Ministry Of Deliverance

[CS1]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, and that's how the demons got created, that's what Satan did. Even the words devils means lies, hence why the serpent became called the Devil. He tells the same Three Lies over and over and over if you ever pay careful attention. He even tried to cast the same Three Lies against Jesus, who is the living truth, but of course Jesus did not fall for that. Also notice it's when the dragon broke his own breath of life (which is the spirit for the word spirit means breath) into the Three Lies he cast them into the woman's mind. She became possessed and we know this because she is now looking at the fruit all wrong. Why is she possessed? Well because she believed the lies, she obeyed Satan.

Where this becomes real obvious that the demons are the Three Lies is in Revelation.

Revelation 16:13-14

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

demons were created because of blasphemy? Interesting.

 

[Polar]

demons were created because of blasphemy? Interesting.

And that is why I at that post. Was news to me. A picture is worth 1000 words after all.

 

[Polar]

On earth as in heaven

It is also included in Jesus prayer. Should we run?

 

[Dino246]

What are we declaring?

The declaration can be as simple as, "I reject these words as the lies they are." It is speaking truth in place of a lie or error.

Curses of men seem to imply to speak evil of, as well as wish evil on someone. But it also doesn't imply by doing this as a human we can send demons to attack someone.

True, but the enemy will exploit any opportunity to attack a believer. In my experience, the "target" of the curse believes or accepts the curse, which gives the enemy the right of access to oppress the person.

 

[Dino246]

Genesis 3 (whole story is good, but the first verses show how the demons got created via the Three Lies told by Satan, and the first possession).

You give titles to many things that are not titled in Scripture, suggesting that you hold someone else's teaching above Scripture.

Demons didn't get "created" by any lies from Satan. I suggest you do some more homework.

 

[Blain]

No, not so. See how Paul says the same thing in the New Testament? It is very important the clergy adheres to this because besides their mundane tasks they are the representation of Jesus and the Bride.

I will give you for the sake of the arguement what Paul said about women not teaching or being in a position of authority as while I do believe God will use who he chooses to use it is true that in scripture it is always men who are teachers or in a position of authority, however I have issue with your other poinnts as they are not in the new testament only the old and they are in the old covanent not the new one that is where i draw the line.
You seem to have a very submissive view for women as if they are a second class citizen a lesser being as if simmply because you are a male you somehow are a higher class of person than them you also seem to have very strict rules for what makes a church a good fittting church a very old fashioned view in fact it almost resembles Judaism perfectly

 

[Edify]

What you thinking so far? Should I run? Stay? Am I acting in ignorance? Or should I take notice of my own discernment?

I think you're asking way too many questions for someone who takes their salvation seriously.
I think a serious christian would do his own investigation into spiritual things instead of asking people they don't know about things as serious as this.

 

[Edify]

Ever wonder why such writers like Neil Anderson are by themselves in ministry? Because who in their right mind would believe christians could be demon possessed? I wouldn't share services with anyone like that!

 

[Edify]

There is such a thing as deliverance in ministry, but not solely deliverance ministry. WHO would God send out to do nothing but deliverances of people in need, when SALVATION is at the top of His list?
Preach the Gospel & see people get delivered from the curse of sin!!

 

[CS1]

There is such a thing as deliverance in ministry, but not solely deliverance ministry. WHO would God send out to do nothing but deliverances of people in need, when SALVATION is at the top of His list?
Preach the Gospel & see people get delivered from the curse of sin!!

amen

 

[Roughsoul1991]

“What you thinking so far? Should I run? Stay? Am I acting in ignorance? Or should I take notice of my own discernment?”

I would suggest prayer and study about the matter scripture always tends to be able to help a believer of scriptures form and grasp concepts that become clear in scripture.

when we read thkngs like this it becomes a place to let become a worthwhile block to building a good understanding of our situation as born again spiritual people in a world full of flesh and wickedness, and the path to this set before us that we are called to believe and walk in as we grow in understanding and capacity and begin to walk by faith

so for instance

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that we are of God,

and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just as we believe in a Holy Spirit we cannot actually see with our eyes there in the world , evil spirits the spiritual powers of heaven that rebelled with the devil are also In the world constantly corrupting mans mind and heart through temptations that lead to sin and death.

when Jesus was taken to heaven after he had overcome sin , Satan ( who tries to destroy him on earth first before he could save man ) pursued him and a war in heaven was fought. But asatan and his followers lost and we’re cast out and barred from heaven ( just as man was barred from Eden after sin) these angels now are in earth but they are spirits and can’t actually participate in the natural creation unless they work through a man or beast who are part of the natural creation themselves.

