also.
REV 12 says :

The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. he is also called Lusifer

From what we see in scripture the five I will is a good start.
found in Isaiah 14:13- 14:

1) "I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN."
2) "I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD."
3) "I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION."
4) "I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS."
5) "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."

He wanted to be EQUAL with God and to take God’s place as Possessor and Ruler of all. He wanted to become a completely independent creature, responsible to no one.
 
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You know likening it to Christ and the bride is a very convincing way of putting it. In fact you are the only person to have gotten me to consider changing my view on this matter, at the very least I am considering it as it does make sense.
Well don't change your view because of me, change your view because it's true. The Bible does say the same thing about Christ and the Bride being the Church, hence how marriage is supposed to be even outside of just the clergy.
 
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REV 12 says :

The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. he is also called Lusifer

From what we see in scripture the five I will is a good start.
found in Isaiah 14:13- 14:

1) "I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN."
2) "I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD."
3) "I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION."
4) "I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS."
5) "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."

He wanted to be EQUAL with God and to take God’s place as Possessor and Ruler of all. He wanted to become a completely independent creature, responsible to no one.
Revelation 12 has not happened yet.

Isaiah 14 isn't even about Satan, it's about the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar.
 

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Revelation 12 has not happened yet.

Isaiah 14 isn't even about Satan, it's about the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar.
the name for satans are there which speak to his actions and nature :)
 

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Well don't change your view because of me, change your view because it's true. The Bible does say the same thing about Christ and the Bride being the Church, hence how marriage is supposed to be even outside of just the clergy.
I won't change my view on this unless I know for sure God wants me to. Right now it is not something that on my priority list but if i were liken it to anything i would say it is like a spark it has my interest so if he leads us to all truths then surely he will lead me to the truth regardless if that means i change my view on this or not.
 

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Revelation 12 has not happened yet.

Isaiah 14 isn't even about Satan, it's about the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar.
I'm sorry what? have you studied bible prophecy before? Surely your either new to it or you just haven't studied it before right?
 
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I won't change my view on this unless I know for sure God wants me to. Right now it is not something that on my priority list but if i were liken it to anything i would say it is like a spark it has my interest so if he leads us to all truths then surely he will lead me to the truth regardless if that means i change my view on this or not.
You will learn many interesting things understanding the proper role of man and woman, the sacredness of marriage, and the nature of the Two Spiritual Kingdoms personified by two women.
 
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I'm sorry what? have you studied bible prophecy before? Surely your either new to it or you just haven't studied it before right?
I have read the entire Bible cover to cover multiple times. I understand it well.
 
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the name for satans are there which speak to his actions and nature :)
True indeed. The old serpent got the name Satan because of the curse of Enmity that God put on him and the name Devil for the Lies. Again Genesis 3 is really a very deep chapter.
 

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I have read the entire Bible cover to cover multiple times. I understand it well.
Hmm.... yes many can say the exact same thing in fact I have come across some who have degrees and are bible scholars yet they had no understanding of the scriptures they claimed to know so well. But it is far to early for me to be making any judgements on how well you understand the scriptures I will admit i was a bit shocked by your post about Isaiah 14 though.
 
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Hmm.... yes many can say the exact same thing in fact I have come across some who have degrees and are bible scholars yet they had no understanding of the scriptures they claimed to know so well. But it is far to early for me to be making any judgements on how well you understand the scriptures I will admit i was a bit shocked by your post about Isaiah 14 though.
Just because they have degrees does not mean they actually read the Bible. In fact most of those people know their doctrines that they made up themselves, and not the Bible. Which is kind of fitting actually because Jesus warned about them in the Bible.

As for Isaiah 14, why be shocked? Read Isaiah 14, it tells you who it is about right at the start. Son of man, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon it says.
 

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Just because they have degrees does not mean they actually read the Bible. In fact most of those people know their doctrines that they made up themselves, and not the Bible. Which is kind of fitting actually because Jesus warned about them in the Bible.

As for Isaiah 14, why be shocked? Read Isaiah 14, it tells you who it is about right at the start. Son of man, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon it says.
True they knew their doctrines alright they knew their verses but didn't understand the veerses and had no understanding of the things of God either
The reason i was shocked is because of how bible prophecy works in scripture often times scripture has a symbolism to it if you continue to read the chapter you see a lot of symbolism that resembles satans nautre which in bible prophecy foreshadows events in the future. Yes it is speaking of the king but it is also speaking of satan
 
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True they knew their doctrines alright they knew their verses but didn't understand the veerses and had no understanding of the things of God either
The reason i was shocked is because of how bible prophecy works in scripture often times scripture has a symbolism to it if you continue to read the chapter you see a lot of symbolism that resembles satans nautre which in bible prophecy foreshadows events in the future. Yes it is speaking of the king but it is also speaking of satan
A lot of the Bible is actual quite literal. There is symbolism, yes, but you cannot understand the symbol unless you understand the literal example it's based off of course.

And no Isaiah 14 is not about Satan at all, it's about the king of Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar, compare Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar to Isaiah 14, and you may see indeed.
 

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So has anyone ever blown on your face during a small prayer group and you fell ever too weak to stand? My friend witnessed this who is also visiting this church.