So events like this sort of serve to open our eyes just a little bit if we believe it

“Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this sort of shows us spirits do inhabit people and act through people. Many examples exist in the gospels of demon possession . What it is is those heavenly spirits that fell when Jesus entered heaven in the war trying to live through us just as we are to let Christ and the hilt spirit live through us

evil spirits want to be in a man or beast to actually be able to exist in the creation and actually do evil in the natural. But the Holy Spirit is what keeps believers in Jesus and not “ the Jesus paul preached “


Paul Knew the true and only Jesus is why the spirit knew Paul , the seven men who were “ preaching the Jesus Paul preaches” were trying to not go to Jesus themself but using Paul’s name as intercessor between then and Jesus instead .

they knew paul , not the Jesus he knew and preached. Which tbey all are subject to Jesus and his word

“And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:28-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Note they wanted to exist in created form ( an active body ) even if it was in the form of swine.

I’m not saying I agree with what you are describing but just showing some examples that open the Eyes to many things we can’t know about unless we accept what’s being said in the scripture about it sort of the “ why the world
Is so wicked and so much evil happens to decent folks “ the spiritual war in heaven now resulted in corruption on earth of a spiritual nature and magnitude mankind being led astray by evil rather than saved by the holy spirit now also in the world through Christ Jesus

just to make the point spiritual possession and also spiritual warfare are real concepts biblically before and after the cross and are also taught in letters to the church and seen in acts also many times.

studying the scriptures offers a ton about evil spirits and tbier relstionship with mankind on earth

I completely agree that spiritual warfare is real and taught in scripture.

I agree also that demons exist, people in scripture were possessed and exorcisms did occur.

I think my issue lies within the gray area that scripture isn't clear on and people make whole doctrines out of it. For instance you never see where Christians are commanded to exorcise demons. It isn't in the gifts. We assume because people did during Jesus's ministry.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I think you're asking way too many questions for someone who takes their salvation seriously.
I think a serious christian would do his own investigation into spiritual things instead of asking people they don't know about things as serious as this.

Asking questions is a bad thing?

Asking other Christians is a bad thing also?

Not sure you saw the post I'm going to this church doing my own investigation as well.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

demons were created because of blasphemy? Interesting.

Not just blasphemy, but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

You give titles to many things that are not titled in Scripture, suggesting that you hold someone else's teaching above Scripture.

Demons didn't get "created" by any lies from Satan. I suggest you do some more homework.

The Three Lies themselves are the demons. That's the spirit of the devils. If you read the whole Bible, and I mean all of it, it's very easy to see. You will notice overtime the old serpent shows up in the Bible he always is repeating the same Three Lies.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

I will give you for the sake of the arguement what Paul said about women not teaching or being in a position of authority as while I do believe God will use who he chooses to use it is true that in scripture it is always men who are teachers or in a position of authority, however I have issue with your other poinnts as they are not in the new testament only the old and they are in the old covanent not the new one that is where i draw the line.
You seem to have a very submissive view for women as if they are a second class citizen a lesser being as if simmply because you are a male you somehow are a higher class of person than them you also seem to have very strict rules for what makes a church a good fittting church a very old fashioned view in fact it almost resembles Judaism perfectly

It's very specifically for the clergy how it is set up, again because besides their mundane tasks remember they and their wives are a living symbol of Christ and the Bride.

It is very important that women return to their God ordained roles. Not only is this clear in the Bible, but just look, they have tried to go against God's way in our dark and evil time today to great disaster and doing everything wrong. This is very important.

As for Judaism, no, it is wholly a lie. Judaism is closer to what these modern people are doing.

 

[CS1]

Not just blasphemy, but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin

I never heard of that.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

I never heard of that.

Jesus touches upon this when the Pharisees accuse him of casting out demons by the power of demons, which is of course total nonsense, how can Satan fight himself?

 

[CS1]

Jesus touches upon this when the Pharisees accuse him of casting out demons by the power of demons, which is of course total nonsense, how can Satan fight himself?

I'm just trying to understand how that is understood as demons blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was equating the work of the Holy that was done by the devil.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

I'm just trying to understand how that is understood as demons blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was equating the work of the Holy that was done by the devil.

The creation of the demons is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The spirit is the breath of life, every living creature was made by God and has the Breath of Life. In the beginning everything was good and true until the old serpent twisted and tormented and treacherously rent his own Breath of Life, literally the spirit, into the Three Lies in order to possess the woman to get her to eat the tree forbidden. This is the original sin and the unforgiveable sin. Satan is pretty much doomed for this.

 

[CS1]

The creation of the demons is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The spirit is the breath of life, every living creature was made by God and has the Breath of Life. In the beginning everything was good and true until the old serpent twisted and tormented and treacherously rent his own Breath of Life, literally the spirit, into the Three Lies in order to possess the woman to get her to eat the tree forbidden. This is the original sin and the unforgiveable sin. Satan is pretty much doomed for this.

Well friend I don't find anything in the word of God that says where demons came from. Jesus is the only person in the Word of God who used the term " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and it was in context to say the work of God was done by a devil.